Do you think it's right women and children get to leave first in a disaster??

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#1 joshrocks2245
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In that hudson plane crash women and children got to leave first, I think that is unfair. Everyone thinks all men are strong and can protect everyone, I'm more skinny then most people but do I still have to help people because I'm a man??

I don't think it's right how women and children get to leave first, why would I stay in a disaster and risk my own life?? I don't find anything wrong with being selfish. We are born into this world to protect our selves, we take care of our selves, so why should we risk our lives to help other people who wouldn't help us??

If I am in a disaster I will leave first because I can't help people, thats not my fault but it's not likely I would be able to lift anyone to safety.

What about if I am in a car accident with a women?? Will the women be sent to the hospital before I am?? If thats so then whats the point of ever taking care of my self if people think women are more important?

So do you think people should stop saying "women and children first"?

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#2 Brainkiller05
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Children should go first, out of men and women it should be survival of the fittest! fight to the death etc.

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#3 TR800
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Children should go first but men and women should both be treated the same.
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#4 cu_be_cie
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The mentality came from the idea that women and children are weaker and must be protected before a man is protected.

It's a dumb sexist stereotype.

It's sexist because it tells women they are weak.

And it's sexist because it makes men have to suffer a hardship just for being a man.

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#5 Baconbits2004
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I think the men and women should try and help get the kids to safety, and do whatever is in their power to do so.
Unfortunately it rarely happens that way, and most people just panic in times of crisis.
But as for saying women and children first, it should simply be "children first" since "Chivalry is dead".

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#7 BobbyTurkalino
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I dont mind saving the women and children first, but if they're slow I dont mind shoving them to make them go faster.
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#8 Colin1192
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Everyone for themselves.

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#9 xxxAdvocatexxx
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I think Children and their mothers should leave first. And i'm talking about children under twelve.

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#10 clembo1990
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Men first, more likely to survive.
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#11 shinian
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It's okey for children.

Not okey for women - it's sexist :P

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#12 Tht1Guy7780
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Oh my god.....

Children get to leave first because theres such a thing as the future. ya know? Children are the future and all that stuff

When a man get pregnant and have babies them men and women will be able to leave downed planes/collapsing buildings/titanic first. common sense guys, common sense.

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#13 wallymartin
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Children should go first but men and women should both be treated the same.TR800

What are the children to do after their parents die? You have to send at least one with them.

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#14 BiancaDK
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I think women and children first is perfectly fair. ^o^
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i think the children should get out first and everybody else should get out before me and Bono so nobody has to see what I do to him

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Oh my god.....

Children get to leave first because theres such a thing as the future. ya know? Children are the future and all that stuff

When a man get pregnant and have babies them men and women will be able to leave downed planes/collapsing buildings/titanic first. common sense guys, common sense.

Tht1Guy7780

So if a women is in a disaster and leaves first, what is she gonna do? Is she going to go make babies somewhere??

A plane crashing into the water isn't going to kill 6 billion people, so theres no reason for a women to go first. They aren't weak either.

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#17 markop2003
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I don't think there is any official rule saying women and children go first. Though in the case of a disaster i wouldn't complain against them going first.
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#18 cu_be_cie
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Men first, more likely to survive.clembo1990

Nice.

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#19 thattotally
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No, it's just children and the elderly now isn't it? That's what I see at least. Is that Hudson crash from a few months back?

In any case, men have 30% more muscle mass than women, so yes we are indeed stronger. It is possible for a woman to beat up a man or something, but we have more potential to gain stronger muscles, or something to that effect.

Regardless of how you look at it, it's still cowardly to want to sacrifice others for yourself. It begs the question, why anyone is even living in this world if they don't have anything they care about? I'd give my life to ensure that my family is safe in a disaster. There is selfishness in wishing my family's safety before others, but I guess I'm selfish as well, and also have some points wrong.

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#20 Tht1Guy7780
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[QUOTE="Tht1Guy7780"]

Oh my god.....

Children get to leave first because theres such a thing as the future. ya know? Children are the future and all that stuff

When a man get pregnant and have babies them men and women will be able to leave downed planes/collapsing buildings/titanic first. common sense guys, common sense.

joshrocks2245

So if a women is in a disaster and leaves first, what is she gonna do? Is she going to go make babies somewhere??

A plane crashing into the water isn't going to kill 6 billion people, so theres no reason for a women to go first. They aren't weak either.

There human beings. Some may go procreate. Its called keeping the population alive, and while that sounds ridiculous since the population is so large if you where a real man you would have the courage to allow the ladies and the children go first. Grow up buddy.

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#21 Treflis
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I don't see a problem with it. Children should of course go first, regardless of how the adults look.
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#22 Montaya
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Wikipedia doesnt have much to say on the matter either and its even open for edit which makes it unreliable. It could be interpretted that women are usually responsibile to take care of children they have and ever since boats have been invented it can be sayed that women usually were stuck with children and no father because of the father leaving, dieing in any of the major wars since then, being drafted or dieing of disease or age since women have much higher mortality rates. Especially these days since marriage is so low its probable that the women have children directly responsible for back home rather then men so it gives them priority. Then on the other hand, in any scenario as a ship is at its brink or an aircraft, the men have the better chance of saving themselves at the end because they most likely have more strength and guts just from how they were grown up in contrast to women.

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#23 Baconbits2004
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Oh my god.....

Children get to leave first because theres such a thing as the future. ya know? Children are the future and all that stuff

When a man get pregnant and have babies them men and women will be able to leave downed planes/collapsing buildings/titanic first. common sense guys, common sense.

Tht1Guy7780
umn....? that logic might make sense with.. animals who have muultiple sex partners. but, most people who plan on having children at least try and stay monogamous. I.E one male, one female. We aren't lions, or something where one male goes off and impregnates multiple females. O_o
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#24 Makemap
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How about children first and men and women same time. This ain't the 60's man.

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#25 BiancaDK
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How about children first and men and women same time. This ain't the 60's man.

Makemap
Nah. Lets stick to children and women first, shall we? =]
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#26 Ikouze
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It's because Children will grow up to lead this world and they need to live but I don't know about the women...

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#27 Baconbits2004
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[QUOTE="Makemap"]

How about children first and men and women same time. This ain't the 60's man.

BiancaDK
Nah. Lets stick to children and women first, shall we? =]

I've always been a fan of female-chivalry... how about you hold my hand and help carry me to safety? :oops:
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#28 OnlyKurial
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Men offer women to go first. Women offer children to go first.

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#29 markop2003
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It's because Children will grow up to lead this world and they need to live but I don't know about the women...

Ikouze
Maybe it's the same as the real reason for "ladies first" ;)
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#30 aaronmullan
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Woman = vital part in baby making Children = will be a vital part in baby making What have we learned today, folks?
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#31 BiancaDK
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"] I've always been a fan of female-chivalry... how about you hold my hand and help carry me to safety? :oops:

I dont have the same muscle mass as you do, you have roughly 33% more than me. How about you hold MY hand and carry ME to safety, big guy? =]
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#32 ganon92
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You know political correctness is going too far when this kind of mannerism is deemed 'sexist'.

I doubt women can complain; and I find that being a man you should act as the protector, as it has always been and sacrifice yourself if necessary for your family. I have no issue with this.

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#33 Tht1Guy7780
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You know political correctness is going too far when this kind of mannerism is deemed 'sexist'.

I doubt women can complain; and I find that being a man you should act as the protector, as it has always been and sacrifice yourself if necessary for your family. I have no issue with this.

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This. Dont be cowards guys!

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#34 Baconbits2004
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"] I've always been a fan of female-chivalry... how about you hold my hand and help carry me to safety? :oops:BiancaDK
I dont have the same muscle mass as you do, you have roughly 33% more than me. How about you hold MY hand and carry ME to safety, big guy? =]

Nah, I'm more of a I love hello kitty type. the only way I'd be carrying you, is if you hopped on my back, and dangled a picture of her in front of me :P

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#35 Wren28
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I think some of it dates back to the days when the women looked after the children and the men had nothing to do with it...so if a family were on board a ship (ie Titanic) and it was sinking, they would get the women and the children off because, as previously mentioned, children are the future and they need their mothers to look after them. Also, back then, women were viewed as the weaker gender. And I believe that notion of women and children first has stayed.

Oh, and I'm fairly certain the notion was around before Titanic, I just used that as a well known example.

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#36 Baconbits2004
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Woman = vital part in baby making Children = will be a vital part in baby making What have we learned today, folks?

That most women prefer to be monogamous anyways, so it's a moot point? :?
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#37 Shrapnel99
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Children should go first, but if I remember correctly, women were fighting for a thing called EQUAL rights not too long ago, not we get out first rights.

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Woman = vital part in baby making Children = will be a vital part in baby making What have we learned today, folks?Baconbits2004
That most women prefer to be monogamous anyways, so it's a moot point? :?

Thw whole point is taht if its a trrible catastrophie the women will live and if it happens some men will die. Some women move on and start new relationships, and have children.

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#39 XturnalS
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I agree 100% with TC.

If women are truely my equal (which I believe) then they should be treated the same as me no exceptions.

Its the same with the man being the "gentlemen" and having to be chilvirous for the sake of being a "man". If your my equal then you can open your own door, pay for your own meal, and other **** like that.

I shouldn't have to do it because I'm a "man" and your a woman. Unless your admitting that I am somehow superior to you and you cannot do it for yourself. Which if that is the case then please tell me and I'll gladly open the door for you as your superior :)

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#40 msudude211
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Children should go first, but there shouldn't be a set rule about men and women. Unless the woman's pregnant, I guess. :P
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Nah, I'm more of a I love hello kitty type. the only way I'd be carrying you, is if you hopped on my back, and dangled a picture of her in front of me :PBaconbits2004
haha ill keep that in mind when the foundations of gamespot begin to crumble and collapse. =) *saves picture of hello kitty in avatar folder for acute use*
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Woman = vital part in baby making Children = will be a vital part in baby making What have we learned today, folks?Tht1Guy7780

That most women prefer to be monogamous anyways, so it's a moot point? :?

Thw whole point is taht if its a trrible catastrophie the women will live and if it happens some men will die. Some women move on and start new relationships, and have children.

The whole point of monogamy is two people per relationship. if you want breeding, then it's one male and one female. O_o And then.. what of adoption? what if a gay couple adopted a kid together, should they stay on board just because they're male? what if a person is a lesbian? what if a female had her tubes tied?
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#43 cu_be_cie
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Adults are former-children.

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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]Nah, I'm more of a I love hello kitty type. the only way I'd be carrying you, is if you hopped on my back, and dangled a picture of her in front of me :PBiancaDK
haha ill keep that in mind when the foundations of gamespot begin to crumble and collapse. =) *saves picture of hello kitty in avatar folder for acute use*

You can always use my special folder. ;) http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v187/ssj4_2004/hello%20kitty/?start=all
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[QUOTE="Tht1Guy7780"]

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"] That most women prefer to be monogamous anyways, so it's a moot point? :?Baconbits2004

Thw whole point is taht if its a trrible catastrophie the women will live and if it happens some men will die. Some women move on and start new relationships, and have children.

The whole point of monogamy is two people per relationship. if you want breeding, then it's one male and one female. O_o And then.. what of adoption? what if a gay couple adopted a kid together, should they stay on board just because they're male? what if a person is a lesbian? what if a female had her tubes tied?

I dont know how to answer that. I just know it would be the right thing to do to allow the womena nd children to get off first. Any real man would do that and if you wouldnt your a coward, or you where on the boat or plane by yourself.

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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"] You can always use my special folder. ;) http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v187/ssj4_2004/hello%20kitty/?start=all

Woah! Ive struck gold haha =] I love the "Luke i am your mother" picture. My oh my =d
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#47 BayAreaX
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men and children
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"][QUOTE="Tht1Guy7780"]

Thw whole point is taht if its a trrible catastrophie the women will live and if it happens some men will die. Some women move on and start new relationships, and have children.

Tht1Guy7780

The whole point of monogamy is two people per relationship. if you want breeding, then it's one male and one female. O_o And then.. what of adoption? what if a gay couple adopted a kid together, should they stay on board just because they're male? what if a person is a lesbian? what if a female had her tubes tied?

I dont know how to answer that. I just know it would be the right thing to do to allow the womena nd children to get off first. Any real man would do that and if you wouldnt your a coward, or you where on the boat or plane by yourself.

*cough* If I were on a plane with... my girlfriend for example. I would do my best to stay with her, and try and get the both of us to safety. I would not just abandon her, as I know she would try to the best of her power to save me. I can't really do that now can I, if they separate us by gender somewhere along the line? If they separate us, there's more of a chance that we'll be split up, and then what happens to breeding?
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#49 muller39
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children should def go first but men and women should be treated equal because isnt that what they have been fighting for EQUAL RIGHTS

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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] Woah! Ive struck gold haha =] I love the "Luke i am your mother" picture. My oh my =d

haha, glad someone else l iked it. Everyone just sorta... called me weird when I showed them. :?