Dragonball Super

I'm surprised I haven't found a thread about this series. With the upcomming Fighter and arguably the best new form since the SSJ, I was expecting more from the users of Gamespot :P

(IMO one of the best parts of the entire franchise)

What do you think about the new series? How do you like the different forms, especially ultra instinct Goku?

The current arc is really on of the best Dragonball has ever been for me. Even though I feared a battle royal would be chaotic they are making sure everyone gets enough air time which is great. I never thought I would be so glad to see Dragonball again. In fact It probably has replaced the One Piece Anime for me. One Piece Manga is still the best but the Anime has gone down in quality for me.

Hmm the opening 3+ arcs were very poor, espcailly taking into consideration they would be directly compared to the movies which have a much higher budget, they didn't really bring anything new to the table.

The animation quality early on is terrible at time and the fight choreography never really matches the quality of Z. It seems they took on board much deserved criticism and the animation is largely leaps and bounds better.

Seems to me Zamasu is about the time things started picking up, probably the best post-Frieza villain. The resolution to the arc was poor though, nonsensical. Didn't like that at all.

Because Z had to time with the manga it had a ton of filler, a single fight would eat up 4 hours and take up 1/6 of the series. Super generally has far better pacing and sprinkles in a lot of the original series's humor that was missing from Z's deadly earnestness.

Super improves Z when focusing on characters outside of Goku, the Tournament arc espcailly highlights old and new characters with entire episodes. It avoids the pitfalls of Z as well (largely) by not making them feel like fodder or filler. Everyone thought Master Roshi would be rubbish partly to the conditioning of Z, but he's probably had the best two episodes of the entire arc thus far, someone who had 0 attention since Dragonball.

It seems to inherent positive aspects of the original series. Z became a constant chase for new forms and power levels, ending up redundant and cheapened the entire Namek/Frieza arc. It still exists to an extent in Super, but it takes into account the mechanics of fight scenes more. e.g. Figuring out how Hit operates.... Containment Wave etc...

Tournament of power is interesting as well as compared to the other series as a characters moral compass is irrelevant. Aside from that it's a good idea to open up the universe and introduce new characters as the everything in Z has already been done to death.

It would be more interesting if it ignored the same old tired route with Goku, but from the new form thing it seems they are playing it with the safe old formula. Which is unfortunate considering how much it avoids the copy-paste jobs of Z.

As far as the best parts go, anything with Freiza is gold. Even the animation and soundtrack quality bumps up.

They're doing something interesting with the character as well, reintroducing him in a far more relevant, logical way than having random-man wish him back for new-super-duper-mega-form, and you're not really sure how it will end up either as it's been throwing red herrings left, right and center.

I simply love Super, I'm enjoying the hell out of it, actually. :)

I think the squeaky wheel is getting the grease, as the cliche goes, and I think that people would be far more excited about Super if BoG and RoF hadn't already been released. I like Super's retelling of BoG far more than I liked the original movie.

The best thing about Super and what really put the icing on the cake is, Caulifla! The first Female Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2, and is a complete badass, plus her design is pretty cool too! A female Super Saiyan, something that many fans wanted Pan and possibly Bulla to become but never happened is what makes Super worth watching more so.

The first two arcs are meh. The Black Goku arc was great, but then resolved itself with some ex machina. This battle royal concept I liked from the beginning, and it's really working out well. The only thing I don't like, and it's what I have hated since Z, is relying on Goku to save the day. The new transformation looked cool, but the over reliance on Goku gets old. I'd like to see Vegeta get more credit. His battle with Toppo right now is encouraging, especially after Toppo called Vegeta "second".

My only other complaint would be that Jiren is very OP. The concern for that is, these are the "weakest universes". So how powerful, or much more powerful than Jiren are the other universes? We are bound to get that story arc at some point...

Otherwise I am really enjoying this. I am hoping to see Jiren fight Frieza.

@sonic_spark: I do not think that Goku will win. Three scenarios are kind of possible imo.

1. Goku sacrafices himself and takes Jiren with him out. Gohan will prob be the winner here. Would be cool if Vegeta wins but no way this is gonna happen^^

2. It will end in a draw but Universe 7 has more members than the other universers

3. Goku will be the last one standing but I really doubt that at this point.

Watched the first 30-something episodes then got busy for a few weeks and lost interest. It's no DBZ but it's good enough, I guess I might get back into watching it.

So it's been on in the background at a bar/arcade I frequent. I've read some wikis to get up to speed on the story. Honestly, I don't get why people enjoy it. The fights can be fun, but there's so little else that I find appealing about the show. The story, the artwork, etc.

-Byshop

@ArchoNils2:

They should have just killed off Dragon Ball by now. Super Saiyan God, Super Instinct-whatever....they clearly ran out of ideas.

Nostalgia, I guess. Can't imagine any non-DB fans looking at the show and going "This is so cool! Definitely need to get hooked on this!"

@Byshop: The Tournament of Power is actually really good. And people like it since the cast is very diverse and interesting and they give each participant enough screentime as well. And I just can not agree with runing out of ideas The instinct part is actually pretty good integrated and was build up for a long time as well.

They even animated it in the right way. Goku just doesnt know what has happend with him and that in the begining he does not know how to control this new power. His move became much less focused and more about power than they were before. Also he could not beat Jiren with it. Honestly I am excited for the arcs ending wand of the things comming afterwards since we are only dealing with the weakest universes as well.

Super generally has a lot more new ideas than Z as that's exactly what it became, a loop of some new form, which cheapened the original Frieza Saga, which is originally where the series was suppose to end. A constant escalation ending in some trigger.

The only exception or original idea after Frieza that comes to mind was the ending of the Buu Saga where it's the joke character (Satan) that wins the day. And thematically goes with the concept of Dragonball/z where initially irredeemable character become redeemable because even though the character is an idiot and fraud underneath it he's inherently good.

In both cases of Super (god and ultra instinct) neither have worked thus far. Beerus was still way more powerful than Goku and the only reason he and everyone survived was through his admirable personality causing compassion in a character presented as a destructive mechanic of nature than a typical hee-hoo villain.

In Jirens case it completely flops. And he himself isn't an evil character. On the contrary most character view Goku as the source of ill, as he initiate's the Tournament of power on the selfish reason of wanting to fight. Super makes the character closer to Akira Toriyama's original vision where he wasn't a heroic character but someone obsessed with fighting and bettering themselves with everything else a byproduct.

While the animation was terrible in places, most of these arcs are much better post-Frieza Z. They just don't have the benefit of Z's far superior fight choreography or animation. They've went back and touched up the original animation, but it still isn't particularly good.

I'm hoping for a Jiren Origin's Spin-off! I would like to know more about Jiren and why he's so powerful!

Yeah DBZ power levels used to have meaning and get me hyped. When Goku first achieved SSJ3 to fight Buu you knew epicness would ensue. Now granted I haven't watched Super, I feel like they went overboard with it. All these new forms: Super Saiyan God, Blue, etc, they seem to simply come up with random power levels to keep the fans interested and raise the stakes.

They pretty much milked this series. I've been watching done of these tournament episodes and it's awful. All this holding back and stalling is weak.

I still say the original DB is still the best. The writing was more consistent as they were growing up.

Agreed. It feels like the anime has overstayed its welcome. It used to be great and I'm glad I grew up with it but all good things have to come to an end. Producers need to stop milking our favorite franchises.

Dragonball comes from Akira Toriyama's from manga, barring GT.

Z milked it, it was produced co-currently with the manga, stretched out as much as possible, continuing after the Freiza saga due to huge popularity.

Super by comparison is tight with little to no filler.

Actually enjoying DB Super...the start were meh! for me since I already own the the 2 movies. Zamasu arc was quite good...but love this battle royale tournament they have set up...Jiren is badass...still sad Piccolo (my favourite) is now pretty much small potato...not much happening with him. Still hoping they'll mix it up..& not make Goku the hero again..that would be lame...want to see Gohan takes the reign (properly this time), but doesn't look like it will...hoping for a surprise anyway..

New transformation from Goku - Ultra Instinct??..looks alright still waaay better than GT SS4 ..lol.. :P

Erm is Freeza's evil wish from Super Dragon Ball even possible???...would Zen-O be affected too?

Been looking forward to DB Super ...rather than One Piece now..

One Piece story progress has be set to snail pace (4-5 mins intro??)...becoming a joke...will probably stop following altogether soon. :P

Largely the same Dragon Ball from any time period -- a lot of detail put into the ancillary characters which just adds to episode filler.

Dragon Ball has always excelled in producing filler, yet it seems Super is attempting to give DBZ a run for its money. Wherein a battle of the most powerful figures of the multiverse ample screen time is given to Krillin, Roshi, Tien, Piccolo, and the Androids. And that doesn't even get into how weak the vast majority of the other universes are even though the heroes' universe is supposed to be the second weakest.

This arch would have benefited greatly from the tournament being only the four strongest from each universe -- Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Freeza would have been a phenomenal lineup.

As long as what's-their-faces keep drawing it real good and what's his face eventually beats what's his face with super what's his face times 1 kerbillion.

On the for serious, I do appreciate the endless DB content. Ultra Instinct?! I jizzed in my pants.

I loved the female Saayanjins. I also thought Videl looked great when her baby helped to make Goku a god:

I guess that's how her SSJ would look like if she was a Sayanjin?

Aww..c'mon no love for Kale... xD ...yea Caulifla & Kale are great...prefer Kale...cause extreme burst she goes when she transform - female Broli. :P

@superbuuman: Kale is such a meh Character so far. Sure she becomes female Broli but even then she kinda sucked so far. Caulifa is great because she is so agressive and active and she is not afraid of anyone.. She fits the role of a Sayajin

Universe 6's Sayians are genetically different and generally portrayed different to 7's, which was basically the equivalent of Klingons, bred to fight, sent off to conquer planets at birth etc...

Frieza: Why do you loathe what I've done so much? Saiyans are just as ruthless as I am! They were killers, all of them! And you have the gall to condemn what I've done. You and your bloodthirsty race!

Goku: They paid for their mistakes!

Frieza: Heh heh heh heh. Is that why they died? I thought it was because I killed them!

They went down the easy route of making them seem heroic compared to Z.

lol Goku is an idiot...fusion of Caulifla & Kale?, next episode...who'd be dumb enough to teach them that?...oh yea Goku. :P

From Cabbas comment it seems that was the idea from the start, since it's potara earrings. My guess is since Gokus stamina is low, they will protect him.

That SS3 scene was neat, compared to the very first episodes where they showed it the animation is leaps ahead, genuinely great looking.

@uninspiredcup: Hope so...looks to be a Sensei (Goku) & student (Caulifla & Kale?) thing...like Vegeta & Cabba. Yea SS3 looked better. :)

They seem to be setting up a plot for the alternate Sayian planet. And with Freiza up and about wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being the next arc.

Kale really annoys me, it's like she's been pulled straight out of hentai

Boo!!! so they are going with "Ultra Instinct" as the all powerful Goku...bleh!...boring!!... :P WTF? is Piccolo & especially Gohan playing around with the 2 Nameks from other universe..what a joke. :P

I agree. The fanboys go "ohgollygolly new form" but it was the most expected and generally least interesting thing, outside of a greatly presented episode.

Jiren isn't particular interesting either. No character development, came out of nowhere. Just an obstacle for Goku.

For me Master Rochi was the interesting part of the tournament. Old guy who's weak but has experience and an attack that makes whatever skill level a fighter is completely moot. Although the fact Frost could catch it, is quite qeastionable. But whatever, anime logic. Also had a pretty great callback to the original series.

Frieza as well, acting as an ally who could potentially screw them over is interesting. Far more so than the area 51 alien sitting doing nothing.

Watching this makes me wish they brought back Bruce Faulconer than a 1 for 1 of the Japanese version. Not that the Japanese score is bad, it just lends it a different flavor.

yes, I am following since my childhood. I am a big fan of this animation serious.Even I still not missed a single episode of dragon ball super. I bought a dragon ball wristbands.