Do you think Democracy is messed up?

Just last night, I heard that Paris Hilton got out of jail after only 3 days, when she was intended to stay 2 weeks, because of a "medical condition". I then realised that any celebrity can get that done, and thus made me realise how much democracy can be exploited.

Other cases are like in legal situations, when some people can win millions of dollars in "damages" if the smallest thing happens to them. I saw in the film "Super Size Me" that some girls in America sued Mc Donald's for millions for "making them fat"!

Also, when it comes to free speech, people go too far sometimes. Some people can preach hate, or just spend their time talking about anything shocking for "shock value". I'm tired of it. Democracy's founding fathers must really be turning in their graves.

I think that mankind generally takes democracy and freedom for granted.

What do you think?

It's messed up in the exploitation, but the idea is great.

Once you stop all this rent a crowd rubbish with riots and what not at summits, and celebrities getting equal treatment in everything...then...only then is democracy ideal and no longer messed up. 

The United States is a constitutional republic...not a democracy...

People need to stop calling it a democracy.  It pisses me off. 

I think it's a great but highly flawed system. Swannzie

Do you have problems with the legal system...or with democracy? Your thread suggests more of an issue with the legal system then anything else...funkadelichika

Well, since the legal system is the most exploited aspect of it, the legal system in particular, but also general democracy exploitation.

[QUOTE="Swannzie"]I think it's a great but highly flawed system. funkadelichika

Because I think the ideology of it is great, but like all other forms of government systems it has it's drawbacks.

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"]Do you have problems with the legal system...or with democracy? Your thread suggests more of an issue with the legal system then anything else...Andonio

Well, since the legal system is the most exploited aspect of it, the legal system in particular, but also general democracy exploitation.

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"][QUOTE="Swannzie"]I think it's a great but highly flawed system. Swannzie

Because I think the ideology of it is great, but like all other forms of government systems it has it's drawbacks.

Democracy isnt messed up, its just that true democracy does not exist.Bourbons3

Well, I'm talking about countries that are self-proclaimed "democratic".

And yes, true democracy doesn't really exist, but "real democracy" (complete people power), would be......anarchy.

"Real" democracy isn't anarchy, its the system of the ancient Greeks like Plato.  But your right when you say it can't exist on a large scale because it requires the participation of all citizens in the process of government.

As a point of interest, How many of you of voting age plan to vote next year?

 I then realised that any celebrity can get that done, and thus made me realise how much democracy can be exploited.

Other cases are like in legal situations, when some people can win millions of dollars in "damages" if the smallest thing happens to them. I saw in the film "Super Size Me" that some girls in America sued Mc Donald's for millions for "making them fat"!

Also, when it comes to free speech, people go too far sometimes. Some people can preach hate, or just spend their time talking about anything shocking for "shock value". I'm tired of it. Democracy's founding fathers must really be turning in their graves.

I think that mankind generally takes democracy and freedom for granted.

What do you think?

 

Andonio

Your first two arguments are against the legal system...not democracy. 

As for free speech...it only works if everyone is allowed free speech.  You are advocating censoring ideas you don't agree with. 

"There are two different America's"

It's not so much the system, its some of the people in it.

There is a huge difference between a flawed legal system and a democratic government, anyway i think democracy is fantastic, and there is a theory out there that if every country in the world was democratic there would never be a need for war, and it actually makes some senseg-unit248

I don't see how it makes sense considering some of the most war like countries are democracies.

"There are two different America's"

It's not so much the system, its some of the people in it. quadraleap

I worry about myself, those I care about and things I can make a difference in. double_decker

If everyone thought like that nothing would ever be changed.:roll:

Ummm... What political system is not messed up? That includes anarchy, everyone is. wemhim

It's human nature rather then any of the systems that's messed up. There is always going to be people who enjoying killing, exploiting, stealing, looking down on others ect. As well as people who think there beliefs are superior and want other people to share those beliefs.

[QUOTE="g-unit248"]There is a huge difference between a flawed legal system and a democratic government, anyway i think democracy is fantastic, and there is a theory out there that if every country in the world was democratic there would never be a need for war, and it actually makes some senseIdonomeus

I don't see how it makes sense considering some of the most war like countries are democracies.

the argument goes pretty deep, but depending on your definition of democracy you could say that minus civil wars, 2 truly democratic countries have never gone to war against each other

The United States is a constitutional republic...not a democracy...

People need to stop calling it a democracy.  It pisses me off. 

 

bebopoutlaw3gun

And her leaving jail wouldn't be a problem with democracy since not everyone gets a say in her sentence. It would be a problem with the legal system and justice.

Democracy is the best this world has to offer.  Show me anything better.... communism?  I didn't think so.
Viedric

[QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
MRZA

Name a communist country YOU would like to live in. 

[QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]

The United States is a constitutional republic...not a democracy...

People need to stop calling it a democracy.  It pisses me off. 

 

cpo335

It's a democracy.

you guys are both right, specifically we are probably best described as a const. republic, however, that label falls under the specifics of democracy

[QUOTE="MRZA"]

[QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
Viedric

Name a communist country YOU would like to live in. 

CUBA!!! 

[QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]

The United States is a constitutional republic...not a democracy...

People need to stop calling it a democracy. It pisses me off.

 

cpo335

And her leaving jail wouldn't be a problem with democracy since not everyone gets a say in her sentence. It would be a problem with the legal system and justice.

Actually Paris was ordered back. 

"Hours after she was sent home under house arrest Thursday for an undisclosed medical condition, the judge who put her in jail for violating her reckless-driving probation ordered her into court to decide if she should go back behind bars." -FoxNews

Democracy is the best this world has to offer.  Show me anything better.... communism?  I didn't think so.
Viedric

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]

The United States is a constitutional republic...not a democracy...

People need to stop calling it a democracy. It pisses me off.

 

thirstychainsaw

And her leaving jail wouldn't be a problem with democracy since not everyone gets a say in her sentence. It would be a problem with the legal system and justice.

Actually Paris was ordered back. 

"Hours after she was sent home under house arrest Thursday for an undisclosed medical condition, the judge who put her in jail for violating her reckless-driving probation ordered her into court to decide if she should go back behind bars." -FoxNews

[QUOTE="Viedric"][QUOTE="MRZA"]

[QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
MRZA

Name a communist country YOU would like to live in.

CUBA!!!

*Pictures the Robot Chicken episode with Castro in it... "I love doing that"*

No... 

[QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
martin_f

People who actually want anarchy are retarded teens who have no idea what it actually means.  Think about it, no police, no education, no health care, no job security, NOTHING! 

[QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
Viedric

People who actually want anarchy are retarded teens who have no idea what it actually means.  Think about it, no police, no education, no health care, no job security, NOTHING! 

[QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
Viedric

People who actually want anarchy are retarded teens who have no idea what it actually means. Think about it, no police, no education, no health care, no job security, NOTHING!

To be honest, if there was no government some mob or gang boss would organize a large group of people into an armed force and just set up a dictatorship. 

[QUOTE="MRZA"][QUOTE="Viedric"][QUOTE="MRZA"]

[QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
Viedric

Name a communist country YOU would like to live in.

CUBA!!!

*Pictures the Robot Chicken episode with Castro in it... "I love doing that"*

No... 

[QUOTE="Viedric"]

[QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Viedric"]Democracy is the best this world has to offer. Show me anything better.... communism? I didn't think so.
MRZA

People who actually want anarchy are retarded teens who have no idea what it actually means. Think about it, no police, no education, no health care, no job security, NOTHING!

Yea, all those murderers and rapists in prison will have freedom too.