Does anything exist outside of our mind?

Everything outside of our mind is a mere perception. Our mind creates a reality based on what we can perceive; but what is it that we perceive?

the answer to that question is at the bottom of the glass..

If nothing existed outside the mind then perceptual testing would be all over the chart. As it is, everyone pretty much perceives like stimuli the same as any other person. Therefore, yes.

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The universe exists outside our mind. It's existence is not contingent on our ability to perceive it.Zeviander

i got bad news, your senses and your brain are in a perpetual tug of war and what you eventually consider as reality is most likely pretty far from the mark of what is actually going on around you.

in other words your senses can never pick up enough information to really let you know whats going  on and your brain fills in the missing pieces by just making stuff up  and on top of that your brain is mostly too busy telling you how great you are to do a decent job on the actual nature of reality.

go ahead and test it.

the next time you see a stranger on the street if you even notice them at all try and see if you can notice how your brain just makes up a bunch of bullshyt about that person and what a piece of shyt that person probably is in comparason to how ****ing great you are.

where does that crap come from? the same place as everything else you think comes from. from nowhere.

i got bad news, your senses and your brain are in a perpetual tug of war and what you eventually consider as reality is most likely pretty far from the mark of what is actually going on around you.

in other words your senses can never pick up enough information to really let you know whats going  on and your brain fills in the missing pieces by just making stuff up  and on top of that your brain is mostly too busy telling you how great you are to do a decent job on the actual nature of reality.

Riverwolf007

What we perceive is what shapes our reality.

If nothing existed outside the mind then perceptual testing would be all over the chart. As it is, everyone pretty much perceives like stimuli the same as any other person. Therefore, yes.br0kenrabbit

Well if nothing exists outside my mind then I gotta say I'm pretty goddamn creative.

Well if nothing exists outside my mind then I gotta say I'm pretty goddamn creative.

worlock77

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i got bad news, your senses and your brain are in a perpetual tug of war and what you eventually consider as reality is most likely pretty far from the mark of what is actually going on around you.

in other words your senses can never pick up enough information to really let you know whats going  on and your brain fills in the missing pieces by just making stuff up  and on top of that your brain is mostly too busy telling you how great you are to do a decent job on the actual nature of reality.

Primordialous

What we perceive is what shapes our reality.

it has nothing to do with reality.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well if nothing exists outside my mind then I gotta say I'm pretty goddamn creative.

ferrari2001

In other words: we cannot prove or disprove that anything exists outside of our mind. But if that were true...

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well if nothing exists outside my mind then I gotta say I'm pretty goddamn creative.

ferrari2001

Even if my mind is completely and utterly mistaken then that means it still imagined the entire Universe and everything in itas it exists (at least to my mind). So again, pretty creative.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]If nothing existed outside the mind then perceptual testing would be all over the chart. As it is, everyone pretty much perceives like stimuli the same as any other person. Therefore, yes.cheese_game619

Been there, done lots of that. An inebriated brain isn't a baseline for anything.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well if nothing exists outside my mind then I gotta say I'm pretty goddamn creative.

Primordialous

In other words: we cannot prove or disprove that anything exists outside of our mind. But if that were true...

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well if nothing exists outside my mind then I gotta say I'm pretty goddamn creative.

ferrari2001

That is still going on the assumption that the neural and somatosensory perception is manipulated by something outside of what we can perceive. Such a thought experiment only concedes that outside stimuli is necessary for a perception of reality to be possible.

First thing that came to mind:

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather. -Bill Hicks

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well if nothing exists outside my mind then I gotta say I'm pretty goddamn creative.

SirWander

That is still going on the assumption that the neural and somatosensory perception is manipulated by something outside of what we can perceive. Such a thought experiment only concedes that outside stimuli is necessary for a perception of reality to be possible.

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Not necessarily, you could be a program being fed information or some sort of powerful being could be placing thoughts into your mind. Or your mind is completely and utterly mistaken about reality and what you are seeing isn't actually reality just as much as your brain can make of it. ferrari2001

That is still going on the assumption that the neural and somatosensory perception is manipulated by something outside of what we can perceive. Such a thought experiment only concedes that outside stimuli is necessary for a perception of reality to be possible.

How do we perceive perception? And how do we perceive perception of perception?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="SirWander"]

That is still going on the assumption that the neural and somatosensory perception is manipulated by something outside of what we can perceive. Such a thought experiment only concedes that outside stimuli is necessary for a perception of reality to be possible.

Primordialous

How do we perceive perception? And how do we perceive perception of perception?

[QUOTE="Primordialous"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Why does there have to be neural perception. Do we have to have neural anything? Could we not be just minds floating in a vacuum or code in a computer receiving information making us believe we actually have perception in the first place. Perception itself could actually be an illusion. ferrari2001

How do we perceive perception? And how do we perceive perception of perception?

Everything is ridiculous.

Yes.  Delving too deep into such an idea, you're bound to go crazy though

Yes.  Delving too deep into such an idea, you're bound to go crazy though

wis3boi

I will embrace it.

Yes.  Delving too deep into such an idea, you're bound to go crazy though

wis3boi

Why does there have to be neural perception. Do we have to have neural anything? Could we not be just minds floating in a vacuum or code in a computer receiving information making us believe we actually have perception in the first place. Perception itself could actually be an illusion. ferrari2001

Going on the assumption that you aren't really pulling things out of your ass and just playing with semantics: The neural network it is by far the most efficient and compact way of storing information that is known to mankind, so yes the neural network is definitely necessary for our ability to gather and store information about outside stimuli. Even if you are nothing but a brain in a vat, there needs to be something to process the information that is being fed. We could be, that doesn't eliminate the need for a space that exists outside our minds/code to be manipulating our senses.

Our perception is limited as is; we cannot see the full spectrum of light, smell every smell, hear every sound. That gives a limited perception of the world/universe around us. To that point, it can be said that our perception is an illusion as it is based on limited information on what is really there. That doesn't make the illusion any more false than it makes it the truth.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Yes.  Delving too deep into such an idea, you're bound to go crazy though

ferrari2001

Depends on what you're talking about.  Existing things beyond our mind, do we exist at all, etc......that stuff is a waste of time

Been there, done lots of that. An inebriated brain isn't a baseline for anything.br0kenrabbit

the answer to that question is at the bottom of the glass..

idunnodude

i dont drink out of a glass anymore.

I am not high enoug or this thread. I am only on sleepign pills, and it doesnt take me to that place...

If nothing existed outside the mind then perceptual testing would be all over the chart. As it is, everyone pretty much perceives like stimuli the same as any other person. Therefore, yes.

 

br0kenrabbit

Be right back, time to pack a bowl.

Here is a question for you, when you die, does everything still exist? Or does it die with you?

But if everything that exists is just my imagination how come I can't get laid with Megan Fox :(kuraimen

I wouldn't describe myself as a solipsist, but I do think that solipsism asks a meaningful question (yet at the same time gives a pretty awful answer) - i.e. what the fvck is going on? On its face it's a painfully naive question, but a lot of the time the most naive of questions are the most meaningful ones. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I wouldn't describe myself as a solipsist, but I do think that solipsism asks a meaningful question (yet at the same time gives a pretty awful answer) - i.e. what the fvck is going on? On its face it's a painfully naive question, but a lot of the time the most naive of questions are the most meaningful ones. xscrapzx

The only purpose is the one you give it.  Looking for a universal purpose is a fruitless endeavor

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I wouldn't describe myself as a solipsist, but I do think that solipsism asks a meaningful question (yet at the same time gives a pretty awful answer) - i.e. what the fvck is going on? On its face it's a painfully naive question, but a lot of the time the most naive of questions are the most meaningful ones. xscrapzx

Absolute mind exists. Otherwise there would be no objective or coherent world.

the answer to that question is at the bottom of the glass..

idunnodude

I see what you did there...

The opposite is true.  Our mind doesn't conjure reality.  Reality is already here and our mind just translates it into something we can interact with.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]Been there, done lots of that. An inebriated brain isn't a baseline for anything.cheese_game619