Well your brain works in a mechanical way, so it's reasonable to say your choices aren't choices at all, and therefore the future has already been determined.
arent the first 2 choices essentially the same thing? life is what we make of it, so whatever happens because of our desicions happens right? but that just my opinion.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"]You can't undo your choices so it's set in stone in a way even if free will exists.Capitan_Kid
Couldnt you just make another choice that cancels out the previous one? You've still made that choice. If I dig a hole then fill it again I've still dug a hole.
[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]You can't undo your choices so it's set in stone in a way even if free will exists.Ace6301
Couldnt you just make another choice that cancels out the previous one? You've still made that choice. If I dig a hole then fill it again I've still dug a hole. The hole is the past, not the future. Nobody's saying the past isn't set in stone.
Depends on how you look at things. People have control over their own actions, but maybe those actions have already been set in stone without us knowing?
[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Couldnt you just make another choice that cancels out the previous one? You've still made that choice. If I dig a hole then fill it again I've still dug a hole. The hole is the past, not the future. Nobody's saying the past isn't set in stone. I'm saying you could never have valid evidence for free choice. It's pointless to bother arguing for either side. Things happen. Whether they happen because it's set in stone or not doesn't matter, the end result is the same.
We know what's gonna happen, but people refuse to take the necessary to avoid it. So yeah, humanity carved into the stone and they just ignore it like it will go away.
I think normally involuntary actions (like blinking) turned into voluntary actions proves we have free will. Like if I choose to blink just because I want to, how would that have ever been determined beforehand? Saying the future is set in stone means we can predict the future.
[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]I think normally involuntary actions (like blinking) turned into voluntary actions proves we have free will. Like if I choose to blink just because I want to, how would that have ever been determined beforehand? Saying the future is set in stone means we can predict the future. You choose to blink because your brain decided it wants to force your eyes to blink. You didn't choose to let your brain do that; your brain came up with the idea through the physical/chemical processes that go on in there. You can't really control those processes, they control you.
[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]I think normally involuntary actions (like blinking) turned into voluntary actions proves we have free will. Like if I choose to blink just because I want to, how would that have ever been determined beforehand? Saying the future is set in stone means we can predict the future. You choose to blink because your brain decided it wants to force your eyes to blink. You didn't choose to let your brain do that; your brain came up with the idea through the physical/chemical processes that go on in there. You can't really control those processes, they control you. So if I all of a sudden say, "hey you know what, in two minutes, I am going to blink!" and I do in two minutes, what you're saying is that the action of me saying those words two minutes ago was an idea conceived in my brain milliseconds before I thought about thinking it???
[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]I think normally involuntary actions (like blinking) turned into voluntary actions proves we have free will. Like if I choose to blink just because I want to, how would that have ever been determined beforehand? Saying the future is set in stone means we can predict the future. You choose to blink because your brain decided it wants to force your eyes to blink. You didn't choose to let your brain do that; your brain came up with the idea through the physical/chemical processes that go on in there. You can't really control those processes, they control you. So if I all of a sudden say, "hey you know what, in two minutes, I am going to blink!" and I do in two minutes, what you're saying is that the action of me saying those words two minutes ago was an idea conceived in my brain milliseconds before I thought about thinking it??? So to speak. Unless you believe in a soul, there's no "you", just your brain conceiving thoughts and getting your body to carry out actions. I don't know if anyone's proven whether brain thought processes have any element of true randomness to them, but there have been plenty of reported cases of identical twins separated at birth ending up with very similar lives as a result of making the same "decisions" in life.
The future is a template that is constantly being re-written and modified based upon each action that all/any of us do. The future in our dimension is constantly being revised and determined by us. Care to make a late revision/submission?
The future is a template that is constantly being re-written and modified based upon each action that all/any of us do. The future in our dimension is constantly being revised and determined by us. Care to make a late revision/submission?
The future is a template that is constantly being re-written and modified based upon each action that all/any of us do. The future in our dimension is constantly being revised and determined by us. Care to make a late revision/submission?
Capitan_Kid
You believe in parallel dimensions brah?
Does it matter? Because we will only ever experience the results in our dimension...
The future is a template that is constantly being re-written and modified based upon each action that all/any of us do. The future in our dimension is constantly being revised and determined by us. Care to make a late revision/submission?
Arsephixiation
You believe in parallel dimensions brah?
Does it matter? Because we will only ever experience the results in our dimension...
Sadly we're stuck in the dullest of dimensional lines.
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I used my vote to balance it out. Now you've had no impact! :D
I think this is a heavily misunderstood question. People split the future into two separate definitions. I think it stems from people not thinking about it crucially, and in how our society generally understands the self and time. There are different definitions and interpretations of destiny, and from what I see people don't know what they are talking about or it's just plain stupid and clearly an idea super imposed on them. Basically I believe there is only one future, and theoretically it is 'set in stone' but the only way to know the future (this is the first definition people think of when they use this word) is to live out to a point of x amount of time, which is, exactly what the future is to begin with. The future (1st definition) is the future (2nd definition). So there is no way to know the future, without having it lived out, or perhaps it doesn't need to be. That being alive or not being alive thing is what confuses me.
I think this is a heavily misunderstood question. People split the future into two separate definitions. I think it stems from people not thinking about it crucially, and in how our society generally understands the self and time. There are different definitions and interpretations of destiny, and from what I see people don't know what they are talking about or it's just plain stupid and clearly an idea super imposed on them. Basically I believe there is only one future, and theoretically it is 'set in stone' but the only way to know the future (this is the first definition people think of when they use this word) is to live out to a point of x amount of time, which is, exactly what the future is to begin with. The future (1st definition) is the future (2nd definition). So there is no way to know the future, without having it lived out, or perhaps it doesn't need to be. That being alive or not being alive thing is what confuses me.brandontwb
Well your brain works in a mechanical way, so it's reasonable to say your choices aren't choices at all, and therefore the future has already been determined.F1_2004
Your choices are choices. Choice is a word created by us, for the actions we choose. You cannot say I do not choose to type this message. You can however, analyze choice and notice that, like everything else in this universe, it is governed by cause and effect (it is silly, i think, to think that anything is not), and therefore not a choice. A choice is what my brain and its experience acts out on.
[QUOTE="brandontwb"]I think this is a heavily misunderstood question. People split the future into two separate definitions. I think it stems from people not thinking about it crucially, and in how our society generally understands the self and time. There are different definitions and interpretations of destiny, and from what I see people don't know what they are talking about or it's just plain stupid and clearly an idea super imposed on them. Basically I believe there is only one future, and theoretically it is 'set in stone' but the only way to know the future (this is the first definition people think of when they use this word) is to live out to a point of x amount of time, which is, exactly what the future is to begin with. The future (1st definition) is the future (2nd definition). So there is no way to know the future, without having it lived out, or perhaps it doesn't need to be. That being alive or not being alive thing is what confuses me.Capitan_Kid
So you think theres no possibility of change?When you say that, there are again multiple interpretations. There is no possible change from cause in effect. Just like there can be no reaction, without an action to begin with (now how did the universe begin? That's a topic for another time). When you say change, it means that there needs to be something to change from. If that something is an idea, then of course you can change from it.
[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]I think normally involuntary actions (like blinking) turned into voluntary actions proves we have free will. Like if I choose to blink just because I want to, how would that have ever been determined beforehand? Saying the future is set in stone means we can predict the future. You choose to blink because your brain decided it wants to force your eyes to blink. You didn't choose to let your brain do that; your brain came up with the idea through the physical/chemical processes that go on in there. You can't really control those processes, they control you.Wrong, the processes are a part of what we name 'you'. 'You' (this, again, has many different definitions) are the sum of some parts of your brain. If you argue that 'you' is your seperateness and ability to experience, then 'you' wouldn't have any identify or anything really that one would relate to someone.
You can't undo your choices so it's set in stone in a way even if free will exists.Ace6301
Every time you make a choice, there are different possibilities for the future. That reality never was but is, somewhere. I'm a firm believer that if you rewound time every time someone made a decision of even 2 choices, and played it over and over 1,000 times, that at least 1 or more times, that person would choose the unlikely decision. I don't believe when people tell me that people would always make the same decision when given the same circumstance every time. I believe too much in the intricacies of the human mind and mix in chaos theory with that. Nothing is as simple a model as set in stone fate and destiny.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"]You can't undo your choices so it's set in stone in a way even if free will exists.Sunfyre7896
Every time you make a choice, there are different possibilities for the future. That reality never was but is, somewhere. I'm a firm believer that if you rewound time every time someone made a decision of even 2 choices, and played it over and over 1,000 times, that at least 1 or more times, that person would choose the unlikely decision. I don't believe when people tell me that people would always make the same decision when given the same circumstance every time. I believe too much in the intricacies of the human mind and mix in chaos theory with that. Nothing is as simple a model as set in stone fate and destiny.
This is what I'm talking about. This makes no sense. If a situation is the same, it will be the same, no matter how times you do it. If somehow you make a realization one of the times, that means the situation was not the same. I can't believe you can believe that. And also, your viewing things incredibly simple. There's hardly ever two choices, but it's close to infinity, because everything about your actions dictate what will happen (delay, expression, infinite amounts of things). I think there is no set in stone destiny, that is because in order to know the future, it must be actually lived. People have a split definition of the term future, and it's really shocking how so many people can believe this concept that you described.. unless you can describe it to me logically.
I believe everthing happens because it was meant to happen. Yes we can change our minds on something but thats only because we were meant to do that. I'm not very good at explaining things like this so i'll just say yes, i think the future is set in stone.
ill just end this discussion then. Every brain is essentially a very complex math equation, yours, mine, everyone's. but every math equation has outliers. Which is why why can predict things/events to the 90th percentile... but that last 10 percent, we dont have the means to equate for yet. with better computers and mathematics we will eventually close the last 10%, just be glad you exist in a time where its not possible. technically you still have free will.
We are not the masters of our destinies. In this society we are dependent on other people and many other factors. For example, you want to become lets say a renowned lawyer. So you study hard because you wish to succeed on that field. But you are limited to so many things, first of all your intelligence and capacity to learn, if someone's stupid or lightly put his brain is limited no matter how hard he tries he will fail, second of all there is chance and luck, one has to be lucky sometimes to succeed in this life, and third of all other people influence your destiny. Whether it's your boss not wanting to promote you because he's a pathetic idiot or you getting hit by a drunk driver and your dreams going down the drain you do not hold your destiny in our hands, you are not the master but a mere servant. If i were the master of my destiny i could choose to become a football star and i would have, because that theory says we create our own destinies but the truth is we are limited to so many things, in this case my two left feet stop me.
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