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Feel like you're being followed? Maybe it's a tracking tag on your jeans or one implanted in a credit card. The tags are called radio frequency identification or RFIDs, and every day they are becoming more and more a part of our lifestyle. These Orwellian microchips, as minute as a grain of sand, identify and track products and even lost children at theme parks. They're being implanted in humans to alert hospitals about medical conditions. The tags can be so tiny, you may never know they are there. Retailers claim RFIDs are essential: alerting them when they're low on lipstick, air filters, sodas and other inventory. Embedded tags aren't so obvious. Hitachi Europe recently developed the world's tiniest RFID integrated circuit, small enough to be placed in a piece of paper. Some RFID chips are made to be imbedded in livestock, in pets and most recently in humans for a variety of reasons. RFID prices have dropped, and tagging has become practical for businesses. In-Stat, a high-tech research firm, reports more than 1 billion RFID chips were made last year and predicts that by 2010 the number will increase to 33 billion. RFID chips from VeriChip of Florida are manufactured for implanting in humans. The Food and Drug Administration approved human implants two years ago.

hmmm, makes me wonder about the flu shots.....

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#2 LikeHaterade
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I've heard of one family in Florida actually receiving the imbedded RFID microchip implant. Got a link showing more doing it?
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#3 NoQuarterGiven
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Not interested. I don't even carry a cellphone, partially because you can be tracked. Big Brother be damned.
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#4 BiancaDK
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Chip me up, baby *assumes position*
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#5 Theokhoth
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I did a presentation on this yesterday.

Basically, my answer is "hell no."

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#6 senses_fail_06
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...and promote the end times? No.
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#7 shyskillz
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i for one do not want it, i read that one day everyone will need one if they want money, food and shelter. and that there are chips that can be put into the brain and control ppl ( future soldiers show on tv ). man idk, but i'm not with this, and of coarse i'm familiar with the scriptures on the mark of the beast. to hell with that, i don't like needles anyway, i literally don't want to have a chip on my shoulder.

I've heard of one family in Florida actually receiving the imbedded RFID microchip implant. Got a link showing more doing it?LikeHaterade

post it...... if you want

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#8 Hoobinator
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There are already enough "chips" to track you nowadays anyway. Biometric ID's on passports, chips on credit cards, mobile phone SIM's that can effectively be used to track the location of the mobile.

The day we are told we NEED the chip for safety, security or to buy more safely in turbulent economic environments, I will do my best to leave the country and go somewhere, anywhere where this is not being implanted.

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#9 LikeHaterade
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The day we are told we NEED the chip for safety, security or to buy more safely in turbulent economic environments, I will do my best to leave the country and go somewhere, anywhere where this is not being implanted.

Hoobinator

I would immediately do the same. I can't think of a good enough reason to receive something like that. Constantly being tracked and having all of my personal information on one chip. If that were to ever take place, the government could say that it's "for our protection."

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#10 A1B2C3CAL
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No! But my dog has one.
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#11 thusaha
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No thanks.
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Chip me up, baby *assumes position*BiancaDK

lol

Reminds me of King of the Hill. Bill bends over and drops his pants for a shot, and the doctor just puts it in his shoulder.

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[QUOTE="shyskillz"]

Feel like you're being followed? Maybe it's a tracking tag on your jeans or one implanted in a credit card. The tags are called radio frequency identification or RFIDs, and every day they are becoming more and more a part of our lifestyle. These Orwellian microchips, as minute as a grain of sand, identify and track products and even lost children at theme parks. They're being implanted in humans to alert hospitals about medical conditions. The tags can be so tiny, you may never know they are there. Retailers claim RFIDs are essential: alerting them when they're low on lipstick, air filters, sodas and other inventory. Embedded tags aren't so obvious. Hitachi Europe recently developed the world's tiniest RFID integrated circuit, small enough to be placed in a piece of paper. Some RFID chips are made to be imbedded in livestock, in pets and most recently in humans for a variety of reasons. RFID prices have dropped, and tagging has become practical for businesses. In-Stat, a high-tech research firm, reports more than 1 billion RFID chips were made last year and predicts that by 2010 the number will increase to 33 billion. RFID chips from VeriChip of Florida are manufactured for implanting in humans. The Food and Drug Administration approved human implants two years ago.

hmmm, makes me wonder about the flu shots.....

OMG dude good point about the flu shots... dude this NWO stuffs seems to becoming more real... i would never ever ever ever get a chip put in me NEVER! And if they ever mandated that one day we have to have a chip put in.. i will know the NWO is here and im running to a remote island somewhere
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Well it will be required to buy anything in the future, so you pretty much will have to take it, unless you're willing to grow your own food and survive like that. I won't be taking it though simply because of the mark of the beast, not because I don't want to be tracked down, don't really care if the government knows where I am at.
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#15 Deihjan
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I wouldn't want one. . . I'd feel paranoid 24/7 x.x Plus, if I did something the government didn't like. . . . :oops:
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I think they are a good thing, I feel that they can do alot of good things like save people when they have been kidnapped or find a persons dead body during a murder investigation. They could save a persons life or even help ease the pain of a family they could be helped to find objects that have been stolen from you I think it is just a smart investment for the future. I don't see anything bad about this unless we became a ditatorship or something and they used them to track rebels but I don't see that happening so I believe it is a very smart idea to use them in people and objects.
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No not really.
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I don't see anything bad about this unless we became a ditatorship or something and they used them to track rebels but I don't see that happening so I believe it is a very smart idea to use them in people and objects. observer77
Your whole argument rests on the simple and unfounded notion that western liberal democratic governments are not going to abuse their power and work for the interests of the people at all times, respect their liberties and in no way, shape or form will ever act against the wishes of the people. That's BS. Give people power and they only want more. Even in a "democracy" or "republic" the people must always check against the excessive wielding of power by governments, corporations and armies.
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why would I want the government knowing I used the toilet at 2pm? This does not make anything safe and whoever believes what the government saids is delusional.
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

The day we are told we NEED the chip for safety, security or to buy more safely in turbulent economic environments, I will do my best to leave the country and go somewhere, anywhere where this is not being implanted.

LikeHaterade

I would immediately do the same. I can't think of a good enough reason to receive something like that. Constantly being tracked and having all of my personal information on one chip. If that were to ever take place, the government could say that it's "for our protection."

well there are cameras everywhere now since 9/11. I was just on the bus in nyc and there are literally 6 big cameras on display for everyone to see. We are told its to make things safe and "protect us from terrorism". The public swallows it up and believes it. The next step I guess is RFIDs.
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#21 SouL-Tak3R
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They have implanted a few test people already. But I would not want that implant. Its a start for total government control:shock:
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#22 Shad0ki11
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No. I don't want one. I doubt people would willingly want to put a computer chip in their body for monitering purposes.
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I don't want to get injected with
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My dogs have them, but i dont need one.
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[QUOTE="observer77"] I don't see anything bad about this unless we became a ditatorship or something and they used them to track rebels but I don't see that happening so I believe it is a very smart idea to use them in people and objects. Hoobinator
Your whole argument rests on the simple and unfounded notion that western liberal democratic governments are not going to abuse their power and work for the interests of the people at all times, respect their liberties and in no way, shape or form will ever act against the wishes of the people. That's BS. Give people power and they only want more. Even in a "democracy" or "republic" the people must always check against the excessive wielding of power by governments, corporations and armies.

ok so lets say they are going ot use it for something bad what finding me located at school? I don't trust the goverment but in this matter I would very much be finr with it because I have worked with to many students and family members who have been run aways or kidnap victims I believe that when a 12 year old girl in my home town was kidnapped off the sidewalk at school and gang rapped in the woods by 4/5 guys then dropped back off in the middle of the street that when they were looking for her something along these lines could have saved her from the horrible trama there have been way to many bad things happen to people that could have been provented by something like this and were not I don't care if the goverment decided to use them for something else at least I would know that it saved as many peoples lives as possible before it was put into a use for govermental opportunity.

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#26 JonnyJonDogg
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imagine if u were dieing or something and they didnt know where to find you i bet ude want one then or if u was kidnapped or something

or if u was in a game of saw.. :O looool

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No. I don't like the idea of someone being able to follow my every step through the day
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#28 Omni-Wrath
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Nanomachines. No Way.

They will be harmful. Soon befor eyou know it AI will be controlling our every move and tracking us. Then it would start a war econmy.

No. NO. Nanomachines are evil.

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ok so lets say they are going ot use it for something bad what finding me located at school? I don't trust the goverment but in this matter I would very much be finr with it because I have worked with to many students and family members who have been run aways or kidnap victims I believe that when a 12 year old girl in my home town was kidnapped off the sidewalk at school and gang rapped in the woods by 4/5 guys then dropped back off in the middle of the street that when they were looking for her something along these lines could have saved her from the horrible trama there have been way to many bad things happen to people that could have been provented by something like this and were not I don't care if the goverment decided to use them for something else at least I would know that it saved as many peoples lives as possible before it was put into a use for govermental opportunity.observer77
Bad people will always find ways to do bad things and circumvent the security measures. Maybe if you had a chip implanted in your wrist, they could easily cut it out of you, or scramble the technology. There are plenty of good things that could come out of a total security nation, but the bad outweighs the benefits. Imagine if the government tracked you, every place you went for speaking out against their bailouts? Logged everything you did, held you to blackmail with asymmetrical access to information. Living in fear is not a nice thing, well unless you tow the official line.
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#30 Hoobinator
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No. I don't want one. I doubt people would willingly want to put a computer chip in their body for monitering purposes. Shad0ki11
It's not about what the people want, it's about how to make them think they need it.
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[QUOTE="observer77"]ok so lets say they are going ot use it for something bad what finding me located at school? I don't trust the goverment but in this matter I would very much be finr with it because I have worked with to many students and family members who have been run aways or kidnap victims I believe that when a 12 year old girl in my home town was kidnapped off the sidewalk at school and gang rapped in the woods by 4/5 guys then dropped back off in the middle of the street that when they were looking for her something along these lines could have saved her from the horrible trama there have been way to many bad things happen to people that could have been provented by something like this and were not I don't care if the goverment decided to use them for something else at least I would know that it saved as many peoples lives as possible before it was put into a use for govermental opportunity.Hoobinator
Bad people will always find ways to do bad things and circumvent the security measures. Maybe if you had a chip implanted in your wrist, they could easily cut it out of you, or scramble the technology. There are plenty of good things that could come out of a total security nation, but the bad outweighs the benefits. Imagine if the government tracked you, every place you went for speaking out against their bailouts? Logged everything you did, held you to blackmail with asymmetrical access to information. Living in fear is not a nice thing, well unless you tow the official line.

you say that living in fear is not a good thing but on the grounds that you are against this because of fear confuses me. with them we would live in fear with some peace of mind and just because it could happen doesn't mean you should live in a life filled with what if's you'll go crazy. I don't live in what if's I live in a reality of bad things that others refuse to see I understand your stance but I will not change my mind because you feel differently. I am not caring about a goverment conspriacy that could happen I would rather care about what is happening in front of me right now and hope for a better solution than poorly trained police officers and a flawed legal system.

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I think the day that I am forced to have a micro chip implanted into me is the day that the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]No. I don't want one. I doubt people would willingly want to put a computer chip in their body for monitering purposes. Hoobinator
It's not about what the people want, it's about how to make them think they need it.

How will they do that? Yes there are probably many good things about it, but it can be abused aswell
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

The day we are told we NEED the chip for safety, security or to buy more safely in turbulent economic environments, I will do my best to leave the country and go somewhere, anywhere where this is not being implanted.

LikeHaterade

I would immediately do the same. I can't think of a good enough reason to receive something like that. Constantly being tracked and having all of my personal information on one chip. If that were to ever take place, the government could say that it's "for our protection."

then thats where our whole reason for the right to bear arms comes into play... start a rebellion... and im totally serious if that was to happen.

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you say that living in fear is not a good thing but on the grounds that you are against this because of fear confuses me. with them we would live in fear with some peace of mind and just because it could happen doesn't mean you should live in a life filled with what if's you'll go crazy. I don't live in what if's I live in a reality of bad things that others refuse to see I understand your stance but I will not change my mind because you feel differently. I am not caring about a goverment conspriacy that could happen I would rather care about what is happening in front of me right now and hope for a better solution than poorly trained police officers and a flawed legal system.observer77

Well funny thing is you talk of government abuse and conspiracy as if it is something that has not, nor is happening. I live in the real world where the governments of most nations are out of control, and piss regularly on their constitutions. It's all fine and dandy speaking of possibles that some girl may or mar not be saved, you also dismiss wholesale the concept of circumventing security measures, like I sad bad people will always find a way around it, unless we live in a total security nation like a maximum security prison where everyone and everything is constantly monitored 24/7. Hey of course if you believe the government is good, and security is a price to pay for "liberty" then by all means why stop at RFID's and microchiping. Heck, let the government install cameras everywhere and anywhere, chip everything, and we'll all be safe. Every time you flush the toilet let big brother know about it, he is after all looking out for us and protecting us. To limit it to only some security measures would be arbitrary, every crime would be cut, if we were all tracked by satellite 24/7.

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And this affects me how?
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#37 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="horgen123"] How will they do that? Yes there are probably many good things about it, but it can be abused aswell

One easy way for microchips to buy and sell would be a completely cashless society. Let the markets crash and create a new virtual currency, where every monetary flow is monitored, from the porn sites you might pay for to charities you may give money to. In fact a cashless society is probably the single easiest way to create a capitalist system where every transaction is constantly monitored.
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And this affects me how?Montaya
If you think having a chip implanted into you to monitor your financial transactions doesn't affect you, then I can't really explain it to you...
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No, I'd rather keep my privacy. Maybe if I needed it for safety reasons/safety of my family, but as it is, the need is not strong for me to get one at all.
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[QUOTE="observer77"]you say that living in fear is not a good thing but on the grounds that you are against this because of fear confuses me. with them we would live in fear with some peace of mind and just because it could happen doesn't mean you should live in a life filled with what if's you'll go crazy. I don't live in what if's I live in a reality of bad things that others refuse to see I understand your stance but I will not change my mind because you feel differently. I am not caring about a goverment conspriacy that could happen I would rather care about what is happening in front of me right now and hope for a better solution than poorly trained police officers and a flawed legal system.Hoobinator

Well funny thing is you talk of government abuse and conspiracy as if it is something that has not, nor is happening. I live in the real world where the governments of most nations are out of control, and piss regularly on their constitutions. It's all fine and dandy speaking of possibles that some girl may or mar not be saved, you also dismiss wholesale the concept of circumventing security measures, like I sad bad people will always find a way around it, unless we live in a total security nation like a maximum security prison where everyone and everything is constantly monitored 24/7. Hey of course if you believe the government is good, and security is a price to pay for "liberty" then by all means why stop at RFID's and microchiping. Heck, let the government install cameras everywhere and anywhere, chip everything, and we'll all be safe. Every time you flush the toilet let big brother know about it, he is after all looking out for us and protecting us.

why try? my mind is not changed.

implant me and my chilldren.

goverments will always lie, cheat and steal from the pople and step on them we can change that as a mass but no one cares enough to change anthing just sit back and complain about things the goverment does instead of making an effort to change it as the mass that is the people.

so therefore my mind stays unchanged on the topic.

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Hell no. I wouldn't even do that to my kids. I mean people have to kinda have their own personal lives... Why does everyone really need to be tracked? What is the point?
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="horgen123"] How will they do that? Yes there are probably many good things about it, but it can be abused aswell

One easy way for microchips to buy and sell would be a completely cashless society. Let the markets crash and create a new virtual currency, where every monetary flow is monitored, from the porn sites you might pay for to charities you may give money to. In fact a cashless society is probably the single easiest way to create a capitalist system where every transaction is constantly monitored.

And what happens when someone hacks the system? Copies the chip to another one?
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#43 Montaya
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[QUOTE="Montaya"]And this affects me how?Hoobinator


If you think having a chip implanted into you to monitor your financial transactions doesn't affect you, then I can't really explain it to you...


Can you be more specific, does RFID contain personal information about me if i had one on me somewhere, im confused, and isnt that against the law? Ill look at wikipedia i guess.
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#44 Hoobinator
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[why try? my mind is not changed.

implant me and my chilldren.

goverments will always lie, cheat and steal from the pople and step on them we can change that as a mass but no one cares enough to change anthing just sit back and complain about things the goverment does instead of making an effort to change it as the mass that is the people.

so therefore my mind stays unchanged on the topic. observer77

No, I will NOT sit back. I will rise up and defeat corrupt, decadent, war mongering, lying, stealing, cheating governments. Justice will prevail. I am Hoobinator.

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#45 observer77
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[QUOTE="observer77"][why try? my mind is not changed.

implant me and my chilldren.

goverments will always lie, cheat and steal from the pople and step on them we can change that as a mass but no one cares enough to change anthing just sit back and complain about things the goverment does instead of making an effort to change it as the mass that is the people.

so therefore my mind stays unchanged on the topic. Hoobinator

No, I will NOT sit back. I will rise up and defeat corrupt, decadent, war mongering, lying, stealing, cheating governments. Justice will prevail. I am Hoobinator.

cheesy much? :lol:

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#46 lucky326
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I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't already being tracked, lets put it that way.
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#47 Hoobinator
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cheesy much? :lol:

observer77

Just a little.:P

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#48 observer77
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[QUOTE="observer77"]

cheesy much? :lol:

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Just a little.:P

that's an understatement...;)

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#49 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="observer77"]

cheesy much? :lol:

observer77

Just a little.:P

that's an understatement...;)

I'd rather be tongue in cheek, but still believe in my message, than be apathetic and let governments do as they please.
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="observer77"] I don't see anything bad about this unless we became a ditatorship or something and they used them to track rebels but I don't see that happening so I believe it is a very smart idea to use them in people and objects. observer77

Your whole argument rests on the simple and unfounded notion that western liberal democratic governments are not going to abuse their power and work for the interests of the people at all times, respect their liberties and in no way, shape or form will ever act against the wishes of the people. That's BS. Give people power and they only want more. Even in a "democracy" or "republic" the people must always check against the excessive wielding of power by governments, corporations and armies.

ok so lets say they are going ot use it for something bad what finding me located at school?

Are you aware of published CIA activities during the Civil Rights Movement? Read up on it, and then consider these are just the facts that got leaked. And you KNOW it's much worse than that after 9/11.

I don't want to be followed by the government for any reason, especially if I were to decide to join a political group that happened to be unpopular with the sitting government.