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As far as I can tell time travel should be possible, whether or not a human will ever be able to do it, or do it with any kind of precision is debatable.

So long as humans do not go extinct eventually our scientific knowledge will allow us to do things only our gods were able to do until that point.

In the last 100 years we have come so far technology wise, and with the advent of computer technologies it is not impossible to see a similar amount of advancements in the next 100 years. The technology we will have in 100 years will be mind-blowing, as nanotechnology is in its infancy now.

so if in 100 years people will be living twice as long, and computers will be several hundred times faster, new power sources may be discovered for viable commercial use, what about in 1000 years. In 1000 years technologies will be absolutely unlike anything we have today.

if men do not destroy themselves, and avoid natural causes for extinction, for the next 1 000 000 years, wait 1 000 000 000 years, how far can we push technologies how much can we accomplish? I believe one day we will be able to manipulate matter, in so far that we will be able to create star's and star systems, reverse the effects of entropy, and uncover the secrets of our universe to the extent that we can manipulate the fabric of space/time as if we were gods.

Time travel will be possible, by bending space/time. We already have put clocks on space shuttles orbiting the earth and found that time does slow down the faster you go, as Einstein predicted in his theory.

If we do survive for even 10 000 more years as a species don't you think we would have invented time travel, with what would seem by today's standards as infinite wisdom? If this is the truth, then where are the people, who travel time, as easily as they can travel space? Are they here observing, now? Trying not to interfere with what has happened in the past? In order to keep events that have yet to occur, from being altered?

Also the universe is at least 14 billion years old, and life has only been evolving on earth for about 3.7 billion years, what if in the closest galaxy, there was a species that evolved at a similar rate, but started its evolution 4.7 billion years ago, giving them a full billion years to evolve past us, this not only seems plausible, but indeed likely, if there are other earth like planets in the universe (and this can fit easily into the age of the universe as well).

So, if there is another species out there who has technologies 1 billion more years advanced then we do, I think they are already here.

Well just giving you some thoughts, about things that are not only plausible, but likely.

(We only have 5 senses, perhaps this is a very limited few of the universe).

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We have 9 senses...
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#3 Mumbles527
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I've got evidence of time travel! One day, I was sitting at my computer, when all of a sudden there was a big flash of light and then there was a guy standing next to me. He yelled, "Huzzah! I've done it alas! I've traveled through time from the 1800's!" He sounded like he had more to say, but he started to annoy me so I locked him in my closet. He's from the 1800's, no ones going to miss him.
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No...
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Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?
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Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?xaos

I think you can go in the future but not the past, Carl Sagan said that time travel is possible but we obviously don't have near the technology for it.

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Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?xaos


Well I could say that they are here and that they are UFO's etc, but I would rather go with a different explanation:

If you are able to develop a technology that either lets you travel vast distances, or through time, then it is likely that you are able to develop a technology that makes you invisible to the 5 senses of humanity.

Also if they had the ability to travel through time, they could fix any mishaps, they had (if they were seen just travel back in time to fix it).

I have taken many courses dealing with thermodynamics, and have thought about it in great detail. I am working on something to do with the nature of entropy for real in school, and don't want to talk about it now lol.

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#9 ab1205
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Btw according to Einstein too...and listening to Carl Sagan...it's quite possible indeed.
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#10 gomer69
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[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?ab1205

I think you can go in the future but not the past, Carl Sagan said that time travel is possible but we obviously don't have near the technology for it.



I m not saying we have it today, I'm saying give us a billion years R&D time, and we will have it.
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#11 hell_blazer899
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:idea:gomer69

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[QUOTE="ab1205"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?gomer69

I think you can go in the future but not the past, Carl Sagan said that time travel is possible but we obviously don't have near the technology for it.



I m not saying we have it today, I'm saying give us a billion years R&D time, and we will have it.

billion?

We will most likely have that technology within thousands of years. Well, we will develop it in the following thousand years, and master it in tens of thousands of years.

But yes, according to physics, and it's been done by many known physicists,etc and it IS possible for time travel. It's also possible to move from one place to another, as long as it's not faster than the speed of light, but nothing stops it from being 0.9999% of the speed of light. Here's the little scoop from Carl Sagan's interview on CNN that has some discussion on it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dj_MZ6i5Dr0

Around 7:30 he talks about it, but I suggest watching the whole interview (in 5 parts)...it's worth it for everything in it :)

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#13 ab1205
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Also, space colonization will be very important for our future:

Current Nasa chief Michael Griffin has identified space colonization as the ultimate goal of current spaceflight programs, saying:

"...the goal isn't just scientific exploration... it's also about extending the range of human habitat out from Earth into the solar system as we go forward in time. . . . In the long run a single-planet species will not survive... If we humans want to survive for hundreds of thousands or millions of years, we must ultimately populate other planets. Now, today the technology is such that this is barely conceivable. We're in the infancy of it... I'm talking about that one day, I don't know when that day is, but there will be more human beings who live off the Earth than on it. We may well have people living on the moon. We may have people living on the moons of Jupiter and other planets. We may have people making habitats on asteroids... I know that humans will colonize the solar system and one day go beyond."

I suggest reading here as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization

It is quite possible to reform Mars, once we have the technology, by using "terraforming" (as well as venus/mercury)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming

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#14 hell_blazer899
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[QUOTE="ab1205"]:idea:gomer69

:lol:

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#15 gomer69
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[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="ab1205"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?ab1205

I think you can go in the future but not the past, Carl Sagan said that time travel is possible but we obviously don't have near the technology for it.



I m not saying we have it today, I'm saying give us a billion years R&D time, and we will have it.

billion?

We will most likely have that technology within thousands of years. Well, we will develop it in the following thousand years, and master it in tens of thousands of years.

But yes, according to physics, and it's been done by many known physicists,etc and it IS possible for time travel. It's also possible to move from one place to another, as long as it's not faster than the speed of light, but nothing stops it from being 0.9999% of the speed of light. Here's the little scoop from Carl Sagan's interview on CNN that has some discussion on it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dj_MZ6i5Dr0

Around 7:30 he talks about it, but I suggest watching the whole interview (in 5 parts)...it's worth it for everything in it :)



going faster than the speed of light wont be necessary if you know how to bend space (worm holes)
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sorry but I dont like walls.
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#17 muppet1010
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yeah...

just over a hundred years ago it was thought travelling 100 miles an hour was impossible... were now doing mach god knows what in fighter jets....

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#18 -Masterchef-
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I still doubt that it's possible, it just seems so difficult to pull off.
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#19 gomer69
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I still doubt that it's possible, it just seems so difficult to pull off.-Masterchef-


hard to pull off? you think flying was hard to pull off? moon walk with 1960's technology was hard to pull off? create nanomachines is hard to pull off?

any of the discoveries in science were "hard to pull off", otherwise any morron with a mallet and some wood glue could do it.
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I dont think we will ever reach that point...im guessing we will all blow each other up within the next 100 years.....

Nuclear Wars and just pretty much everything destroyed...

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#21 mig_killer2
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time travel is impossible
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#22 comrade_sniperr
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very interesting topic
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#23 gomer69
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time travel is impossiblemig_killer2


no, it is possible, as far as cutting edge physics say. Ask any physist today if it is possible, and they will at least say maybe.
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#24 Agriath
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Quickly, into the Delorean!
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#25 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]time travel is impossiblegomer69


no, it is possible, as far as cutting edge physics say. Ask any physist today if it is possible, and they will at least say maybe.

the science of time travel is on the very edge of our understanding of science and really borders on science fiction
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#26 gomer69
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[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]time travel is impossiblemig_killer2


no, it is possible, as far as cutting edge physics say. Ask any physist today if it is possible, and they will at least say maybe.

the science of time travel is on the very edge of our understanding of science and really borders on science fiction



So is every other aspect of science that has yet to be discovered and implemented into technologies for human use.
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[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?gomer69



Well I could say that they are here and that they are UFO's etc, but I would rather go with a different explanation:

If you are able to develop a technology that either lets you travel vast distances, or through time, then it is likely that you are able to develop a technology that makes you invisible to the 5 senses of humanity.

Also if they had the ability to travel through time, they could fix any mishaps, they had (if they were seen just travel back in time to fix it).

I have taken many courses dealing with thermodynamics, and have thought about it in great detail. I am working on something to do with the nature of entropy for real in school, and don't want to talk about it now lol.

Your thesis is far outside of the realm of science, since like appeals to the supernatural, if places itself completely outside the scope of testability.
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[QUOTE="gomer69"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?xaos



Well I could say that they are here and that they are UFO's etc, but I would rather go with a different explanation:

If you are able to develop a technology that either lets you travel vast distances, or through time, then it is likely that you are able to develop a technology that makes you invisible to the 5 senses of humanity.

Also if they had the ability to travel through time, they could fix any mishaps, they had (if they were seen just travel back in time to fix it).

I have taken many courses dealing with thermodynamics, and have thought about it in great detail. I am working on something to do with the nature of entropy for real in school, and don't want to talk about it now lol.

Your thesis is far outside of the realm of science, since like appeals to the supernatural, if places itself completely outside the scope of testability.



String theory is currently outside the realm of testability, but it will not remain like that indefinitely. Also my theory is supported by circumstantial evidence, and it relies on probabilities, but still has yet to be proven, of course.

Also any scientific thought that is outside the realm of testability at the moment, is considered a philosophy, and not something that is supernatural. Everything that I have suggested does not break the laws of physics as far as we can tell, so there is nothing supernatural about it.
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="gomer69"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?gomer69



Well I could say that they are here and that they are UFO's etc, but I would rather go with a different explanation:

If you are able to develop a technology that either lets you travel vast distances, or through time, then it is likely that you are able to develop a technology that makes you invisible to the 5 senses of humanity.

Also if they had the ability to travel through time, they could fix any mishaps, they had (if they were seen just travel back in time to fix it).

I have taken many courses dealing with thermodynamics, and have thought about it in great detail. I am working on something to do with the nature of entropy for real in school, and don't want to talk about it now lol.

Your thesis is far outside of the realm of science, since like appeals to the supernatural, if places itself completely outside the scope of testability.



String theory is currently outside the realm of testability, but it will not remain like that indefinitely. Also my theory is supported by circumstantial evidence, and it relies on probabilities, but still has yet to be proven, of course.

Also any scientific thought that is outside the realm of testability at the moment, is considered a philosophy, and not something that is supernatural. Everything that I have suggested does not break the laws of physics as far as we can tell, so there is nothing supernatural about it.

Yeah, but the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics or the notion that there is just one electron in the universe are also consistent with the laws of physics, but that doesn't mean that scientists take them seriously or consider them worthwhile fields of inquiry. And string theory does seem likely to remain untestable, as despite nearly 2 decades of development, no even future, prospective tests have been devised for it. The reason I made the supernatural comparison (not saying your claim was supernatural, but that is used analogous rhetorical methods) is that you saying "Oh they have technology that makes them undetectable" is like making the same claim for UFOs being overhead right now or the reason for inconsistencies is "creation science" is because God exists outside physical laws so any inconsistencies are just His will. I'm not saying you can't/shouldn't hold the beliefs you do, just that they are not scientific.
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#30 gs_gear
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Here is your evidence link :|
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[QUOTE="gomer69"]

[QUOTE="ab1205"]:idea:hell_blazer899

:lol:

:lol::lol:

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#32 OfficialJab
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I'm sorry, you mentioned something about evidence?

Here is your evidence link :|gs_gear
And lol wut? He went deep into his kitchen counter, stood up inside and was in the future?

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We'll be extinct by then :(
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Only 2 things come to mind.

a. It's not possible and never will be or else someone would of come from the future by now.

b. It's possible but you can't be seen or heard so you can't alter history.

I belive in a.

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~-~So, because we will have thousands and thousands of years to think of stuff that's evidence of time travel? The only "time travel" we probably could ever come up with (not saying we will) is some kind of freezing tube that lets you wait till it's the future. But does that even count as time travel? And btw, if it was possible to travel to the future in a non waiting form, then that means the future and the path we'll go through to get there already exists. Doesn't that mean we don't have free will because we're forced down a single pre set path? (points to anyone who gets this.:P)~-~
going faster than the speed of light wont be necessary if you know how to bend space (worm holes)gomer69
~-~Bend space? I don't know much about worm holes but in order to bend space you would have to be able to move it in the forth dimension. If we had that control then we would probably have time travel. I don't know anything about worm holes though, I'm going to check Wikipedia to see if there's really something to think about or if it's just more sci-fi stuff.~-~
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[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="gomer69"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?xaos



Well I could say that they are here and that they are UFO's etc, but I would rather go with a different explanation:

If you are able to develop a technology that either lets you travel vast distances, or through time, then it is likely that you are able to develop a technology that makes you invisible to the 5 senses of humanity.

Also if they had the ability to travel through time, they could fix any mishaps, they had (if they were seen just travel back in time to fix it).

I have taken many courses dealing with thermodynamics, and have thought about it in great detail. I am working on something to do with the nature of entropy for real in school, and don't want to talk about it now lol.

Your thesis is far outside of the realm of science, since like appeals to the supernatural, if places itself completely outside the scope of testability.



String theory is currently outside the realm of testability, but it will not remain like that indefinitely. Also my theory is supported by circumstantial evidence, and it relies on probabilities, but still has yet to be proven, of course.

Also any scientific thought that is outside the realm of testability at the moment, is considered a philosophy, and not something that is supernatural. Everything that I have suggested does not break the laws of physics as far as we can tell, so there is nothing supernatural about it.

Yeah, but the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics or the notion that there is just one electron in the universe are also consistent with the laws of physics, but that doesn't mean that scientists take them seriously or consider them worthwhile fields of inquiry. And string theory does seem likely to remain untestable, as despite nearly 2 decades of development, no even future, prospective tests have been devised for it. The reason I made the supernatural comparison (not saying your claim was supernatural, but that is used analogous rhetorical methods) is that you saying "Oh they have technology that makes them undetectable" is like making the same claim for UFOs being overhead right now or the reason for inconsistencies is "creation science" is because God exists outside physical laws so any inconsistencies are just His will. I'm not saying you can't/shouldn't hold the beliefs you do, just that they are not scientific.



Actually they are building new atom smashers now that accelerate microscopic particles fast enough to perhaps generate enough energy to test the superstring theory.

What happens is, if the total final energy during the collision is less than the total initial energy then this would suggest that some energy has leaked out of the universe, which superstring theory predicts will happen.

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~-~So, because we will have thousands and thousands of years to think of stuff that's evidence of time travel? The only "time travel" we probably could ever come up with (not saying we will) is some kind of freezing tube that lets you wait till it's the future. But does that even count as time travel? And btw, if it was possible to travel to the future in a non waiting form, then that means the future and the path we'll go through to get there already exists. Doesn't that mean we don't have free will because we're forced down a single pre set path? (points to anyone who gets this.:P)~-~ [QUOTE="gomer69"]going faster than the speed of light wont be necessary if you know how to bend space (worm holes)The_PirateKing
~-~Bend space? I don't know much about worm holes but in order to bend space you would have to be able to move it in the forth dimension. If we had that control then we would probably have time travel. I don't know anything about worm holes though, I'm going to check Wikipedia to see if there's really something to think about or if it's just more sci-fi stuff.~-~



No that does not suggest that the future can be known, but it does suggest that you can travel there. It is like saying, if I sit on my bed for the next 5 minutes then I will be in the future, since I can travel to the future then the future must already exist, and therefore we do not have free will.

Also people have already in the current day moved faster through time then how time exists here on earth. So this is not fiction. The faster you move the faster through time everything else moves. People have tested this by putting very accurate clocks on space shuttles orbiting the earth, and they all agree with the theory.

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I've got evidence of time travel! One day, I was sitting at my computer, when all of a sudden there was a big flash of light and then there was a guy standing next to me. He yelled, "Huzzah! I've done it alas! I've traveled through time from the 1800's!" He sounded like he had more to say, but he started to annoy me so I locked him in my closet. He's from the 1800's, no ones going to miss him.Mumbles527
Bad news: I got out. And I haven't forgotten you. :|
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#39 ab1205
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It's not impossible.

According to Einstein's "general relativity" it is possible. Most of the physicists,etc today believe it's possible.

However, we do not have near the required technology for it, but in a thousand years or so, we will start to develop the idea and perhaps later on master it, such as travelling between two places through wormholes, and going into the future (though going into the past is debatable but perhaps not do-able).

Science has progressed a LOT in the last few centuries, who says the same is not to be done for the next few centuries? Things we have today, could've been never imagined in the past, and were to be looked upon as fairy tales. But in reality, many things are possible.

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#40 aRE-you-AFraid
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in the next 100 years we will destroy ourselves. Have we not learned anything in the past 100 years. 2 world wars, massive bombs, and corrupt power. I don't know if the world will see other 100 years.
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#41 M1Hunter66
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Time is created by man. Time is mearly a measurment of the earth orbiting the sun, and is not any kind of physical matter. It canno't be altered. In fact, the only way of going back in time is to declare the date to be whatever you want it to be and have it approved by the general public.
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#42 cool_baller
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What if our technology doesn't advance anymore after a certain time? What if there is a limit?
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#43 br0kenrabbit
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Time is created by man. M1Hunter66
Not true. In order for movement to exist, time must exist. That's why speed=distance/time. You cannot traverse distance without also traversing time. And since all things in the universe are in motion...
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#44 M1Hunter66
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[QUOTE="M1Hunter66"]Time is created by man. br0kenrabbit
Not true. In order for movement to exist, time must exist. That's why speed=distance/time. You cannot traverse distance without also traversing time. And since all things in the universe are in motion...

But distance is also created by man. Who says we need to measure by feet and inches, miles and kilometers? All that is is just a way to understand how far away point A is from point B. Speed is the same thing, except it is a judgement of how long it takes to get from point A and point B using the time that we created ourselves.

Just think, if we all of a sudden went to, say, metric time, then our whole understanding of speed and distance would change because none of them are physical objects which can be screwed with, other than changing them of course.

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#45 cool_baller
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The Measurement of Time and Distance was created by Man, not the actual ideas/things.
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#46 drewtwo99
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I am a physics major, and I endorse this thread!
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#47 br0kenrabbit
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But distance is also created by man. Who says we need to measure by feet and inches, miles and kilometers?

M1Hunter66
The Measurement of Time and Distance was created by Man, not the actual ideas/things.cool_baller
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#48 Darth_Tyrev
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Backwards time travel is not possible, however forward time travel is (read about it sometime).
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#49 middito
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good topic
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#50 Dariency
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Time is created by man. Time is mearly a measurment of the earth orbiting the sun, and is not any kind of physical matter. It canno't be altered. In fact, the only way of going back in time is to declare the date to be whatever you want it to be and have it approved by the general public.M1Hunter66

I agree. Time is just a word. An hour, a minute, a year, they're all words used to measure how long ago something has happened, and to keep track of past, present, and future events. Time is not a physical object. You cannot touch, hear, see, or feel it through any means. Therefore, how can you travel through it?

Just because a clock slows down when you put it on a fast moving jet doesn't prove that time exists as a type of force or object. Granted, I don't know how else the clock could slow down unless it was caused by the simple fact that you were going so fast that air pressure altered the movement of the clock. Still, I see no evidence that time can really be altered or traveled through in any way.