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#1 the_new_guy_92
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I was just reading about government operations like COINTELPRO and Operation Northwoods, and it scares me that our own government would do these things to it's own citizens. Secretly plotting to fake attacks against the nation, targeting peaceful protesters, framing people for crimes they didn't commit. Especially when you consider that we would have never found out about it if it wasn't for the fact domestic terrorist broke into the FBI building and stole documents detailing it. Do you think operations like COINTELPRO are still operating?
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#2 spazzx625
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I think a lot of that stuff is fodder for conspiracy theorists...
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#3 smc91352
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I never have. (I've seen too many movies)
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#4 EMOEVOLUTION
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I do trust the government more than I trust private businesses. However, I still don't trust either very much.

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#5 Unassigned
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No.
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#6 Ace_WondersX
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Just the term COINTELPRO pisses me off. If I had a time machine I would go back in time and punch Edgar Hoover in the face repeatedly.

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#7 Crimsader
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Never ever.

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#8 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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It's always good to maintain a healthy level of skepticism about the government. But that must be grounded in reality and supported by some evidence as opposed to many conspiracy theorists who simply make conclusions with no support.

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#9 locopatho
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Never trust the goverment. Power corrupts as they say.
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#10 jer_1
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Not in the least, our government has completely sold it's soul to the mega-corporations and banking oligarchs of this planet. They seem to actively work to do the exact opposite of what they say they are doing.

Example: "We're improving the job market, more jobs are coming." while in reality they increase taxes and place more burdens on small businesses. They lend massive amounts of money to "banks" and yet these "banks" don't let that money go back out of their coffers. It's damn well a planned situation, recessions and depressions are scientifically designed and enacted by the FED.

END THE FED!

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#11 jer_1
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I do trust the government more than I trust private businesses. However, I still don't trust either very much.

EMOEVOLUTION

Wow, you have got to be kidding. You trust the government more than a mom & pop store? This is idiotic.

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#12 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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[QUOTE="jer_1"]

Not in the least, our government has completely sold it's soul to the mega-corporations and banking oligarchs of this planet. They seem to actively work to do the exact opposite of what they say they are doing.

Example: "We're improving the job market, more jobs are coming." while in reality they increase taxes and place more burdens on small businesses. They lend massive amounts of money to "banks" and yet these "banks" don't let that money go back out of their coffers. It's damn well a planned situation, recessions and depressions are scientifically designed and enacted by the FED.

END THE FED!

Why would the government want a recession or depression? Most of those mega corporations took enormous losses during this current recession. Why would they plan for that?
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#13 EMOEVOLUTION
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

I do trust the government more than I trust private businesses. However, I still don't trust either very much.

jer_1

Wow, you have got to be kidding. You trust the government more than a mom & pop store? This is idiotic.

Really? I'm shocked you can reach that conclusion by such a simple sentence. Majority of business now is not mom and pop stores. Besides, every mom and pop store you see is a front for the illegal drug trade.

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#14 smc91352
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[QUOTE="jer_1"]

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

I do trust the government more than I trust private businesses. However, I still don't trust either very much.

EMOEVOLUTION

Wow, you have got to be kidding. You trust the government more than a mom & pop store? This is idiotic.

Really? I'm shocked you can reach that conclusion by such a simple sentence. Majority of business now is not mom and pop stores. Besides, every mom and pop store you see is a front for the illegal drug trade.

that's why they're always in "that neighborhood" :lol:
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#15 comp_atkins
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people forget that the government is not some spooky enterprise full of sinister people planning all of our doom... it's made up regular people just doing their job like everyone else... imo there's an extremely small % of people in the gov't who are not trustworthy...
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#16 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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The current government run by Obama..hell no..:P

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#17 jer_1
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[QUOTE="jer_1"]

Not in the least, our government has completely sold it's soul to the mega-corporations and banking oligarchs of this planet. They seem to actively work to do the exact opposite of what they say they are doing.

Example: "We're improving the job market, more jobs are coming." while in reality they increase taxes and place more burdens on small businesses. They lend massive amounts of money to "banks" and yet these "banks" don't let that money go back out of their coffers. It's damn well a planned situation, recessions and depressions are scientifically designed and enacted by the FED.

END THE FED!

sonicare

Why would the government want a recession or depression? Most of those mega corporations took enormous losses during this current recession. Why would they plan for that?

Banks haven't taken losses, they are profitting quite well at the moment. This is an act to bring us to parity with the rest of the world. The pro-globalization and pro-free traders have done quite well at de-industrializing this whole nation. The oligarchs of this planet have no problem eating their own.

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#18 MathMattS
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The current government run by Obama..hell no..:P

Xx_Hopeless_xX

What he said. I'm not onboard with socialism.

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#19 tycoonmike
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There are very few things I implicitly trust and the government isn't one of them. I don't trust organizations that explicitly lie about their goals, duties, morals, and ethics to their constituents. Researching the Cold War, alone, was enough to convince me of that.

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#20 tycoonmike
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Banks haven't taken losses, they are profitting quite well at the moment. This is an act to bring us to parity with the rest of the world. The pro-globalization and pro-free traders have done quite well at de-industrializing this whole nation. The oligarchs of this planet have no problem eating their own.

jer_1

:| Then how do you explain the failures of major banking firms like Lehman Brothers, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac?

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#21 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

The current government run by Obama..hell no..:P

MathMattS

What he said. I'm not onboard with socialism.

Then don't move to a socialist country? Obama is far from a socialist. Fact time over. Anyway, I trust the government to a very limited extent, but I'm far from paranoid about it.
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#22 Ontain
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I do trust the government more than I trust private businesses. However, I still don't trust either very much.

EMOEVOLUTION
this. at least i can try to change the government.
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#23 Trinners
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You shouldn't trust anything that's in a position of power but rather be critical and skeptical.

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#24 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

The current government run by Obama..hell no..:P

T_P_O

What he said. I'm not onboard with socialism.

Then don't move to a socialist country? Obama is far from a socialist. Fact time over. Anyway, I trust the government to a very limited extent, but I'm far from paranoid about it.

Ill informed much..?

Mr. Obama, and the democrat/socialists, currently in charge of our government, worship(s) the ideals of socialism. They talk of "fairness' and "redistribution of the national wealth" (and of individual wealth), of government run "universal healthcare", and bigger and bigger government wielding more and more power over individual's lives. And then… there is Obama's embrace of the United Nations.

the Global Poverty Act sounds like just another way to buy friends. As Mr. Cary says:"In other words, other nations will like us better if we give them our money".

The Global Poverty Act. It is Senate Bill s2433 introduced by Obama on December 7th, of 2007. The bill is supposed to compel (require) the President of the US to devise and implement strategies to promote the reduction of global poverty, and even eliminate extreme global poverty, and to promote the achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day." A high sounding goal, right? Well, what will such a plan cost the US taxpayers? How about 845 billion US dollars (spread over thirteen years),over and above the foreign aid we already provide for struggling nations and peoples around the globe?And, even more troubling… where will that money come from? Of course, it will come from the pockets of you and me and the other US taxpayers.

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#25 jrhawk42
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As much as I trust people.

Basically any group of people is made up of people. Some are good, and some are bad this pretty much constitutes any body that is made up of people.

So I pretty much trust the government as much as I trust anybody else.

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#26 Matthew-first
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no!

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#27 coylenintendo
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for the most part but they always seem like they're up to some things that we don't know about.

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#28 pis3rch
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nope, all governments are corrupt....im not some wacko conspiracy theorist but i am skeptical.
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#29 _R34LiTY_
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Negative.

IMO, 90% of the government is either full of old timers who are in someones pockets or some naive young cat who hasn't any clue of how the world works.

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#30 Dub_c6969
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When the GOV spends more money for wars then to feed the poor, of course i dont trust them.
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#31 danwallacefan
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not at all

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#32 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

The current government run by Obama..hell no..:P

MathMattS

What he said. I'm not onboard with socialism.

Good thing Obama isn't a socialist. :)

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#33 Theokhoth
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I am the government, so it wouldn't exactly be rational if I didn't trust it.

An educated person has nothing to fear from the government.

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#34 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="MathMattS"]

What he said. I'm not onboard with socialism.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Then don't move to a socialist country? Obama is far from a socialist. Fact time over. Anyway, I trust the government to a very limited extent, but I'm far from paranoid about it.

Ill informed much..?

Mr. Obama, and the democrat/socialists, currently in charge of our government, worship(s) the ideals of socialism. They talk of "fairness' and "redistribution of the national wealth" (and of individual wealth), of government run "universal healthcare", and bigger and bigger government wielding more and more power over individual's lives. And then… there is Obama's embrace of the United Nations.

the Global Poverty Act sounds like just another way to buy friends.

Listen, I know you think you're pretty cool because you know a couple of elements of socialism, but you are ill-informed and quite silly. Obama hardly worships the "ideals" of socialism, that's just far-right rhetoric used to scare people, and I'm rather fed up of hearing it. First, since when was "fairness" ever an exclusively socialist ideal? Second, redistribution of wealth happens regardless. Universal healthcare is exclusively socialist? Eh, what year are you in? Countries can adopt a system of universal health care and not be socialist, the UK isn't socialist, France isn't socialist, Holland, etc. You get the idea. You really think Obama wants to micromanage what you do in your home? Get over your paranoia. Oh, the UN is socialist now? The hell, nearly every sovereign state in the world is part of the UN, hardly a socialist thing to discuss and try to uphold human rights, peace and all that jazz. Your article was tl;dr, besides, I thought the Global Poverty Act died on the Senate floor in July 2008.
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#35 horgen  Moderator
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I trust them as much as I trust my nieghboor. Only a little.
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#36 Doctor-McNinja
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Heck no. All the current government cares about (in England that is...) is staying in power and getting re-elected. They'll do anything to stay in office; they've completely lost track of what they're supposed to do and the role they're meant to fulfill. They don't act on the best interests of the people or the country; they act in their own interests, and to make it worse, have proven on dozens of occasions that they're completely incompetent.
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Ill informed much..?

Mr. Obama, and the democrat/socialists, currently in charge of our government, worship(s) the ideals of socialism. They talk of "fairness' and "redistribution of the national wealth" (and of individual wealth), of government run "universal healthcare", and bigger and bigger government wielding more and more power over individual's lives. And then… there is Obama's embrace of the United Nations.

the Global Poverty Act sounds like just another way to buy friends. As Mr. Cary says:"In other words, other nations will like us better if we give them our money".

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Xx_Hopeless_xX
That was pretty much a straight-repeat of the right wing rhetoric you get on radio and fox news to scare people; Obama is no more a socialist than any other democratic president. When LBJ was trying his best to improve American society, was he a socialist and a communist too? You act like America isn't socialist as it is. Newsflash; you pay taxes which pay for schools, services, police and government. Guess what that is?
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#38 Wasdie  Moderator
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Since our government is chosen by the people and I don't trust 95% of Americans with makeing a good decision, I can honestly say I don't really trust our government.

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#39 msudude211
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To a point, yes.
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#40 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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No, but not in the "they are taking control of our brains by mind control through vaccines" kind of way. I distrust them in the nannystate, and "we can spend your money better than you can" kind of way.
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#41 Maqda7
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I didn't trust the older government. I trust this new one.
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#42 reveiwer
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I was just reading about government operations like COINTELPRO and Operation Northwoods, and it scares me that our own government would do these things to it's own citizens. Secretly plotting to fake attacks against the nation, targeting peaceful protesters, framing people for crimes they didn't commit. Especially when you consider that we would have never found out about it if it wasn't for the fact domestic terrorist broke into the FBI building and stole documents detailing it. Do you think operations like COINTELPRO are still operating? the_new_guy_92

Actually I believe cointelpro was a good idea but they took it way too far and to answer the question yes I do trust a liberal government not a conservative

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power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

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#44 Doolz2024
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"Trust the government? Heck, I'm in the government and I don't even trust it!" :lol:

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"Trust the government? Heck, I'm in the government and I don't even trust it!" :lol:

Doolz2024
Same here lol. I trust the government as a whole, less now than I used to before I got this job.
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#46 aransom
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Newsflash; you pay taxes which pay for schools, services, police and government. Guess what that is? Doctor-McNinja
People on the right don't object for reasonable taxes to fund limited, basic programs and projects that benefit everyone. We object to redistribution of wealth, taking money out of the pockets of producers and putting it in the pockets of non-producers. Paying someone to teach, fight fires, catch robbers, or build roads isn't socialism, paying someone to walk to the welfare office is.

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power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

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I just got a new 1000W power supply and I feel corrupted. :o :P
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You shouldn't trust your government, it's a rogue state: it consistently is (along with it's lap-dop, Israel) the only country that votes against UN resolutions which try and reinforce the basic human rights in the Geneva Conventions. The US has been breaking international law for decades, your presidents are war criminals. It has invaded and attacked Latin American countries like Uruguay, Panama, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba, Chile and El Salvador (amongst others) and instituted dictators in those countries whom oppress it's people. Big corporations then swoop into those countries and profit off the cheap labour and resources they produce. James Madison said that the purpose of democratic society is to "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority" and that the state should be controlled by the "wealth of the Nation" i.e. so-called "democratic" countries should be ran by wealthy businessmen: plutocrats. It has been that way and has only been getting worse.

However, having said that, you can have an influence over your government. You can't have a say in the activities of the giant corporations that govern world affairs; they are perfect tyrannies. The government, however, is not a perfect tyranny because it is potentially democratic i.e. if you, the workers of the country, organise and protest then you can have a say in your government and can change it.

To the poster above me who is under the illusion that Obama is a socialist: The most basic tenet of socialism is that the means of production (the factories, the workshops, all land, tools and materials that produces wealth) should be collectively owned such that there is no class divide between people who own the means of production (Capitalists or "bourgeoisie") forcing the working class (or "proletariat") to work for them through an oppressive and exploitative system of wage-labour that transfers wealth upwards (to the Capitalists) causing further class divide and wealth inequalities and so on. Has Obama done anything that suggests anything of this sort? No, of course he hasn't, in fact he brings in reforms that further benefit the Capitalists. The biggest protectionist (i.e. Capitalist-supporting) presidents have been republicans: like Nixon. The US economy goes, and has always gone, like this: massive protection for the rich, free-market discipline for everybody else. The state subsidises the rich all the time, if a big business goes down it's YOU the public who have to pay for it in taxes. The big businesses take NONE OF THE RISKS and get ALL THE PROFITS. All that risk taking that the public has been taking has led to the mass unemployment/redundancy: the likeliness of bankruptcy has increased significantly in the last couple of decades. American families spend less and food and less on clothes (etc.) now than they did in 1976. In 1976 11% of an average families income went towards savings, the average America family today has 0% in savings. Wealth is moving upwards. Obama isn't changing that.

The US has one of the worst health-care systems in the world. It has a worse health-care system than Cuba. Do you know how much wealthier the US is than Cuba? It's ridiculous that American health-care is so bad. France has the best health-care system in the world and that's because the public put it in the hands of their government rather than let it be controlled by tyrannical business owners which care more about profits than people's lives. If the US government provides Universal health-care that is poor the public will protest and force the government to provide better health-care, which it can afford. If health-care remains in the hands of business then it doesn't matter how sick you are, if you can't pay up then it's tough-luck.

Your media is controlled by wealthy Capitalists. Your news is propaganda fed to you by the bourgeoisie class. There is no "liberal media", the media that Fox News talks about certainly isn't "liberal". As long as you let these news programmes control your opinions, whether that news programme calls themselves "liberal" or "conservative" ("conservative" being far-right and "liberal" being more centre-right), you won't have any real freedom or control over your lives. These news programmes want you to keep thinking about golfers having sex so you aren't thinking about people dying in wars, people dying because they can't afford health-care, people losing their jobs because of a ridiculous economy etc. They want you to think that it's "commies" and "terrorists" and "socialists" etc. that are causing all your problems. They want you to argue over abortion and gay marriage so as to keep you distracted. They want you to hate your government and your president so that you become more and more distrustful of the only institution that you can potentially control!They want you to hate each other to prevent you from turning against the real cause of your problems: "the minority of the opulent", "the wealth of the nation."

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#49 Gaming-Planet
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Never have, never will.

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#50 Yongying
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The government is corrupt. Americans are like tv drones. How come we never had a president that actually stood up to all of his promises? politicians are just actors, they don't care about you or me, we are not as independant and as free as we like to think, and we are being terrorized with constant fear, and stupid bs crap that doesn't even matter like tiger woods, diverting people from real important issues., People have placed so much hope on Obama, with all his speeches of change, healthcare, taking better care of the world, but his speech a few hours ago at Copenhagen just proves that he is a puppet and a deceiver, just like all of them, and i'm glad, because people are starting to realize :)