Okay. I'm having a conversation with a friend about certain english language techniques and the relevance of sound/facial expression to words. Hope this isn't agains the TOS or anything and i've edited out any rude words. But this is taken from our conversation (she said it was okay for me to post it). It is long, and quite in-depth, but if your interested have a read through on comment on who you think is right.
I (topic creator) am Saltydog, Millie is a friend who i'm disagree with:
Saltydog says (17:09):
lol there is SUCH a blond girl in my english group.. she constantly asks what words mean, believes EVERYTHING she hears, thinks 9/11 and the moon landing were hoaxes... god i used to fancy her lol but she is SOO blonde
Millie - says (17:09):
haha what sher name??
Saltydog says (17:09):
olivia
Millie - says (17:09):
sounds stupid
Saltydog says (17:09):
lol what the hell question was that?
Saltydog says (17:09):
lol
Saltydog says (17:09):
if i had said...
Saltydog says (17:09):
millie?
Millie - says (17:09):
sounds s**gtastic
Millie - says (17:09):
haha
Saltydog says (17:09):
or... elizabeth
Millie - says (17:10):
no i actually believe that your name reflects on your personality
Saltydog says (17:10):
you've been talkin to holly
Saltydog says (17:10):
rubbish
Millie - says (17:10):
people i know who share the same name seem to have the same personality characteristics
Millie - says (17:10):
all the people who i know called pete, minus your bro as i don't really know him are all quite intelligent.. but they do quite odd and obscure things
Saltydog says (17:11):
how does your parents choosing your name reflect how you are? granted council house common parents are more likely to call their children wayne or tracy which will grow up to be chavs but i don't agree with you
Millie - says (17:11):
no
Millie - says (17:11):
you grow around your name
Saltydog says (17:11):
nope
Millie - says (17:11):
its all to do with linguistics
Saltydog says (17:11):
balderdash
Millie - says (17:11):
you are so ignorant and narrow minded
Saltydog says (17:12):
*cough* you said spacetravels pointless and a waste of money.... how the hell could your parents decision to name you something... directly influence your mind and how you perceive yourself... my dad wanted to call me john... my mum insisted tom
Millie - says (17:12):
no it doesn't penetrate your mind...
Millie - says (17:12):
it changes you ever so slightly... like i said its to do with linguistics
Millie - says (17:12):
the shape and sound of words....
Saltydog says (17:13):
names are stereotyped, waynes more likely to be a chav than hubert... but doesn't mean you grow up around it
Millie - says (17:13):
no its to do with characteristics....
Saltydog says (17:13):
the actual pronunciation of the names!?
Millie - says (17:13):
yes the sounds of them....... do you want me to give you a quick lingusitcs lesson?
Millie - says (17:14):
think about it . when you say something like " i love you" or "beautiful" which are both postive words you face makes a nice shape
Millie - says (17:14):
however when you say words like " ****" or " ****" your face all screws up......
Millie - says (17:14):
people respond differently to different sounds.
Millie - says (17:14):
mainly because of facial expressions like these and the faces which are pulled when they are said
Saltydog says (17:14):
well obviously... words adapt and are used in specific circumstances, a swear word is likely to follow someone who's angry.... ???????
Millie - says (17:14):
exactly...... but its across the board in all lingo's this happens....
Millie - says (17:15):
it just shows that words are chosen for their effect on the speaker.
Saltydog says (17:15):
i think your wrong
Millie - says (17:15):
and of course the recipient
Millie - says (17:15):
fine
Saltydog says (17:15):
words are chosen, and the facial expression is caused by the word
Millie - says (17:15):
but if you understand languages like i do for example you wouldn't be so quick to shrug it off
Saltydog says (17:15):
not the other way around
Saltydog says (17:15):
i do understand languages and please don't be so patronising
Saltydog says (17:15):
and i'm not shrugging it off, i'm disagreeing with you
Millie - says (17:16):
fine
Millie - says (17:16):
but words are chosen for their effect.
Saltydog says (17:16):
i believe it's the other way around
Saltydog says (17:16):
and i'm confident it is
Millie - says (17:16):
what makes you say that??
Saltydog says (17:16):
okay hear me out.... lets take the word ****
Millie - says (17:16):
ok
Millie - says (17:16):
btw when i mean words i mean sounds but please carry on
Saltydog says (17:18):
modern language development has evolved it to become a taboo word and associated with***(fecal matter)doesn't mean poo but it's a synonym of it. Because of this,*** (fecal matter)can be directed as an insult, and therefore **** someone who is angry already will demonstrate their anger by using similarly angry words, such as ****, relating to *** (fecal matter)... the fact that it's phonology is schi- or schi-tt.. or whatever, has
Saltydog says (17:18):
has no relevance to it be used, just the fact that it's synonymous with *** (fecal matter), which is a taboo word and used to insult
Millie - says (17:18):
ok then
Millie - says (17:18):
explain positive words like beautiful for example.... that isn't a taboo for anything
Saltydog says (17:19):
no, but people use beautiful to compliment people, usually people they love to say how good they look, your not gonna frown when you say that, your gonna smile cos your complimenting them.. the fact beautiful means good looking is irrelevant, if **** meant good looking, people would say, you look ****, with big smiles
Saltydog says (17:20):
but society evolves words to have specific connotations, and the sound of a word is irrelevant, in my opinion
Millie - says (17:20):
watch you face when you say beautiful, it makes your face look more appealing......
Millie - says (17:21):
the fact is that this doesnt just happen in english, take any langauge and positive and engative words , if you say them (correctly) you will find that positive words always make your face more round and the sounds are more round. where as with negative words they make you bear your teath and slightly squint.... and they sound alot harder
Millie - says (17:21):
its all to do with lingusitics
Saltydog says (17:22):
well i don't think the facial expression or sound caused by a word has any relevance to it's meaning or positive/negativity. and please don't make me sound stupid by saying 'it's all to do with linguistics', i know my fair share thank you and i have a right to disagree with you
Millie - says (17:23):
well you completely disregarding facial expression is very stupid . it isnt a coincidence that this works in every langauge !!!!
Millie - says (17:23):
i had to write a bloody essay on this fgs!!
Saltydog says (17:24):
i take a bloody a level in this subject,and fgs to you too, i'm not completely disregarding facial expression, facial expression adapts to your mood, and is irrelevant to the specific words you say
Millie - says (17:24):
theres no giving in is there??
Saltydog says (17:24):
nope
Saltydog says (17:25):
you?
Millie - says (17:25):
well i might as weel give up. you arent listening to me. and you are a bloke and it is the most important thing to beat women in this sort of thing... yea you may be taking an a level in it, but ive been given so many lectures about this. and it works across the board in languages.
Millie - says (17:25):
when you work with them you notice these things
Saltydog says (17:26):
wait wait.. your saying that because i have my own opinion, and disagree with you and that you've failed to convince me, i'm not listening.. and because i'm a bloke
Millie - says (17:27):
no, you are completely entitled to your own opinion but i just feel you arent listening because you havent really considered what i am saying. wrds and sounds dont just come up randomly. there are family of sounds and words, and if you havent realised that yet then you are a bit silly
Saltydog says (17:27):
no... i'm not silly, and i know they have relevance
Saltydog says (17:28):
but not to the meaning of a word
Millie - says (17:28):
so you are saying that its pure coincidence that words which have positive meanings have positive sounds and make your face look more appealing... and vise versa?
Saltydog says (17:28):
define a positive sound?
Millie - says (17:29):
love, beautiful..... those sort of round sounds
Saltydog says (17:29):
you can say **** while smiling, you can say beautiful while frowning...
Millie - says (17:29):
yes but when you are naturally saying it without thinking
Saltydog says (17:29):
they are synomous with NICE things... good things, just because they are associated with this, doesn't make the words themselves and their prounounciation releant
Saltydog says (17:29):
synonymous*
Saltydog says (17:30):
well i don't think we're gonna get anywhere with this
Millie - says (17:30):
fine
And that was the arugment, i'm not posting this so i can say... well the people at gamespot agreed with me so there! i'm genuinly interested in who was right about this as i am confident i was, but she was also... so i do hope this isn't gonna get locked, i see no reason for it to because i value any feedback in response to this debate. Her name is a nickname, as is mine, she consented to me posting this and it's a legitimate argument and i'm 99% i filtered the swears.
Thanks!
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