Does the expression 'Pro-choice' irk you?

It does for me.

Firstly, it doesn't take into account the baby's choice.

Secondly, the expression infers that the contrary, takes away the 'choice'. I disagree, we all have the choice whether to have sexual intercourse or not, and we all know the consequences of our actions. People should use contraceptives, and take into account that in the 1% likelyhood that the conraceptive fails, they should be willing to accept responsibility. If you're not willing to risk 1%, then you I introduce you to humanity's friend, celibacy!

The only real instance where I can see that abortion could be considered 'pro-choice' is when a woman is raped, and without the abortion, she has not had the chance of choosing to have sex.

It does for me.

Firstly, it doesn't take into account the baby's choice.

Stumpt25

It gives a more positive connotation instead of saying anti-life.

Not really. I'm not sure what else you could fairly call it, and pro-life and pro-choice are easy to understand opposites.btaylor2404

What about "Moronic Religious Nuts" and "Satan-Worshiping Baby-Killers"? The two sides might as well be honest in their opinions. :P

You have a point, but we still have to have freedom to chose. Yes, it is irresponsible, and so on and so forth, but can you let another human being suffer from the consquences of two people's choice? No. And just throwing this out there, abortion should be illegal AFTER the first trimester, but before that it should be very legal (albiet, maybe the government should put on a MASSIVE tax on it...)

It does for me.

Firstly, it doesn't take into account the baby's choice.

Dehumanization ftw I guessmoose_knuckler

Not really. I'm not sure what else you could fairly call it, and pro-life and pro-choice are easy to understand opposites.btaylor2404

The term pro-life is the one that irks me. anti-abortion is more appropriate. I know plenty of pro-life people who support war.. doesn't seem quite right.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Dehumanization ftw I guessHewkii

No seems perfectly right to me. Pro life annoys me though as it insinuates that the other option vis pro death.markop2003

Unfortunate that it does, but I find it hard to compare that to abortion.moose_knuckler

TC, some people don't share your opinions. Get over it.tofu-lion91

And the term "pro-life" doesn't irk you? It's a pretty loaded term in more ways than one.

Anyway, an embryo/fetus in the first trimester is about as human as your spleen. It doesn't have a brain yet and thus has no thoughts and is not aware of anything. If you've ever killed an ant you've committed more grievious murder than aborting an embryo.

And the term "pro-life" doesn't irk you? It's a pretty loaded term in more ways than one.

Anyway, an embryo/fetus in the first trimester is about as human as your spleen. It doesn't have a brain yet and thus has no thoughts and is not aware of anything. If you've ever killed an ant you've committed more grievious murder than aborting an embryo.

gameguy6700

And the term "pro-life" doesn't irk you? It's a pretty loaded term in more ways than one.

Anyway, an embryo/fetus in the first trimester is about as human as your spleen. It doesn't have a brain yet and thus has no thoughts and is not aware of anything. If you've ever killed an ant you've committed more grievious murder than aborting an embryo.

gameguy6700

Fully agree with this. Raid is a weapon of mass destruction.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Unfortunate that it does, but I find it hard to compare that to abortion.Hewkii

Cause they're basically two different things with death being the only thing they relate in. moose_knuckler

Yes. So does the term "Pro-Life". They're both terms meant to imply that supporting the other side is instantly wrong and barbaric no matter what your reasoning is.

Both the terms pro-choice and pro-life irk me, but not for the reasons TC has stated. By saying you are pro-choice, you are suggesting that those whose opinions differ from those of your own are "anti-choice" in a general sense of the word. And by saying you are pro-life, you are suggesting that those whose opinions differ from thsoe of your own are "anti-life". -Sun_Tzu-

Pretty much this. Unfortunately, that's not going to change any time soon...

Maybe they should change it to Pro-ME.

If you're going to abort, you should make the call quickly as gestation is quite an accelerated process i.e. something resembling a life form comes into existence swiftly.

I'm sick of this rape/abaortion argument. That's just one step away from Nicaragua's law on abortion, which is that it is illegal even in cases of rape. A stance Sarah Palin backs up...

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Cause they're basically two different things with death being the only thing they relate in. Hewkii

Both terms are loaded and the supposed neutral terms are pro and anit-abortion. My problem with that, though, is that it sort of embodies the tone the entire deabte has taken in this country, and I really think it's become flawed because of it. The neutral terms insinuate that if you're morally opposed to abortion you should be campiagning for it to be illegal, if not you should be campaigning for it to be legal. The question should not be whether one is morally opposed or not, rather if one side has the right to impose that morality on the rest of the country or not. To me the question of morality is one of when life starts. There's evidence that could be used to support either side, but in the end none that can be used to come to a sound, objective conclusion. Because of that, the government has no right to interfere and the issue should be a personal one. That's why I think pro and yes, anti-choice are more appropriate terms. In the end if you're campaigning against abortion you're not campaigning against killing, because how can you call it killing when you can't prove it's life in the first place? You're campaigning to say that your morality and your view of when life begins are superior and everyone else should not be given the choice of forming a dissenting opinion.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]No seems perfectly right to me. Pro life annoys me though as it insinuates that the other option vis pro death.Stumpt25

No. What bothers me is when people think pro choice means pro abortion.

The same thing is seen is shown with some serial killers disregarding the people they've killed as human beings. moose_knuckler

Cause they're basically two different things with death being the only thing they relate in.

Both the terms pro-choice and pro-life irk me, but not for the reasons TC has stated. By saying you are pro-choice, you are suggesting that those whose opinions differ from those of your own are "anti-choice" in a general sense of the word. And by saying you are pro-life, you are suggesting that those whose opinions differ from thsoe of your own are "anti-life". -Sun_Tzu-

Both of those make sense though. Anti-choice means you don't want women to have the choice of an abortion, and anti-life means you think a woman should have the choice of whether whe wants to give life or not. Pretty simple but convoluted at the same time. Personally neither one bothers me. I myself am for the woman's right to choose though.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Both the terms pro-choice and pro-life irk me, but not for the reasons TC has stated. By saying you are pro-choice, you are suggesting that those whose opinions differ from those of your own are "anti-choice" in a general sense of the word. And by saying you are pro-life, you are suggesting that those whose opinions differ from thsoe of your own are "anti-life". cmpepper23

Both of those make sense though. Anti-choice means you don't want women to have the choice of an abortion, and anti-life means you think a woman should have the choice of whether whe wants to give life or not. Pretty simple but convoluted at the same time. Personally neither one bothers me. I myself am for the woman's right to choose though.

The only real instance where I can see that abortion could be considered 'pro-choice' is when a woman is raped, and without the abortion, she has not had the chance of choosing to have sex.

Stumpt25

idk. It seems odd to place an essential clump of cells choice above that of an already establish and living human being. Yes, its unfortunate. But so are a lot of things. And humans arent so special that all of us should live...not everything is beneficial to the greater good.

The expression itself means nothing to me. It's the meaning behind it that I don't like.