Does anyone enjoy writing research papers?

Research: ure doin it wrong.

Anyway... yeah, it's pretty boring.

I enjoy it.  

Especially if I am allowed to do it on a topic which I enjoy, or one that I wish to learn more about.  

If it's on a topic that I actually care about, then I actually do enjoy it.  If not, it's for the birds.

Copying stuff from websites, changing it around and then not citing it *IS* plagiarism. It doesn't matter if it is in your own words or not, it is still someone else's idea and if you aren't giving them credit for it, you are stealing it. And that can get you thrown out of a university or college and even prosecuted in court.
foxhound_fox

lol of course you cite it, what do you think a research paper is? duh wtf are you  talking about

No, the TC is pretty much right. At least in the case of writing research papers on topics you know nothing about. Lets say I have to write a paper about the planet Saturn. I don't know anything about it, outside of the fact that its a planet in our solar system. Anything I learn about it during research and then put into my research paper isn't my idea. Its just information I got from somewhere else. With papers like that you aren't supposed to insert your own opinions, because those aren't facts. So unless you know something about the topic on your own, its pretty much just you altering what others have already said. If you break down the paper, almost every sentence should get cited. Its why I can't stand writing research papers. Its all bull ****. 

And I'm not talking about argumentative papers, where you research a side and defend it, and thus are allowed to state and discuss your opinion. I'm talking about informative papers where all you do is explain something (a concept, person, event, etc.) using research. 

I do, if I am writing it myself, of course it takes time, but it feels good to write your own stuff and let others to seehellside

 how is a research paper writing your own stuff? its always the same factual information, you just word it differently than your sources. so basically you would learn as much by just reading a wikipedia page.... unless it some really broad subject in a class other than history/humanities which idk what that would be

No, the TC is pretty much right. At least in the case of writing research papers on topics you know nothing about. Lets say I have to write a paper about the planet Saturn. I don't know anything about it, outside of the fact that its a planet in our solar system. Anything I learn about it during research and then put into my research paper isn't my idea. Its just information I got from somewhere else. With papers like that you aren't supposed to insert your own opinions, because those aren't facts. So unless you know something about the topic on your own, its pretty much just you altering what others have already said. If you break down the paper, almost every sentence should get cited. Its why I can't stand writing research papers. Its all bull ****.Cloud_Insurance

This has been a research paper since 9th grade for me.  

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]No, the TC is pretty much right. At least in the case of writing research papers on topics you know nothing about. Lets say I have to write a paper about the planet Saturn. I don't know anything about it, outside of the fact that its a planet in our solar system. Anything I learn about it during research and then put into my research paper isn't my idea. Its just information I got from somewhere else. With papers like that you aren't supposed to insert your own opinions, because those aren't facts. So unless you know something about the topic on your own, its pretty much just you altering what others have already said. If you break down the paper, almost every sentence should get cited. Its why I can't stand writing research papers. Its all bull ****.FragStains

This has been a research paper since 9th grade for me.  

Well I don't know what to tell you, half the time I am forced to write research papers its not the argumentative type, its just informative. 

I sure as hell don't. They're the most irritating thing about college. Essays and research papers, waste of time, IMO.

meh I dont think they taught us how to do a research paper in high school, all i know is copying stuff and bsing my way through... its worse in college because the teachers tell you to write 5 - 10 pages of worthless stuff just for the hell of it... the education sytem is horrible, even wikipedia doesnt fill up as many pages as required sometimes so you have to write meaningless stuff to fill up the pagesalphaqup03

you should really stop using wikipedia...

[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]meh I dont think they taught us how to do a research paper in high school, all i know is copying stuff and bsing my way through... its worse in college because the teachers tell you to write 5 - 10 pages of worthless stuff just for the hell of it... the education sytem is horrible, even wikipedia doesnt fill up as many pages as required sometimes so you have to write meaningless stuff to fill up the pagesCloud_Insurance

you should really stop using wikipedia...

why is that? the teacher counts it as a valid source and doesnt seem to care so why should i stop since it has more info on the page than about 5 other sites combines that i find on google 

meh I dont think they taught us how to do a research paper in high school, all i know is copying stuff and bsing my way through... its worse in college because the teachers tell you to write 5 - 10 pages of worthless stuff just for the hell of it... the education sytem is horrible, even wikipedia doesnt fill up as many pages as required sometimes so you have to write meaningless stuff to fill up the pagesalphaqup03

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[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]meh I dont think they taught us how to do a research paper in high school, all i know is copying stuff and bsing my way through... its worse in college because the teachers tell you to write 5 - 10 pages of worthless stuff just for the hell of it... the education sytem is horrible, even wikipedia doesnt fill up as many pages as required sometimes so you have to write meaningless stuff to fill up the pagesalphaqup03

you should really stop using wikipedia...

why is that? the teacher counts it as a valid source and doesnt seem to care so why should i stop since it has more info on the page than about 5 other sites combines that i find on google 

Your teacher allows wikipedia? Lol, where the eff do you go to school? I dunno, maybe try using books?

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[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]meh I dont think they taught us how to do a research paper in high school, all i know is copying stuff and bsing my way through... its worse in college because the teachers tell you to write 5 - 10 pages of worthless stuff just for the hell of it... the education sytem is horrible, even wikipedia doesnt fill up as many pages as required sometimes so you have to write meaningless stuff to fill up the pagesalphaqup03

you should really stop using wikipedia...

why is that? the teacher counts it as a valid source and doesnt seem to care so why should i stop since it has more info on the page than about 5 other sites combines that i find on google 

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]meh I dont think they taught us how to do a research paper in high school, all i know is copying stuff and bsing my way through... its worse in college because the teachers tell you to write 5 - 10 pages of worthless stuff just for the hell of it... the education sytem is horrible, even wikipedia doesnt fill up as many pages as required sometimes so you have to write meaningless stuff to fill up the pagesalphaqup03

you should really stop using wikipedia...

why is that? the teacher counts it as a valid source and doesnt seem to care so why should i stop since it has more info on the page than about 5 other sites combines that i find on google 

I think I found why you don't know how to write a proper research paper.

There are several colleges that actually don't recognize or allow Wikipedia as a source for your material.septemberluc

[QUOTE="septemberluc"]There are several colleges that actually don't recognize or allow Wikipedia as a source for your material.FragStains

Go ahead and say it.  I'll agree. :)

i just site it as wikipedia, none of the teachers ive had so far count points off it or anything. they reccomend against it but i do it anyway and i get a decent grade, so idk....alphaqup03

Do you get a choice on the topic?  If so, choose something you are interested in.  

In your case, (and this is strictly from reading your posts in this thread) you don't seem to enjoy learning new things.  You might just have to trudge through writing papers. 

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you should really stop using wikipedia...

FragStains

why is that? the teacher counts it as a valid source and doesnt seem to care so why should i stop since it has more info on the page than about 5 other sites combines that i find on google

I think I found why you don't know how to write a proper research paper.

explain to me then. i know how to find more sites and copy stuff from them, it is all the same info so i dont see what your getting at

[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]i just site it as wikipedia, none of the teachers ive had so far count points off it or anything. they reccomend against it but i do it anyway and i get a decent grade, so idk....FragStains

Do you get a choice on the topic? If so, choose something you are interested in.

In your case, (and this is strictly from reading your posts in this thread) you don't seem to enjoy learning new things. You might just have to trudge through writing papers.

how are you learning new things by writing a paper rather than just reading it. you can learn the same by just reading it on a site, writing a paper is just added waste of time and energy 

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[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]i just site it as wikipedia, none of the teachers ive had so far count points off it or anything. they reccomend against it but i do it anyway and i get a decent grade, so idk....alphaqup03

Do you get a choice on the topic? If so, choose something you are interested in.

In your case, (and this is strictly from reading your posts in this thread) you don't seem to enjoy learning new things. You might just have to trudge through writing papers.

how are you learning new things by writing a paper rather than just reading it. you can learn the same by just reading it on a site, writing a paper is just added waste of time and energy 

I think you'll clearly find that you will retain more of the information if you are putting it into your own words as you type it out yourself than if you're just reading what is in front of you.

You seem to have a hatred of books and other types of paper...

I can't say anything though, I should be writing a research paper right now I can't find the paper to know what we need to write about...  Hopefully she understands...   

no way I don't remember anything about papers i have written in the past, i have forgotton 90% of anything i may have learned all through high school and in the past college classes i have taken despite getting good grades. i dont hate books, i enjoy reading and books, just not school related books especially not history. if it is usefull info that will help me in life than i will read and try to remember it. if it is english or history its boring

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]No, the TC is pretty much right. At least in the case of writing research papers on topics you know nothing about. Lets say I have to write a paper about the planet Saturn. I don't know anything about it, outside of the fact that its a planet in our solar system. Anything I learn about it during research and then put into my research paper isn't my idea. Its just information I got from somewhere else. With papers like that you aren't supposed to insert your own opinions, because those aren't facts. So unless you know something about the topic on your own, its pretty much just you altering what others have already said. If you break down the paper, almost every sentence should get cited. Its why I can't stand writing research papers. Its all bull ****.FragStains

This has been a research paper since 9th grade for me.

Good luck there champ. What, do you have your personal satellite etc? If not, you won't be able to do any personal research on both planets, you have to read other research papers, thus copying their work.

So basically your post is supporting clouds argument, just worded differently, hmm weird.

I hate it. All you do is copy stuff from websites and change it around so it isn't plageurism. I learn nothing.alphaqup03

that is plagarism Research papers are where you take research you have conducted, type it out, then if needed support your hypothesis with citations from other sources. You do not reword thngs other people wrote.

Your findings typed up in a lab report (and supplemented with the findings of prior reports to describe what you may have done wrong) is an example of a research paper. Coming up with a genuine thesis about a book you read in english and supporting it with quotations from said book is another example.

Man, you kids dont know how to write today. Do you even make outlines?

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[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]No, the TC is pretty much right. At least in the case of writing research papers on topics you know nothing about. Lets say I have to write a paper about the planet Saturn. I don't know anything about it, outside of the fact that its a planet in our solar system. Anything I learn about it during research and then put into my research paper isn't my idea. Its just information I got from somewhere else. With papers like that you aren't supposed to insert your own opinions, because those aren't facts. So unless you know something about the topic on your own, its pretty much just you altering what others have already said. If you break down the paper, almost every sentence should get cited. Its why I can't stand writing research papers. Its all bull ****.Dark-Sithious

This has been a research paper since 9th grade for me.

Good luck there champ. What, do you have your personal satellite etc? If not, you won't be able to do any personal research on both planets, you have to read other research papers, thus copying their work.

So basically your post is supporting clouds argument, just worded differently, hmm weird.

Now, how did they get the information?

that's not on me

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[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]No, the TC is pretty much right. At least in the case of writing research papers on topics you know nothing about. Lets say I have to write a paper about the planet Saturn. I don't know anything about it, outside of the fact that its a planet in our solar system. Anything I learn about it during research and then put into my research paper isn't my idea. Its just information I got from somewhere else. With papers like that you aren't supposed to insert your own opinions, because those aren't facts. So unless you know something about the topic on your own, its pretty much just you altering what others have already said. If you break down the paper, almost every sentence should get cited. Its why I can't stand writing research papers. Its all bull ****.Dark-Sithious

This has been a research paper since 9th grade for me.

Good luck there champ. What, do you have your personal satellite etc? If not, you won't be able to do any personal research on both planets, you have to read other research papers, thus copying their work.

So basically your post is supporting clouds argument, just worded differently, hmm weird.

Besides, you don't copy their work.  You use their information to back up your original thesis statement.  You come up with your own ideas, then use facts to support them. ow hard is this to understand? 

[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"][QUOTE="FragStains"]Where I come from you don't write research papers on such broad subjects as Saturn. You develop a thesis about Saturn, such as, 'the atmosphere on Saturn is much harsher on lifeforms than the atmosphere of Mars.' You go and research the atmospheric conditions of both planets, developing the argument you set forth and write your own thoughts about why you think the atmosphere is harsher, using facts to support your claim.

This has been a research paper since 9th grade for me.

FragStains

Good luck there champ. What, do you have your personal satellite etc? If not, you won't be able to do any personal research on both planets, you have to read other research papers, thus copying their work.

So basically your post is supporting clouds argument, just worded differently, hmm weird.

Besides, you don't copy their work. You use their information to back up your original thesis statement. You come up with your own ideas, then use facts to support them. ow hard is this to understand?

You copy their work by using the information that they have gathered, as with own ideas, that would just be speculation and hypothesis as you won't be able to do any personal research on the matter. And if the so called ideas are based on facts, they are not your own ideas, unless you manage to figure out something new based on the information you've gathered, but that's highly unlikely. And coming up with some ridiculous hypothesis that Saturn is a carbon based living space ship from some **** solar system doesn't count.

In other words you are copying their work just wording it differently and maybe adding a little twist, copying from several sources is still copying aswell.

Too avoid copying other ppl's work, you have to personal research, preferably on maybe a new subject, or an angle that hasn't been used before, or expanding an already explored possibility. Like finding out more about a certain plant.

If you're doing a research paper without finding out anything new, it is useless, sure it'll do in highschools and whatnot (calling those research papers is a stretch), but professors won't be impressed by a so called research paper just stating known facts.

I don't know about America, but here in Norway that's how it works, unless I have misunderstood the term research paper, and I am ofc referring to it being used in universities, as calling anything performed on highschools and such as research papers, is by my opinion idiotic.

[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]I hate it. All you do is copy stuff from websites and change it around so it isn't plageurism. I learn nothing.mrbojangles25

that is plagarism Research papers are where you take research you have conducted, type it out, then if needed support your hypothesis with citations from other sources. You do not reword thngs other people wrote.

Your findings typed up in a lab report (and supplemented with the findings of prior reports to describe what you may have done wrong) is an example of a research paper. Coming up with a genuine thesis about a book you read in english and supporting it with quotations from said book is another example.

Man, you kids dont know how to write today. Do you even make outlines?

You copy their work by using the information that they have gathered, as with own ideas, that would just be speculation and hypothesis as you won't be able to do any personal research on the matter. And if the so called ideas are based on facts, they are not your own ideas, unless you manage to figure out something new based on the information you've gathered, but that's highly unlikely. And coming up with some ridiculous hypothesis that Saturn is a carbon based living space ship from some **** solar system doesn't count.

In other words you are copying their work just wording it differently and maybe adding a little twist, copying from several sources is still copying aswell.

Too avoid copying other ppl's work, you have to personal research, preferably on maybe a new subject, or an angle that hasn't been used before, or expanding an already explored possibility. Like finding out more about a certain plant.

If you're doing a research paper without finding out anything new, it is useless, sure it'll do in highschools and whatnot (calling those research papers is a stretch), but professors won't be impressed by a so called research paper just stating known facts.

I don't know about America, but here in Norway that's how it works, unless I have misunderstood the term research paper, and I am ofc referring to it being used in universities, as calling anything performed on highschools and such as research papers, is by my opinion idiotic.

I've done all three kinds.  In addition, I have done a Thesis Project in college.  This required a full year of work (research and writing).  I think that is closer to what you are referring to as a research paper.

Nevertheless, you are using published information to support your own claims.  For example, I did a research paper last year.  My own (original) argument was that prisons should be designed to punish criminals, rather than comfort them."  I did research on how prisons had been designed over human civilization, the affects of said designs, and finally I proposed my own ideas of what should constitute a prison that would support my original claim.  Of course, you use others information (giving credit by citing them), but you also should be putting forth your own conclusions and observations of the research. 

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You copy their work by using the information that they have gathered, as with own ideas, that would just be speculation and hypothesis as you won't be able to do any personal research on the matter. And if the so called ideas are based on facts, they are not your own ideas, unless you manage to figure out something new based on the information you've gathered, but that's highly unlikely. And coming up with some ridiculous hypothesis that Saturn is a carbon based living space ship from some **** solar system doesn't count.

In other words you are copying their work just wording it differently and maybe adding a little twist, copying from several sources is still copying aswell.

Too avoid copying other ppl's work, you have to personal research, preferably on maybe a new subject, or an angle that hasn't been used before, or expanding an already explored possibility. Like finding out more about a certain plant.

If you're doing a research paper without finding out anything new, it is useless, sure it'll do in highschools and whatnot (calling those research papers is a stretch), but professors won't be impressed by a so called research paper just stating known facts.

I don't know about America, but here in Norway that's how it works, unless I have misunderstood the term research paper, and I am ofc referring to it being used in universities, as calling anything performed on highschools and such as research papers, is by my opinion idiotic.

FragStains

I've done all three kinds. In addition, I have done a Thesis Project in college. This required a full year of work (research and writing). I think that is closer to what you are referring to as a research paper.

Nevertheless, you are using published information to support your own claims. For example, I did a research paper last year. My own (original) argument was that prisons should be designed to punish criminals, rather than comfort them." I did research on how prisons had been designed over human civilization, the affects of said designs, and finally I proposed my own ideas of what should constitute a prison that would support my original claim. Of course, you use others information (giving credit by citing them), but you also should be putting forth your own conclusions and observations of the research.

I can't say your link explained the three main types, or at least I didn't get it. Either way, I agree with your last post and the methods used in your research paper example. A fine example of how to write a paper, even though I disagree with your conclusion completly. (Not going to tell you why, as it would require effort, but I recommend you to watch blood in blood out)

Anyway, I was merely disagreeing with your saturn example, as I fail to see how any of "these" methods can be applied in that scenario.

You're doing it wrong. I don't much care for writing research papers, either, but if you put together a research plan and make the work truly your own, you'll feel much better about it in the end. Elraptor

I love writing them. Presenting the papers to an audience is great too.

Copying stuff from websites, changing it around and then not citing it *IS* plagiarism. It doesn't matter if it is in your own words or not, it is still someone else's idea and if you aren't giving them credit for it, you are stealing it. And that can get you thrown out of a university or college and even prosecuted in court.

I very much enjoy writing papers even if I end up procrastinating them until the last minute. I just finished two papers yesterday and Sunday, both of which were very well written. I don't enjoy the research process as much as I do the writing and having the argument come together around the thesis with the supportive evidence. Which is probably why I enjoy writing papers that have sources provided and a direct goal for the assignment in question rather than a broad, glazing statement-like assignment. Such as "contextualize one of these ten concepts in the novel Dracula by using the provided definitions" over "write a paper on Dracula."foxhound_fox

ugh i hate it......we're writing one in english right now....it isnt do for 2 months thank god

im doing it on Global Warming

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[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]I hate it. All you do is copy stuff from websites and change it around so it isn't plageurism. I learn nothing.Notsogr8one

that is plagarism Research papers are where you take research you have conducted, type it out, then if needed support your hypothesis with citations from other sources. You do not reword thngs other people wrote.

Your findings typed up in a lab report (and supplemented with the findings of prior reports to describe what you may have done wrong) is an example of a research paper. Coming up with a genuine thesis about a book you read in english and supporting it with quotations from said book is another example.

Man, you kids dont know how to write today. Do you even make outlines?

ya they need to get the MLA format to kids earlier. Writing, imo, is so much fun whether its for creativity or research. I always failed my multiple choice test, but I aced my essay tests. Its just a better way to learn because you take information, do research, only you format it into something that makes sense to you.

Like I said, thats just me. But the only downside to writing is it takes time.

Copying stuff from websites, changing it around and then not citing it *IS* plagiarism. It doesn't matter if it is in your own words or not, it is still someone else's idea and if you aren't giving them credit for it, you are stealing it. And that can get you thrown out of a university or college and even prosecuted in court.

I very much enjoy writing papers even if I end up procrastinating them until the last minute. I just finished two papers yesterday and Sunday, both of which were very well written. I don't enjoy the research process as much as I do the writing and having the argument come together around the thesis with the supportive evidence. Which is probably why I enjoy writing papers that have sources provided and a direct goal for the assignment in question rather than a broad, glazing statement-like assignment. Such as "contextualize one of these ten concepts in the novel Dracula by using the provided definitions" over "write a paper on Dracula."foxhound_fox

if its not said the exact same way its not provable plagerism so your really in the clear.

also I dont really like doing the research myself but when Im putting it all down and trying to figure out where each paragraph should go in the paper so it flows as best it can then I kinda enjoy it

Its not that bad.

I did enjoy my most recent paper in my business law class.