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#1 BluRayHiDef
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What are your thoughts on Facebook having gone public and the controversy regarding the fact that only certain investors were alerted to Facebook's declining stock-value in time to withdraw their stock? Also, do you think its stock-value will eventually rise to a value far above its greatest past value (~$45.00)?

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#2 BossPerson
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Way too overpriced. And I dont really see the reason for them to go public, they dont need the money and zuckerburg would just have less control if its public company.

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#3 SteverXIII
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All I have to say, the company is very overvalued.
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#4 Pirate700
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Would never invest in it. There's always something new around the bend and facebook won't be around forever.

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#5 BluRayHiDef
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All I have to say, the company is very overvalued. SteverXIII

Well, its current stock-value is less than its initial one. I believe that it's currently ~$31.00. Do you consider even the current value to be too much?

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#6 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]All I have to say, the company is very overvalued. BluRayHiDef

Well, its current stock-value is less than its initial one. I believe that it's currently ~$31.00. Do you consider even the current value to be too much?

That depends entirely on how many shares there are.

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#7 Omni-Slash
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Sellouts...Facebook use to be sooo cool...now they are like totally commercial man.....I'll never use it again....(realizes he's still logged into it)...umm..never-mind....
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#8 CHOASXIII
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I could care less and I hope it tanks, just so I can lol.

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#9 xXDrPainXx
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Over-hyped train wreck is what it was. I laughed at the whole notion of only select people can buy the shares than that **** bombed hard and 2.2billion was "lost" in like 24 hours or something.

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#10 Cloud_765
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Would never invest in it. There's always something new around the bend and facebook won't be around forever.

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I'm waiting for the day that happens. MySpace didn't last this long as social network king compared to Facebook.
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#11 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Would never invest in it. There's always something new around the bend and facebook won't be around forever.

Cloud_765

I'm waiting for the day that happens. MySpace didn't last this long as social network king compared to Facebook.

Facebook may very well last for a long time by website standards but there will always be new services. Twitter is a shining example. They are different services but they cater to similar bases. The more social media sites there are, the lower the facebook stock will fall. Also FB isn't a giant revinue generating company. Their value comes off potential for the site. Companies that aren't in the business of making money won't see high stock prices forever.

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#12 DeadMan1290
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Would never invest in it. There's always something new around the bend and facebook won't be around forever.

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This, people think Facebook is unsinkable. It's not! I've always said the obvious, one day something new will come out and people are going to forget Facebook...
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#13 superfluidity
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This IPO was basically a cash out for the founders. Offering stock is supposed to raise money for a growing business, whereas Facebook is already dominant in its industry.

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#14 LJS9502_basic
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I don't care.....
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#15 XaosII
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I'm not saying that Facebook is going to last forever, but im fairly certain most of you are still underestimating how powerful Facebook is. To give a perfect analogy, think of World of Warcraft.

Time and time again somebody releases an MMO that does, graphics, combat, mechanics, social integration, questing, etc better than WoW.So why has nearly every other MMO fizzled while the 800 Pound gorilla remain untounched? Because their friends play it. And it seems like every year someone decalres upcoming X MMO as a "WoW killer" and every year, it never happens.

Until a new social media site is able to convert not just users but their friends along with it, Facebook will still be the dominant social media website. And that can be quite a lot more years.

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#16 LJS9502_basic
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I'm not saying that Facebook is going to last forever, but im fairly certain most of you are still underestimating how powerful Facebook is. To give a perfect analogy, think of World of Warcraft.

Time and time again somebody releases an MMO that does, graphics, combat, mechanics, social integration, questing, etc better than WoW.So why has nearly every other MMO fizzled while the 800 Pound gorilla remain untounched? Because their friends play it. And it seems like every year someone decalres upcoming X MMO as a "WoW killer" and every year, it never happens.

Until a new social media site is able to convert not just users but their friends along with it, Facebook will still be the dominant social media website. And that can be quite a lot more years.

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I'd say Facebook is probably at it's peak of popularity. Nowhere to go but down....
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#17 Pirate700
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I'm not saying that Facebook is going to last forever, but im fairly certain most of you are still underestimating how powerful Facebook is. To give a perfect analogy, think of World of Warcraft.

Time and time again somebody releases an MMO that does, graphics, combat, mechanics, social integration, questing, etc better than WoW.So why has nearly every other MMO fizzled while the 800 Pound gorilla remain untounched? Because their friends play it. And it seems like every year someone decalres upcoming X MMO as a "WoW killer" and every year, it never happens.

Until a new social media site is able to convert not just users but their friends along with it, Facebook will still be the dominant social media website. And that can be quite a lot more years.

XaosII

The difference is WoW/blizz generates revenue. FB does not. They are not a paid service. As such they can't even offer their investors dividends. Investing in FB is just investing in how long the site will be popular and how long the stock will be a "fun" stock to own.

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#18 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Facebook still has to show how it can make money.

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#19 branketra
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That was a bit unscrupulous of them. Anyway, I wonder if this will have any impact on the users at all.
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#20 MrPraline
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Way beyond overvalued mess of an IPO. I've been saying it for months, I can't believe people are actually surprised it's crashing and burning. I do understand why they went public, though. I just hope for Marky's sake he's cashing soon.
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

I'm not saying that Facebook is going to last forever, but im fairly certain most of you are still underestimating how powerful Facebook is. To give a perfect analogy, think of World of Warcraft.

Time and time again somebody releases an MMO that does, graphics, combat, mechanics, social integration, questing, etc better than WoW.So why has nearly every other MMO fizzled while the 800 Pound gorilla remain untounched? Because their friends play it. And it seems like every year someone decalres upcoming X MMO as a "WoW killer" and every year, it never happens.

Until a new social media site is able to convert not just users but their friends along with it, Facebook will still be the dominant social media website. And that can be quite a lot more years.

Pirate700

The difference is WoW/blizz generates revenue. FB does not. They are not a paid service. As such they can't even offer their investors dividends. Investing in FB is just investing in how long the site will be popular and how long the stock will be a "fun" stock to own.

Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.
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#22 DeadMan1290
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Facebook reached it's peak. Where can it go after it's already on the top? Down....

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

I'm not saying that Facebook is going to last forever, but im fairly certain most of you are still underestimating how powerful Facebook is. To give a perfect analogy, think of World of Warcraft.

Time and time again somebody releases an MMO that does, graphics, combat, mechanics, social integration, questing, etc better than WoW.So why has nearly every other MMO fizzled while the 800 Pound gorilla remain untounched? Because their friends play it. And it seems like every year someone decalres upcoming X MMO as a "WoW killer" and every year, it never happens.

Until a new social media site is able to convert not just users but their friends along with it, Facebook will still be the dominant social media website. And that can be quite a lot more years.

MrPraline

The difference is WoW/blizz generates revenue. FB does not. They are not a paid service. As such they can't even offer their investors dividends. Investing in FB is just investing in how long the site will be popular and how long the stock will be a "fun" stock to own.

Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.

By ads, and selling personal data to advertisers to get more specific ads tailored to you.

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#24 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]The difference is WoW/blizz generates revenue. FB does not. They are not a paid service. As such they can't even offer their investors dividends. Investing in FB is just investing in how long the site will be popular and how long the stock will be a "fun" stock to own.

dercoo

Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.

By ads, and selling personal data to advertisers to get more specific ads tailored to you.

Oh, I know (suspect) most of it is because of selling personal information (no way they will get close to 4 billion from the ads they have), but that's not really something they like to admit. I wonder what their financial statements say about this, haven't read any.
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#25 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

I'm not saying that Facebook is going to last forever, but im fairly certain most of you are still underestimating how powerful Facebook is. To give a perfect analogy, think of World of Warcraft.

Time and time again somebody releases an MMO that does, graphics, combat, mechanics, social integration, questing, etc better than WoW.So why has nearly every other MMO fizzled while the 800 Pound gorilla remain untounched? Because their friends play it. And it seems like every year someone decalres upcoming X MMO as a "WoW killer" and every year, it never happens.

Until a new social media site is able to convert not just users but their friends along with it, Facebook will still be the dominant social media website. And that can be quite a lot more years.

MrPraline

The difference is WoW/blizz generates revenue. FB does not. They are not a paid service. As such they can't even offer their investors dividends. Investing in FB is just investing in how long the site will be popular and how long the stock will be a "fun" stock to own.

Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.

They generate ad revenue. The PRODUCT doesn't generate anything. When their popularity goes down, the ad revenue goes with it.

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#26 DeadMan1290
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]The difference is WoW/blizz generates revenue. FB does not. They are not a paid service. As such they can't even offer their investors dividends. Investing in FB is just investing in how long the site will be popular and how long the stock will be a "fun" stock to own.

dercoo

Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.

By ads, and selling personal data to advertisers to get more specific ads tailored to you.

That's good business. $3.7 billion by doing that is pretty good.
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#27 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]The difference is WoW/blizz generates revenue. FB does not. They are not a paid service. As such they can't even offer their investors dividends. Investing in FB is just investing in how long the site will be popular and how long the stock will be a "fun" stock to own.

Pirate700

Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.

They generate ad revenue. The PRODUCT doesn't generate anything. When their popularity goes down, the ad revenue goes with it.

Doesn't matter. Same can be said for WoW, or ANY brand, anyway.
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#29 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.MrPraline

They generate ad revenue. The PRODUCT doesn't generate anything. When their popularity goes down, the ad revenue goes with it.

Doesn't matter. Same can be said for WoW, or ANY brand, anyway.

No it can't. WoW directly makes profits as it's a paid subscription and you have to buy the game itself.

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#30 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Oh no, FB definitely generates revenue (3.7 billion). The biggest question is with what exactly.DeadMan1290

By ads, and selling personal data to advertisers to get more specific ads tailored to you.

That's good business. $3.7 billion by doing that is pretty good.

People tend to forget how lucrative advertising is,

Not that all that is ad related. Some side business deals help bolster that too.(wanna make Facebook caps, fine, but give us half your profit)

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#31 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]They generate ad revenue. The PRODUCT doesn't generate anything. When their popularity goes down, the ad revenue goes with it.

Pirate700

Doesn't matter. Same can be said for WoW, or ANY brand, anyway.

No it can't. WoW directly makes profits as it's a paid subscription and you have to buy the game itself.

Yes and when WoW's popularity goes down so will their revenue (subscriptions), which was your argument against Facebook. I'm not sure why you cannot accept that FB generates billions of real revenue.
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#32 dercoo
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I will put it this way.

I think there is still strong future growth for a social networking site that has a good base. Clearly facebook has that position. That said, as a programmer myself with experience in web development I can say that facebook it self really isnt all that special. From a technical standpoint it wouldnt be at all hard to blow them out of the water, however one clearly needs users which is where they shine.

I will also say I thought the idea of a search engine company growing to the point of being a threat to a company like microsoft was totally crazy talk. Then came the super phones.

SEANMCAD

Google+ already blows them out of the water, the problem as you noted is users.

Facebook has an intrenched user base, Google + and simuliar future services have a long uphill fight to steal them.

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#33 4dr1el
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Would never invest in it. There's always something new around the bend and facebook won't be around forever.

DeadMan1290

This, people think Facebook is unsinkable. It's not! I've always said the obvious, one day something new will come out and people are going to forget Facebook...

I still remember when everyone I knew used MSN... now its a ghost town. Besides me and some really (really) few survivors no one uses it anymore. FB will be the same sh*t I hope

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#36 DeadMan1290
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[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Would never invest in it. There's always something new around the bend and facebook won't be around forever.

4dr1el

This, people think Facebook is unsinkable. It's not! I've always said the obvious, one day something new will come out and people are going to forget Facebook...

I still remember when everyone I knew used MSN... now its a ghost town. Besides me and some really (really) few survivors no one uses it anymore. FB will be the same sh*t I hope

It will, it may take some time, but it will.
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#37 Mochyc
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Statistically, the grand majority of IPOs are overvalued and the stocks decline in value afterwards.
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I don't care.....LJS9502_basic
This.
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#39 ZumaJones07
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facebook won't tank ever, people are too lazy to move their info to another thing whilst leaving the previous content on the net forever.
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#40 DarkOfKnight
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Overpriced. They just got greedy.
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#41 waterproof9
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The stock is way over-priced. It will not rise way higher unless someone can figure out how to get businesses really using FB for large selling and purchasing transactions. Too risky. That's why only certain people were told of the inflated stock price.

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don't make an account, simple

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#43 jetpower3
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A market cap of ~$68 billion and a PE ratio of over 100? I'll pass most definitely.

Really people, if you want to take a chance or high amount of risk on any newly traded company, try companies that are 100x smaller.