Everything we know about the Big Bang could be wrong.

Could the Big Bang theory be wrong? A proposed new model of the universe argues yes — the universe has no origin point at all.

"In science, the theories with the most staying power are the ones that explain what we don't know with the most simplicity and elegance. And surprisingly enough, the simplest new theory in quantum physics may be the one that's most difficult for us to wrap our heads around: That the universe has been around since, well, forever.

"Up until now, the theory that's made the most logical sense to explain how the universe began is the Big Bang, which holds that the universe came to being about 13.8 billion years ago as a result of a single event that launched the universe into a continuous state of expansion. Although this theory has long held its own as a way of understanding Einstein's theory of general relativity, as scientists have delved deeper into the fascinating world of quantum physics, the Big Bang model has been a bit shakier."

Does this mean the big bang theory will be cancelled, or will they just re-brand it?

NOTE: Sorry for two images. This site is a glitchy piece of shit and I can't delete either of them.

any talk of before the expansion of the universe is near pointless anyways

The comments in the article predictably get nasty and religious.

One guy had to say I have a book at home that tells me the answer.

So if the universe has been around forever, why hasn't all the hydrogen ran out?

"The model also avoids utilizing the theoretical existence of Dark Energy to explain why the universe began to quickly accelerate about 7 billion years into its existence. The Ali–Das model proposes that the universe is filled with quantum fluid, perhaps made up of theoretical massless particles called gravitons, which are thought to help mediate the effects of gravity."
Replacing one theoretical force for another, hooray

Never liked the theory of an infinite universe
Doesn't explain the whole expansion thing
And why energy from stars hasn't heat up the entire universe
Plus, eventually everything dies, even black holes

Until a Unified Theory of Gravity comes about
Don't think we'll know the actual answer

The theory went that it was infinite in the sense that it was infinitely expanding.

The theory went that it was infinite in the sense that it was infinitely expanding.

Nothing to see here, just science being science.

Which theory?

creationists are probably freaking out right now

"Just the fact that it is the big bang THEORY(a word which means "guess"), should tell you something about the scientific community"

gold

Do you mean that as in "just science being science, taking its time to forever get us closer to the truth each time" or more like a "science is trash" sort of way?

@comp_atkins: amazing how often you still see comments like that.

Just gonna leave this here.

Yeah, we don't "know" anything about the big bang. It's just an educated guess, but at the same time it's also a large assumption to assume that everything has a beginning and an end because pretty much everything we deal with at our level does. Who's to say that the universe even had a beginning?

-Byshop

Tell me which way you want it and I will oblige.

I think at one time the idea of the infinite universe was believed by many scientists before the Big Bang theory became widely accepted. It would be interesting if science goes back to favoring that theory.

And where is it written that the Big Bang THEORY is right ?

There's a difference between a scientific theory and a theory.

Being a scientific theory doesn´t make it right, it just makes a theory elaborated by scientists, which are human and therefore fallible.

The Big Bang Theory has been the single most widely accepted explanation of the universe for quite some time. It would be a big deal if it were wrong.

Does that mean they're cancelling the show?

Another case of the media totally screwing something up. They aren't really saying there was no big bang but that there was no singularity.

"The physicists have now incorporated principles from quantum mechanics that suggest the universe could have always existed in a "quantum potential". This, in turn, could have eventually collapsed in the hot explosion that was the Big Bang."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/big-bang-not-start-quantum-theory-suggests-universe-has-existed-forever-1487517

So replace singularity with quantum potential and that's where the real meat of the idea is.

Life ain't nothing but fractal

why? what if it was always expanding? on your fingernail is a microscopic world in itself. the theory of relativity to me means just that, space and time is relative to who's looking at it.

Say hello to Entropy.

Interesting theory and all...put not a game changer. There are plenty of alternatives to the origins of the universe that are not the big bang...and no I am not talking about a deity. Plus, most of the science/physics sites I visit haven't really picked up on this, so it doesn't yet seem to be causing much actual buzz.

While that may be true, he's pointing out that there is a difference between the common use of the word theory and a scientific theory

A scientific theory is the highest level of scientific explanations

@darkspineslayer said:

Just gonna leave this here.

Do we really need to bring religion into this thread?

Of course we do. Religion sucks and it's needed to be said on every OT thread until it gets through.

No.

@JangoWuzHere said:

@darkspineslayer said:

Just gonna leave this here.

Do we really need to bring religion into this thread?

Aw c´mon, but that book has absolutely wonderful tales in it, why can´t we bring it in, it must serve to explain something don´tcha think ?

@Master_Live: Having no religion is a religion.

@JimB: no it isn't

@JimB

Stop being dumb.

did you hear that shit universe?

you are not really expanding, quit lying to everyone with that doppler shift.

damn universe, always fucking with people.