Does Hilary have a chance?

Just wanted to see everyone's feelings on the subject. She's obviously gonna get the democratic nomination, but how many people really want her to win?

It has nothing to do with her being a woman, I wouldn't vote for anyone with ideas as bad as her's. She tries to make it seem like women should vote 4 her just because she's a woman. She flip-flops on issues worse than John Kerry ever did. Universal healthcare, illegal immigration reform and the shrinking of our US military? All ideas that she supports that just don't sit right with me.

But these are just my opinions, I'm interested in hearing all of yours as well. I didn't post to offend or be flamed, I just wanted to see where this country stands on the subject.

She will beat any republican other than Ron Paul.

Ron Paul would win in a landslide, but if not Hillary winds by a substantial margin against Giulianni or Romney

I still can't believe people actually want her to win. She practically tells people she'll take away more freedom, and they still like her.

Hillary: I'm going to take things away from you for the common good!

Random guy: Hey, if it's for the common good.

Anyway, I'm thinking that she just might have a chance, and if that happens, you can kiss your liberties goodbye.nuclear_cookout

If Hillary wins, hello Canada! :)

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[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]I still can't believe people actually want her to win. She practically tells people she'll take away more freedom, and they still like her.

Hillary: I'm going to take things away from you for the common good!

Random guy: Hey, if it's for the common good.

Anyway, I'm thinking that she just might have a chance, and if that happens, you can kiss your liberties goodbye.tomxizor

If Hillary wins, hello Canada! :)

you too, eh?

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Bill900

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I still can't believe people actually want her to win. She practically tells people she'll take away more freedom, and they still like her.

BUSH: I'm going to take things away from you for the common good!

Blind Supporters, and people who are generally stupid: Hey, if it's for the common good.

Anyway, I'm thinking that she just might have a chance, and if that happens, you can kiss your liberties goodbye.nuclear_cookout

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[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]I still can't believe people actually want her to win. She practically tells people she'll take away more freedom, and they still like her.

BUSH: I'm going to take things away from you for the common good!

Blind Supporters, and people who are generally stupid: Hey, if it's for the common good.

Anyway, I'm thinking that she just might have a chance, and if that happens, you can kiss your liberties goodbye.Log1czzz

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Blind supporters? I can say the same thing about Liberals and Bush-Bashers. :| No, he's not a good president, but he's sure as Hell not as bad as the people make him out to be.

See that's where I'm worried. If Ron Paul doesn't get the republican nomination he'll probably run as a 3rd party and if that happens Hilary will win. Do you remember what happened in 92 when Bush, Clinton and Perot ran? Ross Perot got almost 13% of the vote which lead to Clinton winning the election with the lowest percentage of any US president in History. Voting on a 3rd party candidate is equal to not voting at all imo. A 3rd party has never and probably will never win.

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]I still can't believe people actually want her to win. She practically tells people she'll take away more freedom, and they still like her.

BUSH: I'm going to take things away from you for the common good!

Blind Supporters, and people who are general stupid: Hey, if it's for the common good.

Anyway, I'm thinking that she just might have a chance, and if that happens, you can kiss your liberties goodbye.Log1czzz

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See that's where I'm worried. If Ron Paul doesn't get the republican nomination he'll probably run as a 3rd party and if that happens Hilary will win. Do you remember what happened in 92 when Bush, Clinton and Perot ran? Ross Perot got almost 13% of the vote which lead to Clinton winning the election with the lowest percentage of any US president in History. Voting on a 3rd party candidate is equal to not voting at all imo. A 3rd party has never and probably will never win.

MarineJcksn

I think he said he wouldn't run as 3rd party or Independent. Maybe he should though since there would be no actual difference between Hillary and Rudy

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[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]I still can't believe people actually want her to win. She practically tells people she'll take away more freedom, and they still like her.

BUSH: I'm going to take things away from you for the common good!

Blind Supporters, and people who are general stupid: Hey, if it's for the common good.

Anyway, I'm thinking that she just might have a chance, and if that happens, you can kiss your liberties goodbye.nuclear_cookout

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Just because i critized Bush does not make me a liberal because i am far from that. But if your gonna mention the taking away of civil liberties than dont be surprised if Bush is brought into the topic.

And as far as MarineJksn: I highly doubt that Ron Paul will hurt the GOP base. Most of the people in the GOP right now are "reactnary conservatives" the biggest example being Guilliani. That means that after 9/11 happened, everything issue they bring up revolves around that one day.

If anything Ron Paul joinning as a third party will help the GOP b/c he can pull many democrats away from their party. And since he is against the war (the central topic for all GOP candidates and their voters), he will likely only get a handful of Republican voters.

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See that's where I'm worried. If Ron Paul doesn't get the republican nomination he'll probably run as a 3rd party and if that happens Hilary will win. Do you remember what happened in 92 when Bush, Clinton and Perot ran? Ross Perot got almost 13% of the vote which lead to Clinton winning the election with the lowest percentage of any US president in History. Voting on a 3rd party candidate is equal to not voting at all imo. A 3rd party has never and probably will never win.

YeahYes

I think he said he wouldn't run as 3rd party or Independent. Maybe he should though since there would be no actual difference between Hillary and Rudy

You're serious? No honestly, you're totally serious?

Ok, I agree that Rudy is the most liberal of all the conservative republican candidates but comparing him to Hildog is just plain wrong. Look how he cleaned up New York City and the way he responded to 9/11. Yes, he could've done an even better job but the fact of the matter is that Hilary could've NEVER accomplish what he has. What has she done politically in her senate career that's had ANY impact whatsoever on New York or America for that matter?

[QUOTE="YeahYes"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

See that's where I'm worried. If Ron Paul doesn't get the republican nomination he'll probably run as a 3rd party and if that happens Hilary will win. Do you remember what happened in 92 when Bush, Clinton and Perot ran? Ross Perot got almost 13% of the vote which lead to Clinton winning the election with the lowest percentage of any US president in History. Voting on a 3rd party candidate is equal to not voting at all imo. A 3rd party has never and probably will never win.

MarineJcksn

I think he said he wouldn't run as 3rd party or Independent. Maybe he should though since there would be no actual difference between Hillary and Rudy

You're serious? No honestly, you're totally serious?

Ok, I agree that Rudy is the most liberal of all the conservative republican candidates but comparing him to Hildog is just plain wrong. Look how he cleaned up New York City and the way he responded to 9/11. Yes, he could've done an even better job but the fact of the matter is that Hilary could've NEVER accomplish what he has. What has she done politically in her senate career that's had ANY impact whatsoever on New York or America for that matter?

What has ANY senator done that hasmade a significant difference. And the fact that you think Guillani cleaned up NY proves to me (who lives in NY) that you have done no research on the man.

What are specific things that Guillani did after 9/11 that makes him a hero??? Take pictures. Make speeches while collecting millions of dollars. The real hero after 9/11 is Bloomberg who stabilized the city.

I have a deep, passionate hate for Hillary and her husband...so it saddens me she does stand a good chance. People in America are reactionary and retrospective voters, generally. They vote according to what has happened, and they associate the groups who participated in such events with those events. That means the republican party is automatically at a disadvantage, because Bush has a low approval rating, and the republican candidates are going to have to seriouslydistance themselves from him.

However, Hillary has no experience at all, and I think that can be exploited. Once we get into the general election, she will be a lot more vulnerable than she is now. She can't handle herself in realdebates, as we saw the other night, and experienced politicians like Giuliani will tear her apart once they don't have to worry about winning their primary anymore. Her constant flip flopping is also going to be exploited, as well as her stance on taxes. Once we move to the general election and she isn't debating among people who mostly agree with her, the republican nominee will be able to point out to voters the massive downfalls of her socialist policies, and I think American voters will be intelligent enough to vote against her if that is done right. I don't think she will win.

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="YeahYes"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

See that's where I'm worried. If Ron Paul doesn't get the republican nomination he'll probably run as a 3rd party and if that happens Hilary will win. Do you remember what happened in 92 when Bush, Clinton and Perot ran? Ross Perot got almost 13% of the vote which lead to Clinton winning the election with the lowest percentage of any US president in History. Voting on a 3rd party candidate is equal to not voting at all imo. A 3rd party has never and probably will never win.

Log1czzz

I think he said he wouldn't run as 3rd party or Independent. Maybe he should though since there would be no actual difference between Hillary and Rudy

You're serious? No honestly, you're totally serious?

Ok, I agree that Rudy is the most liberal of all the conservative republican candidates but comparing him to Hildog is just plain wrong. Look how he cleaned up New York City and the way he responded to 9/11. Yes, he could've done an even better job but the fact of the matter is that Hilary could've NEVER accomplish what he has. What has she done politically in her senate career that's had ANY impact whatsoever on New York or America for that matter?

What has ANY senator done that hasmade a significant difference. And the fact that you think Guillani cleaned up NY proves to me (who lives in NY) that you have done no research on the man.

What are specific things that Guillani did after 9/11 that makes him a hero??? Take pictures. Make speeches while collecting millions of dollars. The real hero after 9/11 is Bloomberg who stabilized the city.

Ill agree with you on Bloomberg, the man really was awesome. But I have done some research on Rudy and crime statistics went down substantially while he was in office from where they were before he took over. But you're right, I didn't live in New York so I don't know the whole story maybe he wasn't largely responsible for the positive results.

I'll happily vote against Hilary Clinton if she's the candidate. If Ron Paul is the Republican Candidate then he'll have my vote. Ron Paul has the best ideas out of all of the people that are running.

I have serious doubts on Hilary. Barack Obama is more liked than her.