Do you think the Alien and Predator Franchise can still be saved?

I believe they can be if they will DO IT RIGHT. Not going back to see how it all started. 2 set of directors had to completely destroy these movies that fans have been wanting to come out forever. It all should have started in Space and that's where it should have stayed. Just like the games and the comics, in space is where it belonged. Marines, Predators and Aliens clashing. That's my opinion, what is yours?

Nook dem aliens!

I don't either franchise can be saved at all

I think it can be saved.

The first AvP was pretty good

The second....we dont speak of that!

In the third, I would really like to see it focus around the Weyland-Yutani corporation. In today's political/economic climate, a lot of good commentary can be said in such a film. I imagine it taking place in the near future, like 2050 or something, and they have like a research base or something or other Idunno, but you get my point. There could be a lot of good corporate intrigue, espionage, humans backstabbing humans, humans fighting aliens, aliens fighting predator, predator fighting aliens, etc, etc.

Well the fact that both creatures are aliens and preditors.... you get what I'm saying, right? It's stupid.

i demand predator Vs t1000 /t800..

i demand predator Vs t1000 /t800..

VaguelyTagged

I believe they can be if they will DO IT RIGHT. Not going back to see how it all started. 2 set of directors had to completely destroy these movies that fans have been wanting to come out forever. It all should have started in Space and that's where it should have stayed. Just like the games and the comics, in space is where it belonged. Marines, Predators and Aliens clashing. That's my opinion, what is yours?

Failed2Live

Well, Ridley Scott is directing another Alien movie, and Robert Rodriguez is directing another Predator movie. So...we'll see.

But I have my doubts. Rodriguez's "Predators" (essentially Predator 3) probably has a better chance of reviving that franchise, since I've always thought that the Predator movies were sort of cheesy anyway. Yes, yes, I know. Predator was a classic, and was 100% awesome. Still, as awesome as it was, there was a certain level of cheese in that movie that works in the favor of future movies in the series.

But Scott's Alien movie is another matter. First off, it's a prequel to Alien. Which is sketchy enough. Why there's any need for an Alien Prequel is anyone's guess. But I just don't see it telling any story that needs to be told. It's not going to be advancing the story forward, it's wallowing in the past. Furthermore, this runs the risk of the Alien Prequel answering questions that have no business being answered. Questions that could ruin the entire "mythology" of the series. And since it's being handled by the director of the original Alien, expectations are going to be so high that it will likely fail to deliver. I'm remaining hopefully optimistic about this movie ONLY because Ridley Scott is directing it, but a part of me thinks that it will likely be the movie to kill off the Alien franchise once and for all. If Ridley Scott can't save the franchise, then it's better off being left dead. If this movie flops, then I hope that no one even ATTEMPTS to make another Alien movie. Because the glory days have been gone for more than 20 years now. Why people are even still bothering with Aliens, I don't know. But if this movie flops, then everyone needs to stop disturbing the corpse of the Alien series, and let this thing rest in peace.

[QUOTE="Failed2Live"]

I believe they can be if they will DO IT RIGHT. Not going back to see how it all started. 2 set of directors had to completely destroy these movies that fans have been wanting to come out forever. It all should have started in Space and that's where it should have stayed. Just like the games and the comics, in space is where it belonged. Marines, Predators and Aliens clashing. That's my opinion, what is yours?

MrGeezer

Well, Ridley Scott is directing another Alien movie, and Robert Rodriguez is directing another Predator movie. So...we'll see.

But I have my doubts. Rodriguez's "Predators" (essentially Predator 3) probably has a better chance of reviving that franchise, since I've always thought that the Predator movies were sort of cheesy anyway. Yes, yes, I know. Predator was a classic, and was 100% awesome. Still, as awesome as it was, there was a certain level of cheese in that movie that works in the favor of future movies in the series.

But Scott's Alien movie is another matter. First off, it's a prequel to Alien. Which is sketchy enough. Why there's any need for an Alien Prequel is anyone's guess. But I just don't see it telling any story that needs to be told. It's not going to be advancing the story forward, it's wallowing in the past. Furthermore, this runs the risk of the Alien Prequel answering questions that have no business being answered. Questions that could ruin the entire "mythology" of the series. And since it's being handled by the director of the original Alien, expectations are going to be so high that it will likely fail to deliver. I'm remaining hopefully optimistic about this movie ONLY because Ridley Scott is directing it, but a part of me thinks that it will likely be the movie to kill off the Alien franchise once and for all. If Ridley Scott can't save the franchise, then it's better off being left dead. If this movie flops, then I hope that no one even ATTEMPTS to make another Alien movie. Because the glory days have been gone for more than 20 years now. Why people are even still bothering with Aliens, I don't know. But if this movie flops, then everyone needs to stop disturbing the corpse of the Alien series, and let this thing rest in peace.

[QUOTE="Failed2Live"]

I believe they can be if they will DO IT RIGHT. Not going back to see how it all started. 2 set of directors had to completely destroy these movies that fans have been wanting to come out forever. It all should have started in Space and that's where it should have stayed. Just like the games and the comics, in space is where it belonged. Marines, Predators and Aliens clashing. That's my opinion, what is yours?

MrGeezer

Well, Ridley Scott is directing another Alien movie, and Robert Rodriguez is directing another Predator movie. So...we'll see.

But I have my doubts. Rodriguez's "Predators" (essentially Predator 3) probably has a better chance of reviving that franchise, since I've always thought that the Predator movies were sort of cheesy anyway. Yes, yes, I know. Predator was a classic, and was 100% awesome. Still, as awesome as it was, there was a certain level of cheese in that movie that works in the favor of future movies in the series.

But Scott's Alien movie is another matter. First off, it's a prequel to Alien. Which is sketchy enough. Why there's any need for an Alien Prequel is anyone's guess. But I just don't see it telling any story that needs to be told. It's not going to be advancing the story forward, it's wallowing in the past. Furthermore, this runs the risk of the Alien Prequel answering questions that have no business being answered. Questions that could ruin the entire "mythology" of the series. And since it's being handled by the director of the original Alien, expectations are going to be so high that it will likely fail to deliver. I'm remaining hopefully optimistic about this movie ONLY because Ridley Scott is directing it, but a part of me thinks that it will likely be the movie to kill off the Alien franchise once and for all. If Ridley Scott can't save the franchise, then it's better off being left dead. If this movie flops, then I hope that no one even ATTEMPTS to make another Alien movie. Because the glory days have been gone for more than 20 years now. Why people are even still bothering with Aliens, I don't know. But if this movie flops, then everyone needs to stop disturbing the corpse of the Alien series, and let this thing rest in peace.

I have some of the Comics you are talking about. I think they need to stick more closely to the source material that has already been written for the story of what goes on with the Alien/Predator Universe. I don't think they really could go wrong with that.And I do agree with Mr. Geezer, if they can't pull it off they just need to leave it alone. Alien 3 andResurrection where awful films. I mean they kind of have their place and I do watch them for kicks but I just think there was more of a story to be told Hollywood trying to make a blockbuster and getting more money...I loved Predator though, (The first one anyways, the second one was untastefully violent.) I think they have something with what I read up on it. They might even have Arnold and Danny do cameo rolls.

If they follow a similar path to the video games avp1 and 2 then the franchise can be saved. We NEED battle hardened space marines to fight the alien threat. Not some country folk that have no clue on whats going on and would **** their pants if they actually realized if aliens existed.. thats better left to the zombie movies.

Not Predator I don't think. The whole point of that movie was that Arnold was the only man that could out-hunt and basically out-man the predator. As with all Schwarzenegger movies, they don't work with anyone other than him.F1_2004

The point here is that Arnold was the underdog. That he was the weak-ass sissy. For all of his fame as the badass action star, the Predator slapped him around as if he were Raggedy Ann.

Arnold's strength and power were worthless. He DIDN'T "out man" the Predator. He won because he knew he was outmatched, and was clever enough to TRICK the Predator.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Not Predator I don't think. The whole point of that movie was that Arnold was the only man that could out-hunt and basically out-man the predator. As with all Schwarzenegger movies, they don't work with anyone other than him.MrGeezer

The point here is that Arnold was the underdog. That he was the weak-ass sissy. For all of his fame as the badass action star, the Predator slapped him around as if he were Raggedy Ann.

Arnold's strength and power were worthless. He DIDN'T "out man" the Predator. He won because he knew he was outmatched, and was clever enough to TRICK the Predator.

If they make individual films probably. They are making another Predator with Adrien Brody so we'll see how that goes.

If they make individual films probably. They are making another Predator with Adrien Brody so we'll see how that goes.

Raikoh_

IMO he is an awful actor. And he looks like a goon with that huge nose of his.

I would not care.

Together? No. That will always suck as anything more than a once popular videogame. The films were horribly constructed cash-ins.

Separately. Predator is a possibility, that isn't to say that it is a sure fire thing. Predator 2 is a poor effort, but it wasn't a very well thought out sequel, everything that the first succeeded in was soulless and lacking. With the correct writers, and director, it could work again because it has no weight in a single protagonist.

Alien on the other hand is a different bag. Alien is a better franchise with more mileage than Predator. I mean, it has more possibilities because of its setting as well as its species. However, it is very easy to fall into a trap and get it wrong whereby a filmmaker can miss read what was good about the previous efforts. Hence Resurrection. Of course, an Alien film without Ripley may be destined to failure, but it could also be a breath of fresh air with appropriately developed characters (like the Colonial marines of Aliens).

But the problem with all franchises is that they rest on the popularity of the previous ones and just aim to give more of the same which doesn't invigorate the viewer. I mean, it doesn't cheapen the quality of the originals, but it does add things that don't need to be there. A needless continuation. The death of Ripley was a perfect place to end the Alien franchise, but it was revived, why? Money. It didn't do anything different or exciting but rather retread old ground and was ultimately a failure because it lacked ideas. Which is what the salvation of any franchise rests on. Fresh ideas.

Together? No. That will always suck as anything more than a once popular videogame. The films were horribly constructed cash-ins.

Separately. Predator is a possibility, that isn't to say that it is a sure fire thing. Predator 2 is a poor effort, but it wasn't a very well thought out sequel, everything that the first succeeded in was soulless and lacking. With the correct writers, and director, it could work again because it has no weight in a single protagonist.

Alien on the other hand is a different bag. Alien is a better franchise with more mileage than Predator. I mean, it has more possibilities because of its setting as well as its species. However, it is very easy to fall into a trap and get it wrong whereby a filmmaker can miss read what was good about the previous efforts. Hence Resurrection. Of course, an Alien film without Ripley may be destined to failure, but it could also be a breath of fresh air with appropriately developed characters (like the Colonial marines of Aliens).

But the problem with all franchises is that they rest on the popularity of the previous ones and just aim to give more of the same which doesn't invigorate the viewer. I mean, it doesn't cheapen the quality of the originals, but it does add things that don't need to be there. A needless continuation. The death of Ripley was a perfect place to end the Alien franchise, but it was revived, why? Money. It didn't do anything different or exciting but rather retread old ground and was ultimately a failure because it lacked ideas. Which is what the salvation of any franchise rests on. Fresh ideas.

Samwel_X

Together? No. That will always suck as anything more than a once popular videogame. The films were horribly constructed cash-ins.

Separately. Predator is a possibility, that isn't to say that it is a sure fire thing. Predator 2 is a poor effort, but it wasn't a very well thought out sequel, everything that the first succeeded in was soulless and lacking. With the correct writers, and director, it could work again because it has no weight in a single protagonist.

Alien on the other hand is a different bag. Alien is a better franchise with more mileage than Predator. I mean, it has more possibilities because of its setting as well as its species. However, it is very easy to fall into a trap and get it wrong whereby a filmmaker can miss read what was good about the previous efforts. Hence Resurrection. Of course, an Alien film without Ripley may be destined to failure, but it could also be a breath of fresh air with appropriately developed characters (like the Colonial marines of Aliens).

But the problem with all franchises is that they rest on the popularity of the previous ones and just aim to give more of the same which doesn't invigorate the viewer. I mean, it doesn't cheapen the quality of the originals, but it does add things that don't need to be there. A needless continuation. The death of Ripley was a perfect place to end the Alien franchise, but it was revived, why? Money. It didn't do anything different or exciting but rather retread old ground and was ultimately a failure because it lacked ideas. Which is what the salvation of any franchise rests on. Fresh ideas.

Samwel_X

Couldn't agree more, although I think the Predator series has more to offer to this "generation" of moviegoers. If Scott does make a prequel to Alien, I would hope it follows the structure and pace of the original but sadly, I think it would be lost on the attention spans of today's audience. People can't even sit for 90 minutes in a mindless comedy without whipping out there cell phones to text, so I see no hope in a slow, methodical thriller making any dent in the market.

if you actually have the compassion and talent for the property and good writing, yes anything can happen.

sad thing is almost no one is like that

i am pretty happy that robert rodriguez is working on predators, hes a good director

and i would give anything to have james cameron and ridley scott work together on an Alien movie

if you actually have the compassion and talent for the property and good writing, yes anything can happen.

sad thing is almost no one is like that

i am pretty happy that robert rodriguez is working on predators, hes a good director

and i would give anything to have james cameron and ridley scott work together on an Alien movie

legend26

The only thing that could save AvP (which has always been nothing but garbage) is 10+ years without any installments, and then a reboot with a young inspired indie-ish director who hates everything 'hollywood'.

The only thing that could save AvP (which has always been nothing but garbage) is 10+ years without any installments, and then a reboot with a young inspired indie-ish director who hates everything 'hollywood'.

TommyCasual

maybe.

They're both dead, sorry. :)

Given the right director and script, just about any movie can be executed well.

I still have faith that they'll make some decent Predator and Alien movies. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon, but if somebody steps up to the plate and makes a good one, I'll watch it. Alien and Aliens were great movies, 3 and 4 both sucked. Predator was good and Predator 2 was meh. It's very hard to revive a series thats been dead for so long and also didn't have a very good last film.

As for AVP, it's kinda the same deal. If there was a huge demand for a fantastic AVP movie, they would do everything in their power to do it, but as it stands, AVP is a niche movie with very little mass appeal or support. It would take a lot of money for advertising, directing, and an above-average script to make this movie work.

Given the right director and script, just about any movie can be executed well.

I still have faith that they'll make some decent Predator and Alien movies. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon, but if somebody steps up to the plate and makes a good one, I'll watch it. Alien and Aliens were great movies, 3 and 4 both sucked. Predator was good and Predator 2 was meh. It's very hard to revive a series thats been dead for so long and also didn't have a very good last film.

As for AVP, it's kinda the same deal. If there was a huge demand for a fantastic AVP movie, they would do everything in their power to do it, but as it stands, AVP is a niche movie with very little mass appeal or support. It would take a lot of money for advertising, directing, and an above-average script to make this movie work.

starfox15

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Given the right director and script, just about any movie can be executed well.

I still have faith that they'll make some decent Predator and Alien movies. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon, but if somebody steps up to the plate and makes a good one, I'll watch it. Alien and Aliens were great movies, 3 and 4 both sucked. Predator was good and Predator 2 was meh. It's very hard to revive a series thats been dead for so long and also didn't have a very good last film.

As for AVP, it's kinda the same deal. If there was a huge demand for a fantastic AVP movie, they would do everything in their power to do it, but as it stands, AVP is a niche movie with very little mass appeal or support. It would take a lot of money for advertising, directing, and an above-average script to make this movie work.

Failed2Live

HE's alright, but he is nowhere in the level of Guillermo del Toro.

No more movies they should just stick with games for the avp franchise and have individual movies. Avp comics good games good movies bad.

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[QUOTE="starfox15"]

Given the right director and script, just about any movie can be executed well.

I still have faith that they'll make some decent Predator and Alien movies. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon, but if somebody steps up to the plate and makes a good one, I'll watch it. Alien and Aliens were great movies, 3 and 4 both sucked. Predator was good and Predator 2 was meh. It's very hard to revive a series thats been dead for so long and also didn't have a very good last film.

As for AVP, it's kinda the same deal. If there was a huge demand for a fantastic AVP movie, they would do everything in their power to do it, but as it stands, AVP is a niche movie with very little mass appeal or support. It would take a lot of money for advertising, directing, and an above-average script to make this movie work.

Mr_Manikin52

HE's alright, but he is nowhere in the level of Guillermo del Toro.