Do you think Windows 7 will be a flop like Vista?

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#1 luv2program
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Honestly, Vista is a flop and there are no arguments about that. But will the new Windows 7 be the same?
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#2 aaronmullan
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I think Vista is superb, so yeah.
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#3 duxup
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I don't think Vista is that bad, it was just sold on PCs that shouldn't have had it.

Windows 7 will be fine. The beta / PR stunt has assured that.

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#4 Darth-Caedus
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Windows 7 will be slightly better then vista, but it will still suck compared to OS X and Linux.
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#5 KOTORkicker
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I highly doubt it.
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#6 Hungry_bunny
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Vista is slow, that's the only big drawback that I can think off (besides some compatibility issues)... but that factor was enough to make me pick XP instead. Seeing as Windows 7 is faster than Vista and the computers that are coming out by it's launch will be faster too... nah, I don't think it will be a flop.
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#7 Engrish_Major
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I hope it doesn't flop. All we need is more fuel for the Apple iFanboys.
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#8 dreamdude
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No clue.

I like it, but thats just me.

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#9 z4twenny
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Vista is slow, that's the only big drawback that I can think off (besides some compatibility issues)... but that factor was enough to make me pick XP instead. Seeing as Windows 7 is faster than Vista and the computers that are coming out by it's launch will be faster too... nah, I don't think it will be a flop.Hungry_bunny

really? vistas fine on my pc at home. the problem with every new OS is that people who shouldn't be trying to install it do try to install it. they've got old hardware and they're trying to put new software on it, guess what, it's not always gonna work well. i've got a 486 at home with 24 megs of ram and guess what would happen if i tried to install windows xp on it.... thats right, it wouldn't work. does that then mean i should call xp a flop because my 486 can't handle it, since thats what alot of people did with vista.

TS, win 7 is arguably less of a memory hog than vista and should therefore result in lower system requirements and quicker speeds.

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#10 vito_128
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I think tat as long as it is released on computers that can handle it, it will be fine.
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#11 Smoke89
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Everyone seems very pleased with the Beta, so I am optimistic about it.

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#12 FUBAR24
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after using it the past 3 months i can honestly say no
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#13 Blind0bj3ct
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Naw, as far as I've tested, 7 is very stable and there's fun features. It sure won't replace my Xp 64bit, but it's nice. It's much lighter and more effiecient. Windows 7 is going to make Vista useless.

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#14 Hungry_bunny
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really? vistas fine on my pc at home. the problem with every new OS is that people who shouldn't be trying to install it do try to install it. they've got old hardware and they're trying to put new software on it, guess what, it's not always gonna work well. i've got a 486 at home with 24 megs of ram and guess what would happen if i tried to install windows xp on it.... thats right, it wouldn't work. does that then mean i should call xp a flop because my 486 can't handle it, since thats what alot of people did with vista.

TS, win 7 is arguably less of a memory hog than vista and should therefore result in lower system requirements and quicker speeds.

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Well I wasn't satisfied with fine, even if I have 3-4 gigs the Vista is stealing way too much resources. I would only pick it if I had to, like in a pack-in deal.
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#15 Tjeremiah1988
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I like it but im not paying for it. I wish instead of them giving it free to people who purchase windows vista after june, they should instead allow people who have been there since day one with vista to dl 7 for free. But yes, I see why they arent. :(
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#16 kemar7856
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nothing wrong with vista it just that people dont like the change and complain just like with facebook with every update the requirements are gonna be higher

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#17 Buck_Hotep
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My computer I pretty much had customized to run Vista as fast as possible. Even while gaming I don't get much of a slowdown from Vista using too much of PC's resources. Windows 7 should really run fast on my PC. What I'm hoping for is that 7 actually gets more support from game developers.

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#18 Tjeremiah1988
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nothing wrong with vista it just that people dont like the change and complain just like with facebook with every update the requirements are gonna be higher

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but you gotta admit, that facebook update is plain horrible :P
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#19 z4twenny
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[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

really? vistas fine on my pc at home. the problem with every new OS is that people who shouldn't be trying to install it do try to install it. they've got old hardware and they're trying to put new software on it, guess what, it's not always gonna work well. i've got a 486 at home with 24 megs of ram and guess what would happen if i tried to install windows xp on it.... thats right, it wouldn't work. does that then mean i should call xp a flop because my 486 can't handle it, since thats what alot of people did with vista.

TS, win 7 is arguably less of a memory hog than vista and should therefore result in lower system requirements and quicker speeds.

Hungry_bunny

Well I wasn't satisfied with fine, even if I have 3-4 gigs the Vista is stealing way too much resources. I would only pick it if I had to, like in a pack-in deal.

how can you not be satisfied with fine? i mean if you don't like it then thats fair, its your opinion and you're definitely entitled to it but i don't see how something running fine is inadequate for you.

might wanna try turning off things like superfetching, that can free up some resources for your system (i turned off all the prefetching/superfetching etc tasks that suck up valuable memory unnecessarily)

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#20 Dr_Brocoli
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How is Vista a flop? I mean it crashes less than XP did, and more thigns are compatible with it than XP, it has amazing security. I dont see the problem. But windows 7 will be very very good.
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#21 DazedDarkness
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Vista isn't that bad, not bad at all to me. I'm not missing anything about XP really, I love the new fancier look(eventhough people said XP has an optipn to look like Vista now which is really a **** over on Microsoft's part). If I had to go bad to XP... I'd say no, only thing I miss about XP is the fact that I could use that old version of Bearshare which could find everything.

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#22 Velocitas8
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Vista had a rough launch on the 64-bit side, but it's a great operating system at this point. Hardly a flop.

Also, SPOILERS: Windows 7 is Vista with a new paint job (mostly just interface improvements.)

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#23 bean-with-bacon
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From what I've been hearing people are pretty impressed, I've been planning to download it for a while now but I just can't be bothered partitioning my HDD again. Also Vista didn't flop, it wasn't a great OS but it's deficiency has been greatly exaggerated.
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#24 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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Vista had a rough launch on the 64-bit side, but it's a great operating system at this point. Hardly a flop.

Also, SPOILERS: Windows 7 is Vista with a new paint job (mostly just interface improvements.)

Velocitas8
Really? Then what about the performance increases I have been reading and hearing since the release of Windows 7 beta?
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#25 lucky326
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Unless I get a nice discount I won't be moving from Vista that's for sure.
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#26 deactivated-5bf8c1fbe8a0f
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I'm running 7 on my laptop and it works as well as vista on my gaming rig. Not as much gaming but no crashes over the past few weeks of use. Vista 64 will bsod occasionally but it might be related to overclocking.
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#27 Velocitas8
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[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Vista had a rough launch on the 64-bit side, but it's a great operating system at this point. Hardly a flop.

Also, SPOILERS: Windows 7 is Vista with a new paint job (mostly just interface improvements.)

the_ChEeSe_mAn2

Really? Then what about the performance increases I have been reading and hearing since the release of Windows 7 beta?

At default settings it has slightly quicker boot times and lower idle RAM consumption. Things you can achieve already in Vista by tweaking services and boot options (it's nice that they're optimizing the OS for performance for the average user.)

As far as application benchmarks: some benchmark better in Vista SP1, some benchmark better on Windows 7. I've seen some promising comparisons in favor of Windows 7, but I'll wait for the actual OS to release before I get too excited (in the few little comparisons I've done, there's almost zero difference for the apps/games that I use.)

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#28 Hungry_bunny
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how can you not be satisfied with fine? i mean if you don't like it then thats fair, its your opinion and you're definitely entitled to it but i don't see how something running fine is inadequate for you.

might wanna try turning off things like superfetching, that can free up some resources for your system (i turned off all the prefetching/superfetching etc tasks that suck up valuable memory unnecessarily)

z4twenny

I don't know, I had a choice between "fine" and "more than fine" so I chose the latter :P ...what a person is satisfied with can't be seen as fact anyway, it's ALWAYS a matter of opinion and preference. Some don't feel like "optimizing" every time they need a bit more speed.

But even XP computers with super high specs can experience slow-downs on occasions, the better OS the fewer slow-downs. And I'm not a PC gamer (once I thought I would be), but the few new computer games that I've tried were tough to max out, pretty sure they would have been impossible to max out on Vista (on the back of games like Fallout 3 it usually says Reqs: "1GB System RAM (XP)/ 2GB System RAM (Vista)" and differences like that should be noticeable).

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#29 WestSideAzn
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I like Windows 7. I used it, and it's pretty cool. I really think that it's not going to be bad.
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#30 Ninja-Hippo
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No, because it's exactly what Vista should have been. A genuine, new version of Windows, not just XP with fancy graphics and worse compatibility. It's the best OS i've used so far.
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#31 Ninja-Hippo
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Also, SPOILERS: Windows 7 is Vista with a new paint job (mostly just interface improvements.)

Velocitas8
I dont think that's true at all, personally. They've clearly worked very hard to make it run smoother and faster, especially on less powerful hardware, and the changes to the interface are genuine new changes and additions, rather than Vista which just made what was already there in XP look different.
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#32 IamLegend316
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Well the W7 beta is overrated, IMO. My DRM movies scramble if I fastforward, it hangs at the "shutting down" screen 75% of the time so you have to manually power down, WMP doesn't fully close when you X out of it and doesn't go away even if you kill it at Task Manager. iTunes freezes if you try to download artwork or change track information, 3rd party TWAIN drivers don't work, etc, etc, etc.

And worst of all....the OS crashes every time I get into a fight in the greatest RPG of all....Morrowind. :(

The upside is that there is greater compatibility with drivers.

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#33 Moroes
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Well, looking at this logically: Vista has not been the perfect operating system, and Windows has not been using up its money to correct some of Vista's flaws. Hence, they must have stockpiled some of the money towards Windows 7... meaning that Windows 7 should be at least better than Vista with the time and money they have had at their disposal over the past few years. The speed issue should be resolved as well with some new advancements over the past couple of years.
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#34 Paladin_King
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lmao. Never a good sign when a TC says "there are no arguments about that."
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#35 Ninja-Hippo
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Well the W7 beta is overrated, IMO. My DRM movies scramble if I fastforward, it hangs at the "shutting down" screen 75% of the time so you have to manually power down, WMP doesn't fully close when you X out of it and doesn't go away even if you kill it at Task Manager. iTunes freezes if you try to download artwork or change track information, 3rd party TWAIN drivers don't work, etc, etc, etc.

And worst of all....the OS crashes every time I get into a fight in the greatest RPG of all....Morrowind. :(

The upside is that there is greater compatibility with drivers.

IamLegend316
Is your computer actually capable of running it? Just that i haven't encountered any of those problems at all. Plus, it is a beta remember.
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#36 shoeman12
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it's sold pretty good for being a "flop"
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#37 IamLegend316
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[QUOTE="IamLegend316"]

Well the W7 beta is overrated, IMO. My DRM movies scramble if I fastforward, it hangs at the "shutting down" screen 75% of the time so you have to manually power down, WMP doesn't fully close when you X out of it and doesn't go away even if you kill it at Task Manager. iTunes freezes if you try to download artwork or change track information, 3rd party TWAIN drivers don't work, etc, etc, etc.

And worst of all....the OS crashes every time I get into a fight in the greatest RPG of all....Morrowind. :(

The upside is that there is greater compatibility with drivers.

Ninja-Hippo
Is your computer actually capable of running it? Just that i haven't encountered any of those problems at all. Plus, it is a beta remember.

Core2Duo 3ghz 8GB Ram Geforce 9800GTX+ 1 TB HDD (x2) Blu-Ray Burner So I think it is *slightly* above the minimum requirements.
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#38 ish27
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There's too much propoganda about Vista out, and it's just way too widespread and late for it to be stopped. Vista was pretty bad when it first came out, but with the updates, SPs, and now that people have updated their rigs, Vista is a decent OS. I've been using Win7 since build 7000, and it is far better than Vista, and provides almost the same experience to the user as XP provided when it first came out (by this I mean Win7 is very good for its generation).

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#39 ragek1ll589
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I have no complaints about Vista.

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[QUOTE="IamLegend316"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="IamLegend316"]

Well the W7 beta is overrated, IMO. My DRM movies scramble if I fastforward, it hangs at the "shutting down" screen 75% of the time so you have to manually power down, WMP doesn't fully close when you X out of it and doesn't go away even if you kill it at Task Manager. iTunes freezes if you try to download artwork or change track information, 3rd party TWAIN drivers don't work, etc, etc, etc.

And worst of all....the OS crashes every time I get into a fight in the greatest RPG of all....Morrowind. :(

The upside is that there is greater compatibility with drivers.

Is your computer actually capable of running it? Just that i haven't encountered any of those problems at all. Plus, it is a beta remember.

Core2Duo 3ghz 8GB Ram Geforce 9800GTX+ 1 TB HDD (x2) Blu-Ray Burner So I think it is *slightly* above the minimum requirements.

I haven't had any of those problems except for WMP not fully closing. I have it running on a 4 year old gaming laptop. Itunes and zune software run amazing as well. Haven't tried Morrowind but oblivion was running great. Vista has been pissing me off lately on my gaming rig (almost same rig as yours cept for 3.2ghz quad), so I might load up the 64bit W7 version to see how it works.
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#41 chessmaster1989
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Eh, I've never really understood the hate for Vista; sure, it's not the best, but it kicks the **** out of OSX, and isn't much worse than XP.
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#42 gingefails
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I think that after Vista was so much of a flop, Windows 7 is expected by most people to be some sort of godsend. Therefore, disappointment is inevitable. I do think that it'll be significantly better though, or at least show signs that MS listened to their customers' suggestions.

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#43 jjj13
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Running Windows 7 now, freaking sweet imo. No compatibility issues at all. I LOVE it.
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#44 vidplayer8
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I don't see how it could

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#45 pvtdonut54
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How is Vista a flop? I mean it crashes less than XP did, and more thigns are compatible with it than XP, it has amazing security. I dont see the problem. But windows 7 will be very very good.Dr_Brocoli

precisely! whenever when someon's on Vista they blame their problems on it and not themselves. Vista is superoir to XP and 7will be better then 7.

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#46 darkIink
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[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

really? vistas fine on my pc at home. the problem with every new OS is that people who shouldn't be trying to install it do try to install it. they've got old hardware and they're trying to put new software on it, guess what, it's not always gonna work well. i've got a 486 at home with 24 megs of ram and guess what would happen if i tried to install windows xp on it.... thats right, it wouldn't work. does that then mean i should call xp a flop because my 486 can't handle it, since thats what alot of people did with vista.

TS, win 7 is arguably less of a memory hog than vista and should therefore result in lower system requirements and quicker speeds.

z4twenny

Well I wasn't satisfied with fine, even if I have 3-4 gigs the Vista is stealing way too much resources. I would only pick it if I had to, like in a pack-in deal.

how can you not be satisfied with fine? i mean if you don't like it then thats fair, its your opinion and you're definitely entitled to it but i don't see how something running fine is inadequate for you.

might wanna try turning off things like superfetching, that can free up some resources for your system (i turned off all the prefetching/superfetching etc tasks that suck up valuable memory unnecessarily)

link/detailed instructions for turning prefetching in vista?

as for the original topic, W7 is blindingly fast, mush faster than XP on my computer (I did a fresh install 1.5 years ago). Vista haters, I can't find one reason a 3 year old computer would have trouble with vista. For other devices, like if your printer has trouble linking, guess what IT'S THE PRINTER'S MANUFACTURER'S FALT FOR NOT DEVELOPING A NEW DRIVER NOT MS'S!

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#47 50shot
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Honestly, Vista is a flop and there are no arguments about that. But will the new Windows 7 be the same?luv2program
If it has compatibility issues like Vista did, then yes it'll flop but not as bad as Vista did.
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#48 kittykatz5k
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I've been running vista for officially one year now nad have no complaints at all about it. I heard when it first launched it had some issues, but from what I've seen of it, it's cool.

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#49 Velocitas8
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[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Also, SPOILERS: Windows 7 is Vista with a new paint job (mostly just interface improvements.)

Ninja-Hippo

I dont think that's true at all, personally. They've clearly worked very hard to make it run smoother and faster, especially on less powerful hardware, and the changes to the interface are genuine new changes and additions, rather than Vista which just made what was already there in XP look different.

True, there are a number of apparent improvements that go beyond superficial changes ..but the basic framework is identical to that of Vista.

Not that I'm saying this is a bad thing. Vista is actually a great OS, despite what many try to claim.

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#50 ThWorldGreatest
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i pray not , i downgraded from Vista to XP because of the sluggish performance but damn man , vista's Security is undeniably better than XP , i stayed for an entire year without catching one virus , XP? got 20 in the same month i installed it with the help of three third-party anti-virus's and im STILL getting a virus every now or then , if 7 is not as bad and as sluggish as vista you can count on me to buy it day 1.