Do you really understand Einstein's General Theory of Relativity?

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I mean, why objects when reaching the speed of light their space contracts and their time slows down to accomodate the fixed speed of light. It's all too confusing to me this time-space bending to accomodate fixed speed.

Anyone else finds it a bit hard to understand this almost century old theory?

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what's funny is most people use it everyday.

time moves slower for gps sats and the clocks inside them have to adjust constantly or it throws the system coordinates out of wack by 6 miles daily.

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Sure it is not the easiest thing for anyone to pick up on but through research I am sure anyone can eventually understand it.
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For the most part yes.
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Kind of. I am doing an Astronomy degree afterall. :cool:

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For the most part yes.Overlord93
why time needs to slowdown for an object when it's motion speeds up in space to accommodate for the fixed speed of light?

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Yeah, actually the Lorentz contraction can be derived with nothing more involved than high school trigonometry if you accept the premise that the speed of light is the same in all reference frames.
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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]For the most part yes.Mystery_Writer

why time needs to slowdown for an object when it's motion speeds up in space to accommodate for the fixed speed of light?

Now we are jumping steps. :P
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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]For the most part yes.Mystery_Writer

why time needs to slowdown for an object when it's motion speeds up in space to accommodate for the fixed speed of light?

I found this was a good, and relatively simple explanation of why this stuff happens.

Basically, (I'm not physicist so nobody get all mad at me) Light is always travveling at c regardless of how you look at it, even if you are moving or not, even if you travel at 50% c, you will still observe light to be going at c. The only explanation for this is time and space changing.

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Light != Time. Regardless how education trying to brainwash me, I simply don't believe it. magicalclick
Well, good, since that's not what any reputable instructor of physics would try to teach
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Light != Time. Regardless how education trying to brainwash me, I simply don't believe it. Time does even exists if I really want to be technical.magicalclick
sound = time though
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]Light != Time. Regardless how education trying to brainwash me, I simply don't believe it. magicalclick

Well, good, since that's not what any reputable instructor of physics would try to teach

of course. Knowing these truth cannot really solve practicle problems. It is better to have imaginary time for convinience.

Oh God, blood is shooting forth from my eyes
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what's funny is most people use it everyday.

time moves slower for gps sats and the clocks inside them have to adjust constantly or it throws the system coordinates out of wack by 6 miles daily.

Riverwolf007
You have a link for that? Satellites in geosynchronous or semisynchronous orbits don't move at the speed of light.
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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Well, good, since that's not what any reputable instructor of physics would try to teachxaos

of course. Knowing these truth cannot really solve practicle problems. It is better to have imaginary time for convinience.

Oh God, blood is shooting forth from my eyes

you should get that checked out i hope you have enough light to get to the doctor
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Can anything other than light travel at the speed of light?

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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Well, good, since that's not what any reputable instructor of physics would try to teachxaos

of course. Knowing these truth cannot really solve practicle problems. It is better to have imaginary time for convinience.

Oh God, blood is shooting forth from my eyes

You may have a carotid-cavernous sinus fistula.

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[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

what's funny is most people use it everyday.

time moves slower for gps sats and the clocks inside them have to adjust constantly or it throws the system coordinates out of wack by 6 miles daily.

magicalclick

You have a link for that? Satellites in geosynchronous orbit don't move at the speed of light.

don't move"close or at" speed of light. You don't need to move at speed of light to get those so-called, blah.

brah, i think satellites are moving at the speed of time, not light
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

what's funny is most people use it everyday.

time moves slower for gps sats and the clocks inside them have to adjust constantly or it throws the system coordinates out of wack by 6 miles daily.

topsemag55
You have a link for that? Satellites in geosynchronous orbit don't move at the speed of light.

Some quick Googling seems to bear it out; apparently the satellites use atomic clocks with nanosecond or smaller time resolution, and while geosynch orbit is a small fraction of c (geosync is about 2 mi/s), the cumulative effect with such sensitive clocks is significant and has to be corrected.
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Can anything other than light travel at the speed of light?

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Gluons and W and Z bosons
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Can anything other than light travel at the speed of light?

xaos
Gluons and W and Z bosons

The young, female Flash of the Tangent Universe is not a speedster, but instead "the first child born in space" and a being made up of and able to control light. As a side effect, she can move at the speed of light, which actually makes her faster than most of the other Post-Crisis Flashes, as only Wally West has ever survived a light-speed run without becoming trapped in the Speed Force.[15] for shame, xaos
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Can anything other than light travel at the speed of light?

xaos

Gluons and W and Z bosons

Despite my science background, I will admit I have no idea what those are.

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Can anything other than light travel at the speed of light?

sonicare

Gluons and W and Z bosons

Despite my science background, I will admit I have no idea what those are.

i've heard of bosons not gluons
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Can anything other than light travel at the speed of light?

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Gluons and W and Z bosons

The young, female Flash of the Tangent Universe is not a speedster, but instead "the first child born in space" and a being made up of and able to control light. As a side effect, she can move at the speed of light, which actually makes her faster than most of the other Post-Crisis Flashes, as only Wally West has ever survived a light-speed run without becoming trapped in the Speed Force.[15] for shame, xaos

Barry Allen (Flash) was wearing a device which generated a road for him to run on, and he ran at the speed of light alongside Superman, to reverse some disastrous time effects. What made it more difficult was they had to maintain that exact speed.
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When a bullet shot in your face 10 seconds before its light, yes, the bullet in your head is 10 seconds younger than the bullet you see 10 seconds later.magicalclick
what about a thrown rock
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

what's funny is most people use it everyday.

time moves slower for gps sats and the clocks inside them have to adjust constantly or it throws the system coordinates out of wack by 6 miles daily.

xaos

You have a link for that? Satellites in geosynchronous orbit don't move at the speed of light.

Some quick Googling seems to bear it out; apparently the satellites use atomic clocks with nanosecond or smaller time resolution, and while geosynch orbit is a small fraction of c (geosync is about 2 mi/s), the cumulative effect with such sensitive clocks is significant and has to be corrected.

in addition there is also a time difference from the top of a mountain and even for airline pilots.

anything with mass or speed affects time but you can never really notice it since it is in the billionths or trillionths of a second range.

gps sats are one of the few things that you actually have to correct for.

airline pilots end up with like an extra billionth of a second per year.

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[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

what's funny is most people use it everyday.

time moves slower for gps sats and the clocks inside them have to adjust constantly or it throws the system coordinates out of wack by 6 miles daily.

xaos
You have a link for that? Satellites in geosynchronous orbit don't move at the speed of light.

Some quick Googling seems to bear it out; apparently the satellites use atomic clocks with nanosecond or smaller time resolution, and while geosynch orbit is a small fraction of c (geosync is about 2 mi/s), the cumulative effect with such sensitive clocks is significant and has to be corrected.

Thanks, xaos - I knew if anyone would find an answer it would be you.:)
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Gluons and W and Z bosonsJandurin

Despite my science background, I will admit I have no idea what those are.

i've heard of bosons not gluons

I've heard of bosoms.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Despite my science background, I will admit I have no idea what those are.

sonicare

i've heard of bosons not gluons

I've heard of bosoms.

Gluons are bosons; vector bosons are generally the mediators of the fundamental forces. Photons convey electromagnetism, gluons convey the strong nuclear force and W and Z bosons convey the weak nuclear force. Also, I'll gluon your bosoms
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[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]For the most part yes.Overlord93

why time needs to slowdown for an object when it's motion speeds up in space to accommodate for the fixed speed of light?

I found this was a good, and relatively simple explanation of why this stuff happens.

Basically, (I'm not physicist so nobody get all mad at me) Light is always travveling at c regardless of how you look at it, even if you are moving or not, even if you travel at 50% c, you will still observe light to be going at c. The only explanation for this is time and space changing.

dude.. that was awesome explanation.. thank u so much!

and though it was really good explanation, I still don't quite get why is it when you're traveling at 99% the speed of light (C) and you launch another object at 99% C ahead of you, you'll see that object moving away from you at 99% the speed of light, yet an observer would see you moving at 99% C and the object you threw is at 99.9%?

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Also, I'll gluon your bosomsxaos
Pics or it didn't happen.:D
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

what's funny is most people use it everyday.

time moves slower for gps sats and the clocks inside them have to adjust constantly or it throws the system coordinates out of wack by 6 miles daily.

xaos

You have a link for that? Satellites in geosynchronous orbit don't move at the speed of light.

Some quick Googling seems to bear it out; apparently the satellites use atomic clocks with nanosecond or smaller time resolution, and while geosynch orbit is a small fraction of c (geosync is about 2 mi/s), the cumulative effect with such sensitive clocks is significant and has to be corrected.

GRAVITY affects speed of time as well. Time moves slower on the surface on earth then it does with a satilite in orbit.. Its so small though that you wouldn't notice it, but something like a gps would be thrown off in time.

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[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]For the most part yes.Overlord93

why time needs to slowdown for an object when it's motion speeds up in space to accommodate for the fixed speed of light?

I found this was a good, and relatively simple explanation of why this stuff happens.

Basically, (I'm not physicist so nobody get all mad at me) Light is always travveling at c regardless of how you look at it, even if you are moving or not, even if you travel at 50% c, you will still observe light to be going at c. The only explanation for this is time and space changing.

Thank you!
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Familiar with it.

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Lorentz contractionxaos

That thing when I first read the equation (ignored physics for the longest time, still kinda do) I nearly s*** myself.

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[QUOTE="xaos"]Lorentz contractioncoolbeans90

That thing when I first read the equation (ignored physics for the longest time, still kinda do) I nearly s*** myself.

Because of what it said? The transform itself isn't much more complex than the quadratic formula
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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

For the most part yes.Overlord93
why time needs to slowdown for an object when it's motion speeds up in space to accommodate for the fixed speed of light?

I found this was a good, and relatively simple explanation of why this stuff happens.

Basically, (I'm not physicist so nobody get all mad at me) Light is always travveling at c regardless of how you look at it, even if you are moving or not, even if you travel at 50% c, you will still observe light to be going at c. The only explanation for this is time and space changing.

I took that. I now understand perfectly.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Lorentz contractionxaos

That thing when I first read the equation (ignored physics for the longest time, still kinda do) I nearly s*** myself.

Because of what it said? The transform itself isn't much more complex than the quadratic formula

Yes, what it said. It was a p. simple equation which is why immediately the realized implications of it of made me realize that everything I had ever known up until that point was a lie. (sort of)

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I know that at lightspeed, everything slows down for you. I know that if you had a train traveling at lightspeed, then time would move much slower in the train and that when it finally stopped, the world outside would be incredibly different and older. Something like that, I love physics, but its hard to remember the exact math behind it when I've just had a few.

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Used too when I took physics, its been too long.
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I mean, why objects when reaching the speed of light their space contracts and their time slows down to accomodate the fixed speed of light. It's all too confusing to me this time-space bending to accomodate fixed speed.

Anyone else finds it a bit hard to understand this almost century old theory?

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i dont know but i have my own theory, that the speed of mind is faster than light, the brain can go faster than light by one thought, "tries it" i just went 4 trillion billion zillion miles away and im sure the speed of light didnt get there yet........thoughts? by the way its a serious theory so anyone here want to try and debunk it
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i dont know but i have my own theory, that the speed of mind is faster than light, the brain can go faster than light by one thought, "tries it" i just went 4 trillion billion zillion miles away and im sure the speed of light didnt get there yet........thoughts? by the way its a serious theory so anyone here want to try and debunk itcee1gee

I feel bad for anyone who tries, because even though it is serious it can't be taken seriously.

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It's a very complicated mathematical theory so no I don't think I understand it at all. I'm a complete failure in mathematics. You need to master Riemannian/differential geometry quite well in order for you to understand it deeply.

There is another very complicated mathematical theory called Quantum Field Theory which I also don't understand. Both of these theories when combined together lead to an even more complicated mathematical theories called Quantum Gravity theories, String Theory being one of them. But then again you need to be very strong and talented in mathematical ability in order to understand Superstring Theory, Loop quantum gravity etc...

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"]i dont know but i have my own theory, that the speed of mind is faster than light, the brain can go faster than light by one thought, "tries it" i just went 4 trillion billion zillion miles away and im sure the speed of light didnt get there yet........thoughts? by the way its a serious theory so anyone here want to try and debunk itcoolbeans90

I feel bad for anyone who tries, because even though it is serious it can't be taken seriously.

whys that... can you explain why it cant be taken seriously