Ecuador Halts Snowden's Asylum Because Julian Assange is a Fame Hog

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Thoughts? There has to be more to it than something like "Assange being a Fame Hog".

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

WhiteKnight77

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

WhiteKnight77

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That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

majoras_wrath

I don't have a problem with whistleblowers, I have a problem with idealogs who breach secrecy laws and turns over secrets that he swore to protect whether he agrees with them or not. He is no different than John Walker. 

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

WhiteKnight77

I don't have a problem with whistleblowers, I have a problem with idealogs who breach secrecy laws and turns over secrets that he swore to protect whether he agrees with them or not. He is no different than John Walker. 

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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Wait. You actually approve of arresting whistleblowers?majoras_wrath

I don't have a problem with whistleblowers, I have a problem with idealogs who breach secrecy laws and turns over secrets that he swore to protect whether he agrees with them or not. He is no different than John Walker.

especially when he gives out the location of federal agents working in the middle east and their families.

snowden is the lowest form of scum. He would sacrifice the lives of any number of people to get 5 seconds of fame.

most people don't even know what he did, they just go freedom and start jacking off.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

WhiteKnight77

I don't have a problem with whistleblowers, I have a problem with idealogs who breach secrecy laws and turns over secrets that he swore to protect whether he agrees with them or not. He is no different than John Walker. 

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Wait. You actually approve of arresting whistleblowers?mmwmwmmwmwmm

I don't have a problem with whistleblowers, I have a problem with idealogs who breach secrecy laws and turns over secrets that he swore to protect whether he agrees with them or not. He is no different than John Walker.

when they put the lives of hundreds in danger for no reason, everyone should.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

I don't have a problem with whistleblowers, I have a problem with idealogs who breach secrecy laws and turns over secrets that he swore to protect whether he agrees with them or not. He is no different than John Walker.

frannkzappa

especially when he gives out the location of federal agents working in the middle east and their families.

snowden is the lowest form of scum. He would sacrifice the lives of any number of people to get 5 seconds of fame.

most people don't even know what he did, they just go freedom and start jacking off.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Even if the government is clearly violating 4th amendment rights? And if you don't see a difference between reporting scandals to newspapers, and reporting them to a private spy agency, then I don't know what to say.majoras_wrath

especially when he gives out the location of federal agents working in the middle east and their families.

snowden is the lowest form of scum. He would sacrifice the lives of any number of people to get 5 seconds of fame.

most people don't even know what he did, they just go freedom and start jacking off.

this is the first link i could find.

http://floppingaces.net/2013/06/24/edward-snowden-obama-is-getting-his-clock-cleaned/

"Beyond technical systems, U.S. officials are deeply concerned that Snowden used his sensitive position to read about U.S. human assets, for example spies and informants overseas as well as safe houses and key spying centers".

I had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all over the world. The locations of every station, we have what their missions are, and so forth. - Snowden himself

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

especially when he gives out the location of federal agents working in the middle east and their families.

snowden is the lowest form of scum. He would sacrifice the lives of any number of people to get 5 seconds of fame.

most people don't even know what he did, they just go freedom and start jacking off.

frannkzappa

this is the first link i could find.

http://floppingaces.net/2013/06/24/edward-snowden-obama-is-getting-his-clock-cleaned/

"Beyond technical systems, U.S. officials are deeply concerned that Snowden used his sensitive position to read about U.S. human assets, for example spies and informants overseas as well as safe houses and key spying centers".

I had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all over the world. The locations of every station, we have what their missions are, and so forth. - Snowden himself

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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] give me a source please. you are probably thinking of Pvt. Manning.ThaneKrios28

this is the first link i could find.

http://floppingaces.net/2013/06/24/edward-snowden-obama-is-getting-his-clock-cleaned/

"Beyond technical systems, U.S. officials are deeply concerned that Snowden used his sensitive position to read about U.S. human assets, for example spies and informants overseas as well as safe houses and key spying centers".

I had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all over the world. The locations of every station, we have what their missions are, and so forth. - Snowden himself

He is using it to blackmail the US government.

HE is using the lives of innocent people to further his agenda.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

I don't have a problem with whistleblowers, I have a problem with idealogs who breach secrecy laws and turns over secrets that he swore to protect whether he agrees with them or not. He is no different than John Walker.

frannkzappa

especially when he gives out the location of federal agents working in the middle east and their families.

snowden is the lowest form of scum. He would sacrifice the lives of any number of people to get 5 seconds of fame.

most people don't even know what he did, they just go freedom and start jacking off.

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

this is the first link i could find.

http://floppingaces.net/2013/06/24/edward-snowden-obama-is-getting-his-clock-cleaned/

 

"Beyond technical systems, U.S. officials are deeply concerned that Snowden used his sensitive position to read about U.S. human assets, for example spies and informants overseas as well as safe houses and key spying centers".

 

 

I had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all over the world. The locations of every station, we have what their missions are, and so forth. - Snowden himself

 

 

 

frannkzappa

He is using it to blackmail the US government.

HE is using the lives of innocent people to further his agenda.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

especially when he gives out the location of federal agents working in the middle east and their families.

snowden is the lowest form of scum. He would sacrifice the lives of any number of people to get 5 seconds of fame.

most people don't even know what he did, they just go freedom and start jacking off.

frannkzappa

this is the first link i could find.

http://floppingaces.net/2013/06/24/edward-snowden-obama-is-getting-his-clock-cleaned/

"Beyond technical systems, U.S. officials are deeply concerned that Snowden used his sensitive position to read about U.S. human assets, for example spies and informants overseas as well as safe houses and key spying centers".

I had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all over the world. The locations of every station, we have what their missions are, and so forth. - Snowden himself

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[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] um that dosent mean he sold the info..... its just conernThaneKrios28

He is using it to blackmail the US government.

HE is using the lives of innocent people to further his agenda.

but it's ok to blindly believe this guy is a force of justice?

there are two million ways to let it be known the US government were breaking laws (which they weren't) then stealing sensitive information.

it makes me sick how people will ignore everything just to make this man a hero.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

fueled-system

finally someone who can actually look at the issue, without being brainwashed by "FREEDOM".

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

He is using it to blackmail the US government.

HE is using the lives of innocent people to further his agenda.

frannkzappa

but it's ok to blindly believe this guy is a force of justice?

there are two million ways to let it be known the US government were breaking laws (which they weren't) then stealing sensitive information.

it makes me sick how people will ignore everything just to make this man a hero.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] dont believe everything you read until it happens. im pretty possitive he wontThaneKrios28

but it's ok to blindly believe this guy is a force of justice?

there are two million ways to let it be known the US government were breaking laws (which they weren't) then stealing sensitive information.

it makes me sick how people will ignore everything just to make this man a hero.

your an idiot, you don't care how many people get hurt as long as the us government gets to look like a bond villian.

use your head and look up what snowden is actually doing.

Can you explain though how the US government breaking the law ? dkdk999

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especially when he gives out the location of federal agents working in the middle east and their families.

snowden is the lowest form of scum. He would sacrifice the lives of any number of people to get 5 seconds of fame.

most people don't even know what he did, they just go freedom and start jacking off.

dkdk999

Except for the shallow bickering between the Republican and Democrat politicians, the government is pretty much untouchable.

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

but it's ok to blindly believe this guy is a force of justice?

there are two million ways to let it be known the US government were breaking laws (which they weren't) then stealing sensitive information.

it makes me sick how people will ignore everything just to make this man a hero.

frannkzappa

your an idiot, you don't care how many people get hurt as long as the us government gets to look like a bond villian.

use your head and look up what snowden is actually doing.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

That is a good thing honestly. Now, it is just a matter of getting someone into Moscow's airport and arresting Snowden since that area of the airport is not exactly Russian soil. Still, I don't think Obama will send anyone in there to provoke Putin's ire.

fueled-system

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] dont believe everything you read until it happens. im pretty possitive he wontThaneKrios28

but it's ok to blindly believe this guy is a force of justice?

there are two million ways to let it be known the US government were breaking laws (which they weren't) then stealing sensitive information.

it makes me sick how people will ignore everything just to make this man a hero.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]Can you explain though how the US government breaking the law ? ThaneKrios28

you are in no position to judge it's effectiveness as you don't know what crimes it has stopped.

this program isn't even about stopping domestic terrorism anyway.

but i'm sure you don't care, because anything i say was put in my mouth by the government.:roll:

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]Can you explain though how the US government breaking the law ? ThaneKrios28

[QUOTE="fueled-system"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Wait. You actually approve of arresting whistleblowers?majoras_wrath

they didn't break the 4th.

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

but it's ok to blindly believe this guy is a force of justice?

there are two million ways to let it be known the US government were breaking laws (which they weren't) then stealing sensitive information.

it makes me sick how people will ignore everything just to make this man a hero.

fueled-system

[QUOTE="fueled-system"][QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] again like i said its propaganda from the government. this guy aired out how the gov is spying on americans in the name of national security so wouldnt you think that the government would say anything to basicly fear mongor the people? and yes the guy is a hero because if you believe what the government is doing is good in regards to the whole verizon and email thing than im sorry nothing personal but you are a blind sheep i didnt ok to have my phone or email monitored and i sure as hell dont like being lied to ThaneKrios28

you don't need to be in Afghanistan to give terrorist info.

we have things called electronics and the internet.

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="dkdk999"]Can you explain though how the US government breaking the law ? frannkzappa

you are in no position to judge it's effectiveness as you don't know what crimes it has stopped.

this program isn't even about stopping domestic terrorism anyway.

but i'm sure you don't care, because anything i say was put in my mouth by the government.:roll:

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]Have you seen this guy's interviews? He deserves jail timefrannkzappa

they didn't break the 4th.

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]I think the govt needs to be more honest with what they do but calling this guy who went into his position to "uncover" secrets a hero is confusing... Dunno how the govt is trying to use propaganda when he is the one who says he has "more revealing information". The guy is blackmailing and if a terrorist organization gets to him the security of this country is in jeopardyfrannkzappa

you don't need to be in Afghanistan to give terrorist info.

we have things called electronics and the internet.

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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] and the government deserves to be removed from power for their flagrant disregard for the 4th.dkdk999

they didn't break the 4th.

i suggest you look up what the 4th says.

then look up what snowden claims the government was doing.

it was distasteful and dumb, but not illegal.

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[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] dude if hes in cuba or even russia i doubt terrorists will get him. think for a minute here he would have security period also for all we know he could just be messing with the government in regards to that either way we will never knowThaneKrios28

you don't need to be in Afghanistan to give terrorist info.

we have things called electronics and the internet.

troll confirmed.

done wasting my time with this one.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]Have you seen this guy's interviews? He deserves jail timefueled-system

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

they didn't break the 4th.

frannkzappa

i suggest you look up what the 4th says.

then look up what snowden claims the government was doing.

it was distasteful and dumb, but not illegal.

[QUOTE="fueled-system"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] and the government deserves to be removed from power for their flagrant disregard for the 4th.majoras_wrath

if he had just released info about that it would have been a different matter.

but he didn't and is now using other peoples lives to further his agenda.

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you don't need to be in Afghanistan to give terrorist info.

we have things called electronics and the internet.

frannkzappa

troll confirmed.

done wasting my time with this one.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] Go on. majoras_wrath

i suggest you look up what the 4th says.

then look up what snowden claims the government was doing.

it was distasteful and dumb, but not illegal.

surveillance is not mentioned in the 4th.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] and you really think a 3rd world country like afghanistan would have such a thing? give me a breakThaneKrios28

troll confirmed.

done wasting my time with this one.

doesn't matter because it's just "government propaganda":roll:

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="dkdk999"]Can you explain though how the US government breaking the law ? dkdk999

That changes the entire meaning of your question now doesn't it?

Both of you need to understand that the NSA got the required warrants to do what they did. There is no breach of the law and especially there is no breach of the 4th Amendment. 

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] spying on americans without there knowledge to me is breaking the law. us citiizens cant film or record police without consent so why shouldnt it be the same for us? also what good has this program done? they didnt prevent boston wich btw was domestic terrorisim. they even failed at the nyc attempt at times square for a program that protects americans so far in my eyes has failed miserablyWhiteKnight77

That changes the entire meaning of your question now doesn't it?

Both of you need to understand that the NSA got the required warrants to do what they did. There is no breach of the law and especially there is no breach of the 4th Amendment.

this.