Doesn't 'Avatar' seem like a huge rip-off?

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#1 Tigerman950
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Forgive me if this has been said before...

I've seen the two trailers for this movie and simply haven't been blown away as everyone seems to have been. The trailers (specifically the new one, which I saw the other day attached to '2012') just don't make my hair stand up as do other films as big and hyped as this one, and I've spent some time wondering why. I've come to suspect that perhaps James Cameron's Avatar is a massive rip-offs of several movies of a similar genre that have come out in the past.

You know what I mean--the giant human-controlled robots, the warring tribes, the human-like creatures, the "THIS IS OUR LAND!!!"--you get the idea. It all seems totally cliched and it feels like I've seen all of this in many classic films before, such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, King Kong, Star Trek....the list seems to go on.

I realize that James Cameron is trying to make something big and his latest film means a lot to him if he waited so long to make it, but I don't see what the big deal is. I realize that a lot of people seem to be bashing on this film and its trailers, and maybe it is because it seems like a rip-off (forgive me for living under a rock). Please share your thoughts on whether you think I'm right or not.

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#2 hamstergeddon
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Yea. I mean, with the Smurf army and everything.
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#3 LZ71
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Honestly, it looks bad. After watching the trailers again, it just seems like he's trying to create an "epic," and it just looks all wrong. Nothing about the plot, the visuals, anything, is making me have any sort of interest in this movie.
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I saw part of the trailor on tv where theres a bunch of future marines going down to a tropical planet, I thought they were making a Halo movie.........

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#5 redbaron3
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I was interested untill I saw the trailer and it looks quite cliche...
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#6 HomicidalCherry
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It's even worse than that. It's making light of Wendy Testeburger's ruthless slaughter of the Smurfs for their Smurf Berries. NEVER FORGET!!!:cry:

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#7 sammyjenkis898
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It looks like a showcase for special-effects. Otherwise, the story seems like Dances with Wolves.
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#8 Wilfred_Owen
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Despite the fact Cameron caved into pressure and changed the title to Dancing with Elves I'll still probably end up seeing it.
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#9 DazedDarkness
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I'm looking forward to the Smurfs movie

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#10 Im-not-normal
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You forgot Pocahontas.

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I'm looking forward to the Smurfs movie

DazedDarkness

Same here

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#12 Anarchy4hire82
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I'm looking forward to the Smurfs movie

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Holy crap is there really going to be a smurf's movie????

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#13 skate3
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its been in produtcion for 10 years u guys know NOTHING!!!
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Its the most expensive movie ever guys, so it must be good!

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damn right, no movie with a monster budget has ever failed..............

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#16 legend26
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It looks like a showcase for special-effects. Otherwise, the story seems like Dances with Wolves.sammyjenkis898

thats the same exact movei thought of.

im actually really excited for it. i love the look of it (im a sucker for trippy bright vibrant colors)

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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]It looks like a showcase for special-effects. Otherwise, the story seems like Dances with Wolves.legend26

thats the same exact movei thought of.

im actually really excited for it. i love the look of it (im a sucker for trippy bright vibrant colors)

fan of LSD eh? (just kidding)

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#18 Baranga
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The story being based on an ancient archetype doesn't make it a rip-off. Of course you can summarise it in a few words and make it look like DWTW, but that's just 15% of the actual story. What happens between the major archetypal plot points is definately not something you saw in DWTW.

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#19 legend26
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[QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]It looks like a showcase for special-effects. Otherwise, the story seems like Dances with Wolves.Anarchy4hire82

thats the same exact movei thought of.

im actually really excited for it. i love the look of it (im a sucker for trippy bright vibrant colors)

fan of LSD eh? (just kidding)

:P

I think it looks beautiful

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#20 Zaibach
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I'm actually looking foward to this movie, d9 was a pleasant suprise hopefully this will be too

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#21 HomicidalCherry
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damn right, no movie with a monster budget has ever failed..............

Anarchy4hire82

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postman_(film)

It had an 80 million dollar budget (in 1997 $) and made 18 million at the box office.

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#22 MichIrish
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I saw part of the trailor on tv where theres a bunch of future marines going down to a tropical planet, I thought they were making a Halo movie.........

Anarchy4hire82
That is exactly what I was thinking when I saw the tv trailer! I was sure it was going to be a Halo movie.
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It's supposed to spark a 3D revolution in filming.

Apparently the tech behind the movie uses a new 3D fusion digital camera developed by Cameron and Vince Pace. It allows him to see virtual camera's while he's filming. It isn't your typical red/blue lens. You'll be wearing stereoscopic during the film. The film itself doesn't look particularly original but I'm really interested in seeing what Cameron has done with special affects.

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Yeah, I mean, it's not like anybody has ever made a great work of art based off of a pre-existing story archetype.

*looks at the entire catalogue of William Shakespeare's plays*

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#25 Nifty_Shark
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Meh. The hype is making people act stupid. Two camps with one wanting the movie to fail and looking at at any objective thing they can fault and the other being uber excited about the new camera and the fact that it's Cameron.

Whatever. I'll just see it with an open mind and will see. Not much more any of us can do really.

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#26 Devvy01
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nope, just a new vision..
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I think it's their skin-color... Not to be racist or anything, but really. Blue demon aboriginals? I thought it was the Halo Movie coming out before I saw the aliens though... Exciting.

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Forgive me if this has been said before...

I've seen the two trailers for this movie and simply haven't been blown away as everyone seems to have been. The trailers (specifically the new one, which I saw the other day attached to '2012') just don't make my hair stand up as do other films as big and hyped as this one, and I've spent some time wondering why. I've come to suspect that perhaps James Cameron's Avatar is a massive rip-offs of several movies of a similar genre that have come out in the past.

You know what I mean--the giant human-controlled robots, the warring tribes, the human-like creatures, the "THIS IS OUR LAND!!!"--you get the idea. It all seems totally cliched and it feels like I've seen all of this in many classic films before, such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, King Kong, Star Trek....the list seems to go on.

I realize that James Cameron is trying to make something big and his latest film means a lot to him if he waited so long to make it, but I don't see what the big deal is. I realize that a lot of people seem to be bashing on this film and its trailers, and maybe it is because it seems like a rip-off (forgive me for living under a rock). Please share your thoughts on whether you think I'm right or not.

Tigerman950

First off, let me just say this about Cameron. He sort of annoys me. Out of all of his movies (except Titanic which I never saw, and Piranha 2, in which he was supposedly sort of a director "in name only"), The only ones I've really liked were Aliens and The Terminator. The Terminator was released in 1884, Aliens in 1986. Outside of those movies, I really haven't enjoyed any of his movies that I saw.

Anyway, a lot of people are anticipating Avatar for one reason alone. It is James Cameron's return to movies, and it's his return to science fiction.Ask these people, and they'll say that Cameron ALWAYS delivers on story and charcters.

And in that sense, I'll actually sort of agree. As much as I loathe Terminator 2, at least it tried to make the characters the focus of the movie. Same with The Abyss. And as stupid as True Lies was, it was actually very well-made. In fact, even though that's probably the dumbest James Cameron movie I've ever seen, I actually liked it more than T2 and The Abyss, sense the way it was presented was more true to what the movie actually was. It was a VERY well-made dumb 80's style action movie that was sort of fun. It succeeded on those terms, and it didn't aspire to much more than that.

But anyway, the thing about Cameron is that he IS an extremely skilled and talented filmmaker. He DOES focus on characters, he knows how to make an effective story and present it well, and his Titanic is tied for the most academy awards ever won by any movie in history. He's good. He's damn good. And now he's back. People are going to get excited based on that alone.

But one thing that always sort of irked me about him is his "bigger is better" attitude, which was actually apparent as far back as Aliens. That's sort of a Michael Bay type attitude. Furthermore, his whole sort of obsession with his new revolutionary 3D technology, just sort of reminds me of Robert Zemeckis' weird fixation on his motion capture BS. That, plus Cameron's HUGE movie budgets, just makes me really skeptical about any new project he has coming out. I have sort of a big apprehension to unnecessarily bloated budgets (District 9 was cool, showing just what was possible with a meager budget), and I always get more worried when people are talking more about tech or special effects than on an actual STORY. It's seems like far more people are hyping up Avatar's truly revolutionary 3D, rather than talking about the actual STORY.

Bottom line is that I have little interest in Avatar. Sure I have SOME interest, since this is James Cameron, and I wouldn't take objection to someone calling him a "genius". That being said though, I haven't enjoyed one of his movies since 1986. And people seem to be talking way too much about the technology behind this movie, vs it actually being GOOD. After full reviews start coming in and people start saying that Avatar IS a masterpiece, then perhaps then my interest will increase substantially. But then again, people loved the hell out of Terminator 2, and that movie pisses me off to no end.

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[QUOTE="Tigerman950"]

Forgive me if this has been said before...

I've seen the two trailers for this movie and simply haven't been blown away as everyone seems to have been. The trailers (specifically the new one, which I saw the other day attached to '2012') just don't make my hair stand up as do other films as big and hyped as this one, and I've spent some time wondering why. I've come to suspect that perhaps James Cameron's Avatar is a massive rip-offs of several movies of a similar genre that have come out in the past.

You know what I mean--the giant human-controlled robots, the warring tribes, the human-like creatures, the "THIS IS OUR LAND!!!"--you get the idea. It all seems totally cliched and it feels like I've seen all of this in many classic films before, such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, King Kong, Star Trek....the list seems to go on.

I realize that James Cameron is trying to make something big and his latest film means a lot to him if he waited so long to make it, but I don't see what the big deal is. I realize that a lot of people seem to be bashing on this film and its trailers, and maybe it is because it seems like a rip-off (forgive me for living under a rock). Please share your thoughts on whether you think I'm right or not.

MrGeezer

First off, let me just say this about Cameron. He sort of annoys me. Out of all of his movies (except Titanic which I never saw, and Piranha 2, in which he was supposedly sort of a director "in name only"), The only ones I've really liked were Aliens and The Terminator. The Terminator was released in 1884, Aliens in 1986. Outside of those movies, I really haven't enjoyed any of his movies that I saw.

Anyway, a lot of people are anticipating Avatar for one reason alone. It is James Cameron's return to movies, and it's his return to science fiction.Ask these people, and they'll say that Cameron ALWAYS delivers on story and charcters.

And in that sense, I'll actually sort of agree. As much as I loathe Terminator 2, at least it tried to make the characters the focus of the movie. Same with The Abyss. And as stupid as True Lies was, it was actually very well-made. In fact, even though that's probably the dumbest James Cameron movie I've ever seen, I actually liked it more than T2 and The Abyss, sense the way it was presented was more true to what the movie actually was. It was a VERY well-made dumb 80's style action movie that was sort of fun. It succeeded on those terms, and it didn't aspire to much more than that.

But anyway, the thing about Cameron is that he IS an extremely skilled and talented filmmaker. He DOES focus on characters, he knows how to make an effective story and present it well, and his Titanic is tied for the most academy awards ever won by any movie in history. He's good. He's damn good. And now he's back. People are going to get excited based on that alone.

But one thing that always sort of irked me about him is his "bigger is better" attitude, which was actually apparent as far back as Aliens. That's sort of a Michael Bay type attitude. Furthermore, his whole sort of obsession with his new revolutionary 3D technology, just sort of reminds me of Robert Zemeckis' weird fixation on his motion capture BS. That, plus Cameron's HUGE movie budgets, just makes me really skeptical about any new project he has coming out. I have sort of a big apprehension to unnecessarily bloated budgets (District 9 was cool, showing just what was possible with a meager budget), and I always get more worried when people are talking more about tech or special effects than on an actual STORY. It's seems like far more people are hyping up Avatar's truly revolutionary 3D, rather than talking about the actual STORY.

Bottom line is that I have little interest in Avatar. Sure I have SOME interest, since this is James Cameron, and I wouldn't take objection to someone calling him a "genius". That being said though, I haven't enjoyed one of his movies since 1986. And people seem to be talking way too much about the technology behind this movie, vs it actually being GOOD. After full reviews start coming in and people start saying that Avatar IS a masterpiece, then perhaps then my interest will increase substantially. But then again, people loved the hell out of Terminator 2, and that movie pisses me off to no end.

Damn, I'm getting old... Those Terminator movies are ancient.

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It's supposed to spark a 3D revolution in filming.

Apparently the tech behind the movie uses a new 3D fusion digital camera developed by Cameron and Vince Pace. It allows him to see virtual camera's while he's filming. It isn't your typical red/blue lens. You'll be wearing stereoscopic during the film. The film itself doesn't look particularly original but I'm really interested in seeing what Cameron has done with special affects.

Blue-Sky

And if he is successful in pushing this technology, I'm interested in seeing how much audiences get ****ed in the wallet.

Supposedly seeing Avatar in 3D is going to cost substantially more than seeing it on a normal screen. Which is understandable, since it will cost more to implement this technology widespread in theaters. But once this technology DOES become standard in theaters everywhere, do you really think that the ticket prices will DROP to reflect the fact that the ticket prices no longer have to incorporate the costs of putting this new technology into theaters? When have you EVER seen ticket prices go down?

Worst case scenario, Avatar just helps to kick-start this kind of projection becoming standard. And if that happens, expect to get ****ed in the wallet, as this kind of 3D gets shoved into crappy ass movies while you get forced to pay more for total ass.

Again though, that depends on lots of details, and might not happen. Time will tell, I guess. But that's certainly a concern of mine.

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#31 justhat1
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they wont be getting my money

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#32 muffintheduffin
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dude,

THINK ABOUT THE SMURFS, man!