http://www.gamespot.com/pages/filter/video_player.php?id=JHBnwTT65bkPvTY
And that, my friends, is why we don't want to legalize drugs.
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http://www.gamespot.com/pages/filter/video_player.php?id=JHBnwTT65bkPvTY
And that, my friends, is why we don't want to legalize drugs.
This video is like so old..but still that german kid needs seriousl help..i wanna knock that kid in the face and set him straight.Denjin_hadouken
It may be old, but no matter how many times I watch it it makes me laugh my ass off!
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He made it seem like the game was going to run away. Â
Kikouken
I don't blame it; I would try to run away too.
I don't because there's no such thing.CptJSparrow
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.GameBoy966
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.[QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.CptJSparrow
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.There IS a scientific field of the study of demons, and it's called demonology. And don't come in here teaching me psychology, because I plan to be one. How do YOU explain the fact that every one of the possesed people were able to speak another language, usually Latin, even though they knew nothing of it? Psychology?
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.GameBoy966
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.There IS a scientific field of the study of demons, and it's called demonology. And don't come in here teaching me psychology, because I plan to be one. How do YOU explain the fact that every one of the possesed people were able to speak another language, usually Latin, even though they knew nothing of it? Psychology?
Really? Every single one of them could speak a different language? And I suppose you'll be posting some 23 minutes in hell website to support this? You want me to explain "the fact" of that, yet you are the one making claims of the existence of possession? The burden of proof lies with you. Demonology is not a scientific field just as theology isn't. They both deal with the supernatural and quite frankly don't deserve any notoriety in the scientific community.I love that. I hadn't seen it in a while, but why was he being filmed?SolidSnake35
It is the opinion of this poster that it was...scripted. :P
[QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.CptJSparrow
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.There IS a scientific field of the study of demons, and it's called demonology. And don't come in here teaching me psychology, because I plan to be one. How do YOU explain the fact that every one of the possesed people were able to speak another language, usually Latin, even though they knew nothing of it? Psychology?
Really? Every single one of them could speak a different language? And I suppose you'll be posting some 23 minutes in hell website to support this? You want me to explain "the fact" of that, yet you are the one making claims of the existence of possession? The burden of proof lies with you. Demonology is not a scientific field just as theology isn't. They both deal with the supernatural and quite frankly don't deserve any notoriety in the scientific community. are you two really about to debate whether or not that German kid was possessed by a demon?[QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.CptJSparrow
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.There IS a scientific field of the study of demons, and it's called demonology. And don't come in here teaching me psychology, because I plan to be one. How do YOU explain the fact that every one of the possesed people were able to speak another language, usually Latin, even though they knew nothing of it? Psychology?
Really? Every single one of them could speak a different language? And I suppose you'll be posting some 23 minutes in hell website to support this? You want me to explain "the fact" of that, yet you are the one making claims of the existence of possession? The burden of proof lies with you. Demonology is not a scientific field just as theology isn't. They both deal with the supernatural and quite frankly don't deserve any notoriety in the scientific community.Then niether does psychology, because that's a SCIENCE that deals in the study of the mind and human behavior, which can only be described as supernatural.
I didn't make this to argue, you know. YOU came in, unprovoked, didn't look at the link I set up, and started this. The 70s movie the exorcist is based on a real exorcism that occured 30-40 years ago. So is the exorcism of emily rose. This is the best link I can find.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.GameBoy966
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.There IS a scientific field of the study of demons, and it's called demonology. And don't come in here teaching me psychology, because I plan to be one. How do YOU explain the fact that every one of the possesed people were able to speak another language, usually Latin, even though they knew nothing of it? Psychology?
Really? Every single one of them could speak a different language? And I suppose you'll be posting some 23 minutes in hell website to support this? You want me to explain "the fact" of that, yet you are the one making claims of the existence of possession? The burden of proof lies with you. Demonology is not a scientific field just as theology isn't. They both deal with the supernatural and quite frankly don't deserve any notoriety in the scientific community.Then niether does psychology, because that's a SCIENCE that deals in the study of the mind and human behavior, which can only be described as supernatural.
I didn't make this to argue, you know. YOU came in, unprovoked, didn't look at the link I set up, and started this. The 70s movie the exorcist is based on a real exorcism that occured 30-40 years ago. So is the exorcism of emily rose. This is the best link I can find.
The human behavior is supernatural since when? If human behavior is supernatural than all other animals' behavior is supernatural, and we constantly study the behavior of living things by researching their reactions to stimuli. This is where we get reactions. The way our brains are constructed allots for the rest of what we call human behavior. Your article doesn't tell me anything other than that people in the middle ages had to invent supernatural reasons to make up for the gap in technology. Of particular interest was the following: "Here it might be added that a carry over of medieval thought still persists among many Christians, especially the fundamentalists. Although they are firm in their belief of man's sinful nature, they hold God still permits the Devil to try man. Such trials are tests of man's faithfulness to God." "Included in the list of other signs or symptoms for declaring demonic possession are: the practice of lewd and obscene acts, or even sexual thoughts; horrible smells of bodily ordors or of sulphur, associated with hell; distended stomachs; rapid weight loss where death seems inevitable; changes in the voice to a deep, rasping, menacing, guttural croak. Occasionally there may be signs of automatic writing or levitation." I see nothing in here supernatural, other than the last bit, which is impossible. Did you read this article yourself? "Many of these signs or symptoms can be explained away by modern medical science. Seizures and convulsions are symptoms of epilepsy. Personality changes can indicate hysteria, or schizophrenia, or other psychological malfunctions. Lewd and obscene acts can indicate mental disorders. Having sexual thoughts, if taken seriously as a sign of demonic possession, would indicate nearly all of the modern population is possessed, especially the men. Distended stomachs can indicate malnutrition and other medical disorders. Also, having knowledge of future events or information is known as clairvoyance by many occultists and Neo-pagan witches which they consider a special spiritual gift. In light of such evidence it seems the term demonic possession is hardly functional anymore. Such advanced knowledge is the reason why the Catholic Church has cautioned their priests to investigate the medical and psychological aspects of the person before performing the rite of exorcism. At present, the one main basis for declaring a person possessed seems to be a violent revulsion toward sacred objects and texts." The bit about sacred objects seems to support what I said about belief.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]It was my intention to compare one of those famous American Evangelical exorcisms you see on late-night History Channel diabolical-oriented programs with the implementation of a man well studied in the psychology that many call magic. I could not find the former, so I invite you to watch the latter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sq-YUdq1OI[/QUOTE]
That man didn't "instant convert" anybody! The woman said she understood what her grandmother was talking about. That video is BS.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]It was my intention to compare one of those famous American Evangelical exorcisms you see on late-night History Channel diabolical-oriented programs with the implementation of a man well studied in the psychology that many call magic. I could not find the former, so I invite you to watch the latter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sq-YUdq1OIGameBoy966
That man didn't "instant convert" anybody! The woman said she understood what her grandmother was talking about. That video is BS.
The point was not instant conversion, but the psychology. He does similar things in dozens of other videos, all with the same point of psychological suggestion.[QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.CptJSparrow
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.There IS a scientific field of the study of demons, and it's called demonology. And don't come in here teaching me psychology, because I plan to be one. How do YOU explain the fact that every one of the possesed people were able to speak another language, usually Latin, even though they knew nothing of it? Psychology?
Really? Every single one of them could speak a different language? And I suppose you'll be posting some 23 minutes in hell website to support this? You want me to explain "the fact" of that, yet you are the one making claims of the existence of possession? The burden of proof lies with you. Demonology is not a scientific field just as theology isn't. They both deal with the supernatural and quite frankly don't deserve any notoriety in the scientific community.Then niether does psychology, because that's a SCIENCE that deals in the study of the mind and human behavior, which can only be described as supernatural.
I didn't make this to argue, you know. YOU came in, unprovoked, didn't look at the link I set up, and started this. The 70s movie the exorcist is based on a real exorcism that occured 30-40 years ago. So is the exorcism of emily rose. This is the best link I can find.
The human behavior is supernatural since when? If human behavior is supernatural than all other animals' behavior is supernatural, and we constantly study the behavior of living things by researching their reactions to stimuli. This is where we get reactions. The way our brains are constructed allots for the rest of what we call human behavior. Your article doesn't tell me anything other than that people in the middle ages had to invent supernatural reasons to make up for the gap in technology. Of particular interest was the following: "Here it might be added that a carry over of medieval thought still persists among many Christians, especially the fundamentalists. Although they are firm in their belief of man's sinful nature, they hold God still permits the Devil to try man. Such trials are tests of man's faithfulness to God." "Included in the list of other signs or symptoms for declaring demonic possession are: the practice of lewd and obscene acts, or even sexual thoughts; horrible smells of bodily ordors or of sulphur, associated with hell; distended stomachs; rapid weight loss where death seems inevitable; changes in the voice to a deep, rasping, menacing, guttural croak. Occasionally there may be signs of automatic writing or levitation." I see nothing in here supernatural, other than the last bit, which is impossible. Did you read this article yourself? "Many of these signs or symptoms can be explained away by modern medical science. Seizures and convulsions are symptoms of epilepsy. Personality changes can indicate hysteria, or schizophrenia, or other psychological malfunctions. Lewd and obscene acts can indicate mental disorders. Having sexual thoughts, if taken seriously as a sign of demonic possession, would indicate nearly all of the modern population is possessed, especially the men. Distended stomachs can indicate malnutrition and other medical disorders. Also, having knowledge of future events or information is known as clairvoyance by many occultists and Neo-pagan witches which they consider a special spiritual gift. In light of such evidence it seems the term demonic possession is hardly functional anymore. Such advanced knowledge is the reason why the Catholic Church has cautioned their priests to investigate the medical and psychological aspects of the person before performing the rite of exorcism. At present, the one main basis for declaring a person possessed seems to be a violent revulsion toward sacred objects and texts." The bit about sacred objects seems to support what I said about belief.Like I said, that was the best I could find. And what about human thought? No amount of science can explain that. While it is BELIEVED to be caused by a portion of your brain, nobody KNOWS. And I'd like to bring special attention to this part:
Such advanced knowledge is the reason why the Catholic Church has cautioned their priests to investigate the medical and psychological aspects of the person before performing the rite of exorcism.
What that means is the church trys to find out if the person is actually possesed, or if he is just messed up in the head.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I don't because there's no such thing.GameBoy966
Apparently, you didn't look at the link. And if there's no such thing, then why are there documented exorcisms throughout history (many within the last 50 years)?
Yes, apparently so as I was commenting on your title and not on the video. If there is such thing, then why is there no documented scientific research on the subject of demons? Why is it that simple psychology can explain the affects of an exorcism? The people who the exorcism is performed on believe strongly (or subconsciously as the result of years of indoctrination) in the power and therefore react to it. Prove me wrong.There IS a scientific field of the study of demons, and it's called demonology. And don't come in here teaching me psychology, because I plan to be one. How do YOU explain the fact that every one of the possesed people were able to speak another language, usually Latin, even though they knew nothing of it? Psychology?
Really? Every single one of them could speak a different language? And I suppose you'll be posting some 23 minutes in hell website to support this? You want me to explain "the fact" of that, yet you are the one making claims of the existence of possession? The burden of proof lies with you. Demonology is not a scientific field just as theology isn't. They both deal with the supernatural and quite frankly don't deserve any notoriety in the scientific community.Then niether does psychology, because that's a SCIENCE that deals in the study of the mind and human behavior, which can only be described as supernatural.
I didn't make this to argue, you know. YOU came in, unprovoked, didn't look at the link I set up, and started this. The 70s movie the exorcist is based on a real exorcism that occured 30-40 years ago. So is the exorcism of emily rose. This is the best link I can find.
The human behavior is supernatural since when? If human behavior is supernatural than all other animals' behavior is supernatural, and we constantly study the behavior of living things by researching their reactions to stimuli. This is where we get reactions. The way our brains are constructed allots for the rest of what we call human behavior. Your article doesn't tell me anything other than that people in the middle ages had to invent supernatural reasons to make up for the gap in technology. Of particular interest was the following: "Here it might be added that a carry over of medieval thought still persists among many Christians, especially the fundamentalists. Although they are firm in their belief of man's sinful nature, they hold God still permits the Devil to try man. Such trials are tests of man's faithfulness to God." "Included in the list of other signs or symptoms for declaring demonic possession are: the practice of lewd and obscene acts, or even sexual thoughts; horrible smells of bodily ordors or of sulphur, associated with hell; distended stomachs; rapid weight loss where death seems inevitable; changes in the voice to a deep, rasping, menacing, guttural croak. Occasionally there may be signs of automatic writing or levitation." I see nothing in here supernatural, other than the last bit, which is impossible. Did you read this article yourself? "Many of these signs or symptoms can be explained away by modern medical science. Seizures and convulsions are symptoms of epilepsy. Personality changes can indicate hysteria, or schizophrenia, or other psychological malfunctions. Lewd and obscene acts can indicate mental disorders. Having sexual thoughts, if taken seriously as a sign of demonic possession, would indicate nearly all of the modern population is possessed, especially the men. Distended stomachs can indicate malnutrition and other medical disorders. Also, having knowledge of future events or information is known as clairvoyance by many occultists and Neo-pagan witches which they consider a special spiritual gift. In light of such evidence it seems the term demonic possession is hardly functional anymore. Such advanced knowledge is the reason why the Catholic Church has cautioned their priests to investigate the medical and psychological aspects of the person before performing the rite of exorcism. At present, the one main basis for declaring a person possessed seems to be a violent revulsion toward sacred objects and texts." The bit about sacred objects seems to support what I said about belief.Like I said, that was the best I could find. And what about human thought? No amount of science can explain that. While it is BELIEVED to be caused by a portion of your brain, nobody KNOWS. And I'd like to bring special attention to this part:
Such advanced knowledge is the reason why the Catholic Church has cautioned their priests to investigate the medical and psychological aspects of the person before performing the rite of exorcism.
What that means is the church trys to find out if the person is actually possesed, or if he is just messed up in the head.
Yes, I understand that they do that, however the difference here is something that can be researched and something that is beyond research because as long as it evades the laws of science it evades our research and therefore anyone justifying some supernatural belief are only worshiping a gap in (usually their) knowledge. Nobody knows exactly how our brains function, that is correct, but it can be researched. As the article clearly suggests, the vast majority of all criterion for an exorcism have been replaced with psychiatry and the only thing left is supernatural criterion, which will never happen.Yes, I understand that they do that, however the difference here is something that can be researched and something that is beyond research because as long as it evades the laws of science it evades our research and therefore anyone justifying some supernatural belief are only worshiping a gap in (usually their) knowledge. Nobody knows exactly how our brains function, that is correct, but it can be researched. As the article clearly suggests, the vast majority of all criterion for an exorcism have been replaced with psychiatry and the only thing left is supernatural criterion, which will never happen.CptJSparrow
What about demons and spirits in people's homes? This is usually studied by demonologists, and the demons can be cast out by prayer and exorcisms.
I know that SOME of these things are fake, but it's been proven that some of it is not. And thank you for being respectful; I'll do my best to do the same.
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Yes, I understand that they do that, however the difference here is something that can be researched and something that is beyond research because as long as it evades the laws of science it evades our research and therefore anyone justifying some supernatural belief are only worshiping a gap in (usually their) knowledge. Nobody knows exactly how our brains function, that is correct, but it can be researched. As the article clearly suggests, the vast majority of all criterion for an exorcism have been replaced with psychiatry and the only thing left is supernatural criterion, which will never happen.GameBoy966
What about demons and spirits in people's homes? This is usually studied by demonologists, and the demons can be cast out by prayer and exorcisms.
I know that SOME of these things are fake, but it's been proven that some of it is not.
Proven? How so? Have you ever considered that the "results" of the practice are provided by the "victim's" confidence in the ritual? Once again, demonology is pseudoscience.[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Yes, I understand that they do that, however the difference here is something that can be researched and something that is beyond research because as long as it evades the laws of science it evades our research and therefore anyone justifying some supernatural belief are only worshiping a gap in (usually their) knowledge. Nobody knows exactly how our brains function, that is correct, but it can be researched. As the article clearly suggests, the vast majority of all criterion for an exorcism have been replaced with psychiatry and the only thing left is supernatural criterion, which will never happen.GameBoy966
What about demons and spirits in people's homes? This is usually studied by demonologists, and the demons can be cast out by prayer and exorcisms.
I know that SOME of these things are fake, but it's been proven that some of it is not.
They're all fake, brought into life by a distinct lack of understanding of psychology and biology.Â
[QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Yes, I understand that they do that, however the difference here is something that can be researched and something that is beyond research because as long as it evades the laws of science it evades our research and therefore anyone justifying some supernatural belief are only worshiping a gap in (usually their) knowledge. Nobody knows exactly how our brains function, that is correct, but it can be researched. As the article clearly suggests, the vast majority of all criterion for an exorcism have been replaced with psychiatry and the only thing left is supernatural criterion, which will never happen.-Karayan-
What about demons and spirits in people's homes? This is usually studied by demonologists, and the demons can be cast out by prayer and exorcisms.
I know that SOME of these things are fake, but it's been proven that some of it is not.
They're all fake, brought into life by a distinct lack of understanding of psychology and biology.
Hey foxy.:oops:I've found another link. It's not great, but I'll keep looking.
http://www.logoschristian.org/possession.html
[QUOTE="GameBoy966"]And that, my friends, is why we don't want to legalize drugs.BDM666
Yes, I'm sure every hard drug invented would make a person act like that.Â
fixed. All naturals are fine.
[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="GameBoy966"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Yes, I understand that they do that, however the difference here is something that can be researched and something that is beyond research because as long as it evades the laws of science it evades our research and therefore anyone justifying some supernatural belief are only worshiping a gap in (usually their) knowledge. Nobody knows exactly how our brains function, that is correct, but it can be researched. As the article clearly suggests, the vast majority of all criterion for an exorcism have been replaced with psychiatry and the only thing left is supernatural criterion, which will never happen.CptJSparrow
What about demons and spirits in people's homes? This is usually studied by demonologists, and the demons can be cast out by prayer and exorcisms.
I know that SOME of these things are fake, but it's been proven that some of it is not.
They're all fake, brought into life by a distinct lack of understanding of psychology and biology.
Hey foxy.:oops:Tell you what I'll do: I'll do tons of research, online, in books, everywhere, and post a topic with what I find. Then I will ask if it can be stickied, and we're gonna settle all of this crap. But for now, let's just use this topic for what it was intended: laughing at a German psychopath on the computer.GameBoy966
Because you know better than certified scientists...Â
[QUOTE="GameBoy966"]Tell you what I'll do: I'll do tons of research, online, in books, everywhere, and post a topic with what I find. Then I will ask if it can be stickied, and we're gonna settle all of this crap. But for now, let's just use this topic for what it was intended: laughing at a German psychopath on the computer.-Karayan-
Because you know better than certified scientists...
Indeed. When I did research, I got three people to post. (y)[QUOTE="GameBoy966"]Tell you what I'll do: I'll do tons of research, online, in books, everywhere, and post a topic with what I find. Then I will ask if it can be stickied, and we're gonna settle all of this crap. But for now, let's just use this topic for what it was intended: laughing at a German psychopath on the computer.-Karayan-
Because you know better than certified scientists...Â
That's why I said I'll do RESEARCH! I don't claim to know more than a scientist; I'm 17 for God's sake!
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