Does good and evil exist?

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#1 snoopeymaster
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OK, so this is a thing that bothers me a lot.

When we humans calls things good or evil, its very irrational.

When you think about it, everything can be good, and everything can be evil. For example:

The terrorist killing American Soldiers thinks he is doing good, but the American killing terrorist think he is doing good, while they both think the other person is evil.

So how can good and evil exist when both parties think they are good?

I mean people do things because they think its the right thing to do, No one would ever do something they consider "evil"

So in my humble opinion, good and evil do not exist and are nothing but mere illusions,

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

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#2 Diablo112688
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It all comes down to perception.
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#3 Alpha_Soldier
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It all comes down to perception. Diablo112688
Exactly!
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#4 quiglythegreat
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Everything is essentially the same.
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#5 g-unit248
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it's just a set of adjectives applied to different social norms, i think you are reading too much into it
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it just makes me so bad when people are like " oh he/she/it is so evil" or " they are the bad guys" or any of that BS

it just kills me to see people dont understand such a simple concept that good and evil are just illusions

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#7 ShadowFlood
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It depends on what you believe, so personally, in my beliefs, there is a good and there is an evil. but neither is really physical, but they revolve around acts and ideas, for instance, a human body is not good nor evil but can do both.
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#8 david_critic
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It is all about perception mostly, but I think that there are people who are evil. I mean, I would hope nobody in their right mind would think pedophiles or serial killers are good people.

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#9 Bulldog19892
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It's all perception. There is no good and evil, only shades of gray.
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#10 metaldude05
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i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist
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#11 -Twilight-
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So, if both parties disagree on what is good and evil, it doesn't exsist? Good and evil do exsist, they're just different things to different people.
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#12 aaronmullan
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Dosent really exist. Just peoples opinions on the person.
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#13 quiglythegreat
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I think it is perception, it's the perception that things are different, which is all based on the silly inconsistencies of the transitory physical world.
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#15 NaiKoN9293
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yes i totally agree with TC. Its all about ones point of view, nothing is good and nothing is evil. But somethings are considered 'evil' by larger % of people than other things, which gives us the illusion that something really is evil, when it's really not.
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i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist metaldude05

I agree. There are certainly acts of evil committed...or if you prefer to call them sociopathic, fine. There are acts that are committed that no matter how you choose to label them, they are extremely bad to any rational human. Take the holocaust of the Jewish people in WWII. Take the genocide in Rwanda. edit, Take what was done to people for the sake of blood diamonds in Sierra Leone and Angola. Take the crimes committed by Unit 731 in Japan. Take Ted Bundy's rape and murder career. Take Jeffrey Dahmer's love of murdering, raping and eating boys. I could go on. Other's could add to this list I'm sure. There is a lot of evil in the world. To say everything is gray and open to interpretation is ridiculous. There are good and bad acts, that are blindingly black and white.

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#17 diped
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I don't do things because I think its the right thing to do. I've done tons of things where I have known it is not the right thing to do, but I did it anyway. Everyone has.

Good and Evil do exist for each individual. It really depends on your moral values and your conscience.
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[QUOTE="metaldude05"]i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist WildstarGoethe

I agree. There are certainly acts of evil committed...or if you prefer to call them sociopathic, fine. There are acts that are committed that no matter how you choose to label them, they are extremely bad to any rational human. Take the holocaust of the Jewish people in WWII. Take the genocide in Rwanda. edit, Take what was done to people for the sake of blood diamonds in Sierra Leone and Angola. Take the crimes committed by Unit 731 in Japan. Take Ted Bundy's rape and murder career. Take Jeffrey Dahmer's love of murdering, raping and eating boys. I could go on. Other's could add to this list I'm sure. There is a lot of evil in the world. To say everything is gray and open to interpretation is ridiculous. There are good and bad acts, that are blindingly black and white.

The question of good and evil is one that philosphers throughout history have struggled with. Good and Evil are completely subjective, based on your society, your religion, and your culture. I still believe that everyone should agree that life is sacred, and to take that away from someone is Evil. However, at the same turn, does the motives of that murder change it from evil to good? For example, during the Crusades (I won't use radical islam as an example, the extent of their perversion of their own religion is too outlandish for me to use it as an analogy) the knights thought what they were doing was noble, "God's Work." However, another question will arise. Simply because they personally think their cause is noble, does that make it right? Charles Manson thought he was doing what was right and necessary when he brainwashed those girls and convinced them to kill. The questions of good and evil will only lead you to more questions.

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You can do something that's good or evil (for example, murder is evil, and i don't think it can be justified except maybe for war), but actions alone don't really make someone who or what they are.
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#20 freek666
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Its different for each person. There is good and evil in every one of us, it just depends on your perception of what actions you associate with them. Although there are just some things you do not do.
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Morality is an illusion created by the living. Good and evil like most things are subjective.
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Ofc i believe they exist, im a catholic it would be wrong if i didnt.
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[QUOTE="WildstarGoethe"]

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist RiSkyBiZ-13

I agree. There are certainly acts of evil committed...or if you prefer to call them sociopathic, fine. There are acts that are committed that no matter how you choose to label them, they are extremely bad to any rational human. Take the holocaust of the Jewish people in WWII. Take the genocide in Rwanda. edit, Take what was done to people for the sake of blood diamonds in Sierra Leone and Angola. Take the crimes committed by Unit 731 in Japan. Take Ted Bundy's rape and murder career. Take Jeffrey Dahmer's love of murdering, raping and eating boys. I could go on. Other's could add to this list I'm sure. There is a lot of evil in the world. To say everything is gray and open to interpretation is ridiculous. There are good and bad acts, that are blindingly black and white.

The question of good and evil is one that philosphers throughout history have struggled with. Good and Evil are completely subjective, based on your society, your religion, and your culture. I still believe that everyone should agree that life is sacred, and to take that away from someone is Evil. However, at the same turn, does the motives of that murder change it from evil to good? For example, during the Crusades (I won't use radical islam as an example, the extent of their perversion of their own religion is too outlandish for me to use it as an analogy) the knights thought what they were doing was noble, "God's Work." However, another question will arise. Simply because they personally think their cause is noble, does that make it right? Charles Manson thought he was doing what was right and necessary when he brainwashed those girls and convinced them to kill. The questions of good and evil will only lead you to more questions.

Okay. I agree. Philosophy aside, let's talk basic right and wrong, regardless of how people who commit atrocious acts lie to themselves by rationalizing their sick behavior. As a rational, sane member of the human race, would you say that the Crusades were good or bad? Was what Charles Manson did with the aid of his followers good or bad?

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Of course it exists, just like any other metaphor in the world, it was created to describe something. People who do "good" things are good and vice versa.
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Some would say that good and evil don't exist. That all that exists is choices and consequences to those choices. Others may view your choices as good and evil based upon what affect the choices have on them.
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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="WildstarGoethe"]

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist WildstarGoethe

I agree. There are certainly acts of evil committed...or if you prefer to call them sociopathic, fine. There are acts that are committed that no matter how you choose to label them, they are extremely bad to any rational human. Take the holocaust of the Jewish people in WWII. Take the genocide in Rwanda. edit, Take what was done to people for the sake of blood diamonds in Sierra Leone and Angola. Take the crimes committed by Unit 731 in Japan. Take Ted Bundy's rape and murder career. Take Jeffrey Dahmer's love of murdering, raping and eating boys. I could go on. Other's could add to this list I'm sure. There is a lot of evil in the world. To say everything is gray and open to interpretation is ridiculous. There are good and bad acts, that are blindingly black and white.

The question of good and evil is one that philosphers throughout history have struggled with. Good and Evil are completely subjective, based on your society, your religion, and your culture. I still believe that everyone should agree that life is sacred, and to take that away from someone is Evil. However, at the same turn, does the motives of that murder change it from evil to good? For example, during the Crusades (I won't use radical islam as an example, the extent of their perversion of their own religion is too outlandish for me to use it as an analogy) the knights thought what they were doing was noble, "God's Work." However, another question will arise. Simply because they personally think their cause is noble, does that make it right? Charles Manson thought he was doing what was right and necessary when he brainwashed those girls and convinced them to kill. The questions of good and evil will only lead you to more questions.

Okay. I agree. Philosophy aside, let's talk basic right and wrong, regardless of how people who commit atrocious acts lie to themselves by rationalizing their sick behavior. As a rational, sane member of the human race, would you say that the Crusades were good or bad? Was what Charles Manson did with the aid of his followers good or bad?

personally i think the crusades were selfish (so bad) and of course what charles manson did was bad (evil) but obviously the crusaders and manson thought they were right. personally i think right and wrong is tought as a child and learned with expierience. there is just so much that goes on with the perception of what is right or wrong. for example society environment, people all affect ones perception of right and wrong but i definitely think they exist. maybe you could say they exist in a persons mind values or ideas idk

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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="WildstarGoethe"]

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist WildstarGoethe

I agree. There are certainly acts of evil committed...or if you prefer to call them sociopathic, fine. There are acts that are committed that no matter how you choose to label them, they are extremely bad to any rational human. Take the holocaust of the Jewish people in WWII. Take the genocide in Rwanda. edit, Take what was done to people for the sake of blood diamonds in Sierra Leone and Angola. Take the crimes committed by Unit 731 in Japan. Take Ted Bundy's rape and murder career. Take Jeffrey Dahmer's love of murdering, raping and eating boys. I could go on. Other's could add to this list I'm sure. There is a lot of evil in the world. To say everything is gray and open to interpretation is ridiculous. There are good and bad acts, that are blindingly black and white.

The question of good and evil is one that philosphers throughout history have struggled with. Good and Evil are completely subjective, based on your society, your religion, and your culture. I still believe that everyone should agree that life is sacred, and to take that away from someone is Evil. However, at the same turn, does the motives of that murder change it from evil to good? For example, during the Crusades (I won't use radical islam as an example, the extent of their perversion of their own religion is too outlandish for me to use it as an analogy) the knights thought what they were doing was noble, "God's Work." However, another question will arise. Simply because they personally think their cause is noble, does that make it right? Charles Manson thought he was doing what was right and necessary when he brainwashed those girls and convinced them to kill. The questions of good and evil will only lead you to more questions.

Okay. I agree. Philosophy aside, let's talk basic right and wrong, regardless of how people who commit atrocious acts lie to themselves by rationalizing their sick behavior. As a rational, sane member of the human race, would you say that the Crusades were good or bad? Was what Charles Manson did with the aid of his followers good or bad?

You can't put philosphy aside when you're in a discussion about good vs. evil or right vs. wrong. What makes an act atrocious? For you and I, it's an easy answer. Murder, rape, sodomy, the list can go on and on. But how do we come to that conclusion? It is engrained in our society, how we were raised, the world around us, the influence of religion and media, that list also goes on and on. On terms of Charles Manson, I will personally say what he did was wrong. He was insane. However, I came by that answer using the perspective I have from being raised in this generation, in this country, with a LOT of Catholic background.

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So, if both parties disagree on what is good and evil, it doesn't exsist? Good and evil do exsist, they're just different things to different people.-Twilight-

Sir, where did you get the image on your signature? Because I'm pretty sure I know who's cropped-off forehead that is floating in the middle of the screen.

As for the post- let's not have an existential meltdown here, this IS still Gamespot, where people are calling each other cows, sheep, and whatever the other one is....

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it just makes me so bad when people are like " oh he/she/it is so evil" or " they are the bad guys" or any of that BS

it just kills me to see people dont understand such a simple concept that good and evil are just illusions

snoopeymaster

Uh no..its peoples opinions. You may understand that the terrorist killed because he thought he was doing good. But thats only good in the context of his belief. And apparently yours. So what do you say to people if you were asked your opinion on any of the wars?

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it just makes me so bad when people are like " oh he/she/it is so evil" or " they are the bad guys" or any of that BS

it just kills me to see people dont understand such a simple concept that good and evil are just illusions

snoopeymaster

So you're basically saying that the world would be a better place if nobody had any morals whatsoever. That would be total survival of the fittest, doesn't sound like a good time to me. This world was founded on beliefs, on people's opinions of good and evil. It's an important thing to consider.

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If you repeatedly tell the truth - people will trust you more

If you never steal - people will trust that you wont take their goods

If your non violent - people will feel safe around you

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If you repeatedly lie - no one will trust you

If you repeatedly steal - no one will trust you with their goods

If you repeatedly kill - no one will feel safe around you

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Yes, i think good and evil exist. And there's an example of how you can tell. If you take anything and imagine it being done many times, if the outcome is positive, chances are its a good thing. And vice versa.

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I don't see how it could, and I don't see how it's possible to prove that it does.
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I don't think anything can be 100% evil or 100% good. :?
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If you repeatedly tell the truth - people will trust you more

If you never steal - people will trust that you wont take their goods

If your non violent - people will feel safe around you

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If you repeatedly lie - no one will trust you

If you repeatedly steal - no one will trust you with their goods

If you repeatedly kill - no one will feel safe around you

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Yes, i think good and evil exist. And there's an example of how you can tell. If you take anything and imagine it being done many times, if the outcome is positive, chances are its a good thing. And vice versa.

Silenthps

That isn't necessarily proving anything about the existence of good and evil. you're simply showing the standards of most civilized countries' societies and what they currently believe.

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

If you repeatedly tell the truth - people will trust you more

If you never steal - people will trust that you wont take their goods

If your non violent - people will feel safe around you

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If you repeatedly lie - no one will trust you

If you repeatedly steal - no one will trust you with their goods

If you repeatedly kill - no one will feel safe around you

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Yes, i think good and evil exist. And there's an example of how you can tell. If you take anything and imagine it being done many times, if the outcome is positive, chances are its a good thing. And vice versa.

RiSkyBiZ-13

That isn't necessarily proving anything about the existence of good and evil. you're simply showing the standards of most civilized countries' societies and what they currently believe.

So you don't think its completely natural for a human to not trust a person who has never told the truth in their life?
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Do the soldiers think that the terrorists are evil, or do they think that the terrorists are a threat to our nation's security?
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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

If you repeatedly tell the truth - people will trust you more

If you never steal - people will trust that you wont take their goods

If your non violent - people will feel safe around you

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If you repeatedly lie - no one will trust you

If you repeatedly steal - no one will trust you with their goods

If you repeatedly kill - no one will feel safe around you

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Yes, i think good and evil exist. And there's an example of how you can tell. If you take anything and imagine it being done many times, if the outcome is positive, chances are its a good thing. And vice versa.

Silenthps

That isn't necessarily proving anything about the existence of good and evil. you're simply showing the standards of most civilized countries' societies and what they currently believe.

So you don't think its completely natural for a human to not trust a person who has never told the truth in their life?

I think it's completely natural. I would personally not trust them. I am a very skeptical person, and I don't trust many people at all, but all of that is off topic. Just because I personally don't trust a liar doesn't mean that lying is EVIL. What is evil? That is the topic.

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Do the soldiers think that the terrorists are evil, or do they think that the terrorists are a threat to our nation's security?Welkabonz

Soldiers follow orders. They're busy defending themselves against attacks from terrorists than to consider if the entire campaign is good or evil.

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Soldiers follow orders. They're busy defending themselves against attacks from terrorists than to consider if the entire campaign is good or evil.

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Yet many still retain opinions.
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#40 RiSkyBiZ-13
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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]

Soldiers follow orders. They're busy defending themselves against attacks from terrorists than to consider if the entire campaign is good or evil.

Welkabonz

Yet many still retain opinions.

Agreed. Soldiers will have their own personal experiences of their deployments that will shape their opinions. They also have their own philosophies on good and evil that will measure against their conscience. Also, there is a religion aspect to take into account- a Catholic will feel more remorse than an Athiest. However, the moral implications of the war in Iraq is totally off topic and has nothing to do with the thread. We're talking about what makes something good, and what makes something evil. We're not trying to decide if the war is good or evil.

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

If you repeatedly tell the truth - people will trust you more

If you never steal - people will trust that you wont take their goods

If your non violent - people will feel safe around you

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If you repeatedly lie - no one will trust you

If you repeatedly steal - no one will trust you with their goods

If you repeatedly kill - no one will feel safe around you

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Yes, i think good and evil exist. And there's an example of how you can tell. If you take anything and imagine it being done many times, if the outcome is positive, chances are its a good thing. And vice versa.

RiSkyBiZ-13

That isn't necessarily proving anything about the existence of good and evil. you're simply showing the standards of most civilized countries' societies and what they currently believe.

So you don't think its completely natural for a human to not trust a person who has never told the truth in their life?

I think it's completely natural. I would personally not trust them. I am a very skeptical person, and I don't trust many people at all, but all of that is off topic. Just because I personally don't trust a liar doesn't mean that lying is EVIL. What is evil? That is the topic.

Well I guess, according to the logic I used it could be something that over time could negatively affect you or the survival of your race?

There has to be some form of natural good and natural evil that's not just due to somebody's moral beliefs. Otherwise, how would the first ever humans who relied solely on their primative instincts, come to conclusions that certain things are right and certain things are wrong? How could the moral versions of good and evil exist without the natural versions existing before it?

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#42 WildstarGoethe
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[QUOTE="WildstarGoethe"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="WildstarGoethe"]

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist RiSkyBiZ-13

I agree. There are certainly acts of evil committed...or if you prefer to call them sociopathic, fine. There are acts that are committed that no matter how you choose to label them, they are extremely bad to any rational human. Take the holocaust of the Jewish people in WWII. Take the genocide in Rwanda. edit, Take what was done to people for the sake of blood diamonds in Sierra Leone and Angola. Take the crimes committed by Unit 731 in Japan. Take Ted Bundy's rape and murder career. Take Jeffrey Dahmer's love of murdering, raping and eating boys. I could go on. Other's could add to this list I'm sure. There is a lot of evil in the world. To say everything is gray and open to interpretation is ridiculous. There are good and bad acts, that are blindingly black and white.

The question of good and evil is one that philosphers throughout history have struggled with. Good and Evil are completely subjective, based on your society, your religion, and your culture. I still believe that everyone should agree that life is sacred, and to take that away from someone is Evil. However, at the same turn, does the motives of that murder change it from evil to good? For example, during the Crusades (I won't use radical islam as an example, the extent of their perversion of their own religion is too outlandish for me to use it as an analogy) the knights thought what they were doing was noble, "God's Work." However, another question will arise. Simply because they personally think their cause is noble, does that make it right? Charles Manson thought he was doing what was right and necessary when he brainwashed those girls and convinced them to kill. The questions of good and evil will only lead you to more questions.

Okay. I agree. Philosophy aside, let's talk basic right and wrong, regardless of how people who commit atrocious acts lie to themselves by rationalizing their sick behavior. As a rational, sane member of the human race, would you say that the Crusades were good or bad? Was what Charles Manson did with the aid of his followers good or bad?

You can't put philosphy aside when you're in a discussion about good vs. evil or right vs. wrong. What makes an act atrocious? For you and I, it's an easy answer. Murder, rape, sodomy, the list can go on and on. But how do we come to that conclusion? It is engrained in our society, how we were raised, the world around us, the influence of religion and media, that list also goes on and on. On terms of Charles Manson, I will personally say what he did was wrong. He was insane. However, I came by that answer using the perspective I have from being raised in this generation, in this country, with a LOT of Catholic background.

I agree with you there too. I guess I was just trying to point out that sometimes there is no gray area. Sometimes, the things people do to each other are just plain bad. Of course we are influenced by our environments and what we are taught. Still, some people who are taught what is morally right and wrong as children, ignore what they are taught by rationalizing their bad behavior as adults. Most people are taught from an early age that it is wrong to murder people, but throughout history we have cases of individuals on up to national groups that have murdered untold millions by rationalizing that what they were doing is right. In the case of Charles Manson, I don't think it matters what country, generation or religious background you have...Charles Manson was insane and what he did is wrong. I think anyone, regardless of their background would recognize that. Despite differences in culture, religion, socioeconomics, nationality et cetera, there are undeniable commonalities among human beings. Most humans can differentiate right from wrong. The problem is that a lot of humans self-delude themselves into thinking that the bad things they do are justified. Us humans lie to ourselves. It becomes incredibly worse when entire national groups start doing it.

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#43 foxhound_fox
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You are correct. Morals are completely subjective. However, when you violate the natural rights of another person (such as the right to live) then that is at least "wrong."
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#44 dracula_16
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Yes but not in the religion sense. There are no such things as spirits, demons or angels in other words.
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#45 DarkAlucard666
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I don't believe in good and evil. If you feel guilty for something I guess it's evil? If you feel good for something I guess its good? The thing I hate is how people want us to be good. for example school! you can't curse? I don't get that! you can say darn but not damn! there is no #$^#ing difference! there just made up words! now on topic. some people are raise different and think being evil is good. so... I guess you can call them illusions.