Fact: Muslim Woman are not requiered to where Burgas, and other myths busted.

It is not apart of the religion, just more of a cultural item. Its origins were from the prophet muhammed's wife whereing one in public, out of basic culture. of cource woman practice to be more like these woman.

Regarding Muhammed being shown in cartoons: Yes, i am aware that this is a very grey issue and mostly is seen as ridiculous. but really in islam they hide the Muhammeds idenity out of the basics that there not really sure what it looks like. theyd rather not get it wrong than show it at all. this also goes for the rest of the prohets like jesus, moses, and abraham.

The controversey with southpark, i have seen these episodes, and i will admit, i found them entertaining. im glad they could make the episodes hilarious featuring muhammed with out saying anything offensive or making him saying something riduiculous, let alone showing him. the bear costume was pure genius. im not sure if even that would enrage some, but i for one am not.

Muslims are not terrorists. Yes, as simple as that. ones that claim kill of innocents are justified, are extremists. the same kind of extremists that crucifed "witches" in the middle ages. its just a steryotype, but ends are always justified.

The Real Reason Osamaba Binladan is attacking: Bin ladan is rarely making new video tapes. Television news broadcasts only seem to show his actions in suicide bombings, and other mass murders. But what news networks seem to skip over is WHY Bin ladan is doing this. Yes, yes, i know he hates freedom, women driving, and even hot dogs. But thats really not why hes attacking us. Even though thoughs may be opinions of Bin Laden, there is alot of truth in his quest. I am not saying this is right though. I feel very strongly against murdering of innocents. Which is the same way Bin laden feels about whats going on in his country. He is attacking because the US cannot seem to stop "liberating" foreign countries. The US is tyranting in other countires. The example of the army in the Apatchi killing civilians unjsutified like i saw on the OT the other day. These things happen alot. Bin Laden wants this to stop and the US to simply, mind their own buisness. Its a vicious cirlce. The US is here to bring "peace" in the middle east by cracking down on militia "insurgences" and terrorists. But the terrorits are attacking us because we are there. Weve been there for a while now. I think its time weve stopped and listened to whats really going on.

This is just a long feud going on still. Middle East vs the West. Been happening since the days of crusades! You can blame the US lap dog know as israel for alot of the US hate in the middle east. Hilariously enough it's the british sticking their noises in things which facilitated the Israeli state and victories over Egypt and friends but US ties with Israeli make them associated with Israeli more than the british.

I already knew most of this stuff, but a lot of people don't.

The Osama Bin Laden part is especially true, a lot of people act like these guys woke up one day and just randomly started hating everything about the U.S. if you look at our past policies in the Middle East you'll understand why a lot of them dislike the U.S.

I'm pretty sure the qu'ran doesn't say anything about eating pork either

I laugh at people who say women in the US are treated better than other parts of the globe. Have you see the porn industry in America? We have the most made porn in the US and yet we have an issue with how women dress in other parts of the world. Pure hipocracy.

I'm pretty sure the qu'ran doesn't say anything about eating pork either

Rainbow_Lion

I laugh at people who say women in the US are treated better than other parts of the globe. Have you see the porn industry in America? We have the most made porn in the US and yet we have an issue with how women dress in other parts of the world. Pure hipocracy.

GTA3_Darkel

Nobody is forcing those people to enter the porn industry. How exactly are they being mistreated? :?

I laugh at people who say women in the US are treated better than other parts of the globe. Have you see the porn industry in America? We have the most made porn in the US and yet we have an issue with how women dress in other parts of the world. Pure hipocracy.

GTA3_Darkel

Funny and to my surprise what a topic i found on this site!!!

i nt saying it cause its an extremely controversialtopic bt how it deviated from the gaming site itself! XD

and that ppl wont really post dere honest opinion to how they feel bcuz of rules for this type of forum!

Surprisingly enough the discussion about the burqua was nt really discussed! lol

bt i will tell u this, living in saudi arabia a well over 16 years made me realize alot of things....

about the borqua only is dat its a must for a muslim women to wear it at all times in present of nt "direct family" ppl

only thing might be a miss conception is dat wearing the veil to cover the full face its just a cultural thing!

bt i do feel sorry fr women in general as dere are more ristriction other than borqua in places like where i used to stay! (KSA)

Do reply to watever opinion you feel

It is not apart of the religion, just more of a cultural item. Its origins were from the prophet muhammed's wife whereing one in public, out of basic culture. of cource woman practice to be more like these woman.

Regarding Muhammed being shown in cartoons: Yes, i am aware that this is a very grey issue and mostly is seen as ridiculous. but really in islam they hide the Muhammeds idenity out of the basics that there not really sure what it looks like. theyd rather not get it wrong than show it at all. this also goes for the rest of the prohets like jesus, moses, and abraham.

The controversey with southpark, i have seen these episodes, and i will admit, i found them entertaining. im glad they could make the episodes hilarious featuring muhammed with out saying anything offensive or making him saying something riduiculous, let alone showing him. the bear costume was pure genius. im not sure if even that would enrage some, but i for one am not.

Muslims are not terrorists. Yes, as simple as that. ones that claim kill of innocents are justified, are extremists. the same kind of extremists that crucifed "witches" in the middle ages. its just a steryotype, but ends are always justified.

The Real Reason Osamaba Binladan is attacking: Bin ladan is rarely making new video tapes. Television news broadcasts only seem to show his actions in suicide bombings, and other mass murders. But what news networks seem to skip over is WHY Bin ladan is doing this. Yes, yes, i know he hates freedom, women driving, and even hot dogs. But thats really not why hes attacking us. Even though thoughs may be opinions of Bin Laden, there is alot of truth in his quest. I am not saying this is right though. I feel very strongly against murdering of innocents. Which is the same way Bin laden feels about whats going on in his country. He is attacking because the US cannot seem to stop "liberating" foreign countries. The US is tyranting in other countires. The example of the army in the Apatchi killing civilians unjsutified like i saw on the OT the other day. These things happen alot. Bin Laden wants this to stop and the US to simply, mind their own buisness. Its a vicious cirlce. The US is here to bring "peace" in the middle east by cracking down on militia "insurgences" and terrorists. But the terrorits are attacking us because we are there. Weve been there for a while now. I think its time weve stopped and listened to whats really going on.

nintend-man86

1. Yes, burqa is a cultural thing and isn't mandated by Islamic law. The hijab, however, is mandatory for a Muslim woman.

2. Muhammad did not want people to make illustrations of him because he believed that over time, people would revere him as a God-like figure just as Christians did with Jesus (as opposed to worshiping God).

3. Many Muslims I know always blame all of the wrongdoings in the Islamic world on the extremists. I always ask them where and what are the so-called "real Muslims" doing about it?

4. The way Bin Laden and other terrorist organizations go about defending Muslims is in complete violation of Islamic law.

bt i will tell u this, living in saudi arabia a well over 16 years made me realize alot of things....

about the borqua only is dat its a must for a muslim women to wear it at all times in present of nt "direct family" ppl

only thing might be a miss conception is dat wearing the veil to cover the full face its just a cultural thing!

sad6549775

The full hijab is required for Muslim women when in presence of any individual that could legally marry them (in general, a non-direct family member). Hijab is NOT the same thing as the burqa. Saudi Arabia's legal system is a huge perversion of Shariah law and really isn't reflective of how Islamic law is supposed to be practiced.

The full hijab is required for Muslim women when in presence of any individual that could legally marry them (in general, a non-direct family member). Hijab is NOT the same thing as the burqa. Saudi Arabia's legal system is a huge perversion of Shariah law and really isn't reflective of how Islamic law is supposed to be practiced.

Sky-

dat is nt true as a borqua is required also to prevent revealing of the body structure. This another rule apart from showing a women hair... It might be considered that alot of the rules are extreme and enforced in KSA but these rules are stated in the religion-hence the borqua was the perfect thing to accomplish both ideas ps. only hijab is much better solution but facts are facts if u dont want to "sin" as stated in Islam

1. Yes, burqa is a cultural thing and isn't mandated by Islamic law. The hijab, however, is mandatory for a Muslim woman.

2. Muhammad did not want people to make illustrations of him because he believed that over time, people would revere him as a God-like figure just as Christians did with Jesus (as opposed to worshiping God).

3. Many Muslims I know always blame all of the wrongdoings in the Islamic world on the extremists. I always ask them where and what are the so-called "real Muslims" doing about it?

4. The way Bin Laden and other terrorist organizations go about defending Muslims is in complete violation of Islamic law.

Sky-

The Real Reason Osamaba Binladan is attacking: Bin ladan is rarely making new video tapes. Television news broadcasts only seem to show his actions in suicide bombings, and other mass murders. But what news networks seem to skip over is WHY Bin ladan is doing this. Yes, yes, i know he hates freedom, women driving, and even hot dogs. But thats really not why hes attacking us. Even though thoughs may be opinions of Bin Laden, there is alot of truth in his quest. I am not saying this is right though. I feel very strongly against murdering of innocents. Which is the same way Bin laden feels about whats going on in his country. He is attacking because the US cannot seem to stop "liberating" foreign countries. The US is tyranting in other countires. The example of the army in the Apatchi killing civilians unjsutified like i saw on the OT the other day. These things happen alot. Bin Laden wants this to stop and the US to simply, mind their own buisness. Its a vicious cirlce. The US is here to bring "peace" in the middle east by cracking down on militia "insurgences" and terrorists. But the terrorits are attacking us because we are there. Weve been there for a while now. I think its time weve stopped and listened to whats really going on.

nintend-man86

Yeah.... Because during the Bush Administration, we attacked the Middle East first then Osama had to respond by attacking our two towers... It's ridiculous to say that Islamic terrorists are attacking us because we're there. No matter what the west does, terrorists will always propagate fear in order to achieve their goal: Terror. When a Swedish cartoonist drew a cartoon of Muhammad, were there any Swedish occupiers in the Middle East? No yet there were still death threats and attempted assasinations. There is terrorism in Spain and Russia yet both aren't involved in the Middle East as occupiers (And no, George is a Christian nation). Bin Laden isn't an exception. He's nothing more than a mere criminal.

And to you, what is peace? Is it when there are no wars? Or when injustice plagues a country where the world looks the other way fearing war or terror?

Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979. That's how most terrorist organization came into existence - the US funded Al-Qaeda/Taliban and all those terrorist groups to terrorize Russia.

[QUOTE="nintend-man86"]

The Real Reason Osamaba Binladan is attacking: Bin ladan is rarely making new video tapes. Television news broadcasts only seem to show his actions in suicide bombings, and other mass murders. But what news networks seem to skip over is WHY Bin ladan is doing this. Yes, yes, i know he hates freedom, women driving, and even hot dogs. But thats really not why hes attacking us. Even though thoughs may be opinions of Bin Laden, there is alot of truth in his quest. I am not saying this is right though. I feel very strongly against murdering of innocents. Which is the same way Bin laden feels about whats going on in his country. He is attacking because the US cannot seem to stop "liberating" foreign countries. The US is tyranting in other countires. The example of the army in the Apatchi killing civilians unjsutified like i saw on the OT the other day. These things happen alot. Bin Laden wants this to stop and the US to simply, mind their own buisness. Its a vicious cirlce. The US is here to bring "peace" in the middle east by cracking down on militia "insurgences" and terrorists. But the terrorits are attacking us because we are there. Weve been there for a while now. I think its time weve stopped and listened to whats really going on.

leviathan91

Yeah.... Because during the Bush Administration, we attacked the Middle East first then Osama had to respond by attacking our two towers... It's ridiculous to say that Islamic terrorists are attacking us because we're there. No matter what the west does, terrorists will always propagate fear in order to achieve their goal: Terror. When a Swedish cartoonist drew a cartoon of Muhammad, were there any Swedish occupiers in the Middle East? No yet there were still death threats and attempted assasinations. There is terrorism in Spain and Russia yet both aren't involved in the Middle East as occupiers (And no, George is a Christian nation). Bin Laden isn't an exception. He's nothing more than a mere criminal.

And to you, what is peace? Is it when there are no wars? Or when injustice plagues a country where the world looks the other way fearing war or terror?

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="nintend-man86"]

The Real Reason Osamaba Binladan is attacking: Bin ladan is rarely making new video tapes. Television news broadcasts only seem to show his actions in suicide bombings, and other mass murders. But what news networks seem to skip over is WHY Bin ladan is doing this. Yes, yes, i know he hates freedom, women driving, and even hot dogs. But thats really not why hes attacking us. Even though thoughs may be opinions of Bin Laden, there is alot of truth in his quest. I am not saying this is right though. I feel very strongly against murdering of innocents. Which is the same way Bin laden feels about whats going on in his country. He is attacking because the US cannot seem to stop "liberating" foreign countries. The US is tyranting in other countires. The example of the army in the Apatchi killing civilians unjsutified like i saw on the OT the other day. These things happen alot. Bin Laden wants this to stop and the US to simply, mind their own buisness. Its a vicious cirlce. The US is here to bring "peace" in the middle east by cracking down on militia "insurgences" and terrorists. But the terrorits are attacking us because we are there. Weve been there for a while now. I think its time weve stopped and listened to whats really going on.

conistant

Yeah.... Because during the Bush Administration, we attacked the Middle East first then Osama had to respond by attacking our two towers... It's ridiculous to say that Islamic terrorists are attacking us because we're there. No matter what the west does, terrorists will always propagate fear in order to achieve their goal: Terror. When a Swedish cartoonist drew a cartoon of Muhammad, were there any Swedish occupiers in the Middle East? No yet there were still death threats and attempted assasinations. There is terrorism in Spain and Russia yet both aren't involved in the Middle East as occupiers (And no, George is a Christian nation). Bin Laden isn't an exception. He's nothing more than a mere criminal.

And to you, what is peace? Is it when there are no wars? Or when injustice plagues a country where the world looks the other way fearing war or terror?

Then this was Saudi Arabia's fault on their part. Instead of resorting to terrorist activities, Osama Bin Laden could of debated the issue peacefully as well as voicing opposition to the war if he'd like. However, whether you agree with the war or not, Osama still had no right to lead a plot that destroyed the two towers and killing almost 3,000 civilians. That wasn't an act of war but rather terrorism.

[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Yeah.... Because during the Bush Administration, we attacked the Middle East first then Osama had to respond by attacking our two towers... It's ridiculous to say that Islamic terrorists are attacking us because we're there. No matter what the west does, terrorists will always propagate fear in order to achieve their goal: Terror. When a Swedish cartoonist drew a cartoon of Muhammad, were there any Swedish occupiers in the Middle East? No yet there were still death threats and attempted assasinations. There is terrorism in Spain and Russia yet both aren't involved in the Middle East as occupiers (And no, George is a Christian nation). Bin Laden isn't an exception. He's nothing more than a mere criminal.

And to you, what is peace? Is it when there are no wars? Or when injustice plagues a country where the world looks the other way fearing war or terror?

leviathan91

Then this was Saudi Arabia's fault on their part. Instead of resorting to terrorist activities, Osama Bin Laden could of debated the issue peacefully as well as voicing opposition to the war if he'd like. However, whether you agree with the war or not, Osama still had no right to lead a plot that destroyed the two towers and killing almost 3,000 civilians. That wasn't an act of war but rather terrorism.

TC completely misunderstands why Osama is raging a war against the United States. He didn't agree with Saudi Arabia being used as a military base during the 90's to thwart Saddam. Thats is it.

Also an Apache Helicopter accidently killing people in a case of mistaken identity =/= 9/11 Style Terrorist Attack

I find it telling that the same day news broke about the Apache incident, a series of bombs planted by militants killed over 31 people in Baghdad. Far more than were killed by the Apache.

You can blame the US lap dog know as israel for alot of the US hate in the middle east.

Espada12

Uh, no. Not even close.

TC completely misunderstands why Osama is raging a war against the United States. He didn't agree with Saudi Arabia being used as a military base during the 90's to thwart Saddam. Thats is it.

Also an Apache Helicopter accidently killing people in a case of mistaken identity =/= 9/11 Style Terrorist Attack

I find it telling that the same day news broke about the Apache incident, a series of bombs planted by militants killed over 31 people in Baghdad. Far more than were killed by the Apache.

UnknownSniper65

List goes on The 1986 Iran-Contra scandal (which it was discovered that the CIA secretly overthrew Iran democratically elected government and replaced him with a brutal dictator)

The support of of Israel(a country that almost all the Arab and Persian don't want there)

the The Libyan Gulf incident (U.S. Fighter Jet entered Libya airspace and end up winning a dogfight with Libya's Jets) there is a lot more reason after these three too.

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dat is nt true as a borqua is required also to prevent revealing of the body structure. This another rule apart from showing a women hair... It might be considered that alot of the rules are extreme and enforced in KSA but these rules are stated in the religion-hence the borqua was the perfect thing to accomplish both ideas ps. only hijab is much better solution but facts are facts if u dont want to "sin" as stated in Islam

sad6549775

1. No it isn't. Modesty is the only thing that is compulsory. Wearing hijab is seen as modest. If you ever go to a muslim country you'll find a lot of them don't wear hijab.

Famiking

I laugh at people who say women in the US are treated better than other parts of the globe. Have you see the porn industry in America? We have the most made porn in the US and yet we have an issue with how women dress in other parts of the world. Pure hipocracy.

GTA3_Darkel

[QUOTE="GTA3_Darkel"]

I laugh at people who say women in the US are treated better than other parts of the globe. Have you see the porn industry in America? We have the most made porn in the US and yet we have an issue with how women dress in other parts of the world. Pure hipocracy.

Atheists_Pwn

There are prostitutes who turn to prostitution because of financial problems and debts. But i guess that makes it 50-50.

[QUOTE="Rainbow_Lion"]

I'm pretty sure the qu'ran doesn't say anything about eating pork either

amirzaim

I'm pretty sure the qu'ran doesn't say anything about eating pork either

Rainbow_Lion

That still doesn't change the fact that Osama Bin Laden attacked the U.S and for this he must be hunted down and killed.

Every religion has its extremists, Christian extremists in Africa are doing the same thing that Islamic extremists are doing. Its just the Islamic ones are getting more coverage.

And I know Muslim Women are not required to where burqas. I have seen video of women walking down streets in, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey. They dress like women of anywhere else in the world there. Like wise the men do not wear turbans.

I too do not like how my government sticks its fingers into every little thing that happens in the world. But killing innocent people who really have no say in what the government does after it is elected is really unforgivable. If we find Osama I think he and his ilk should be hung from the Statue of Liberty.

[QUOTE="amirzaim"][QUOTE="Rainbow_Lion"]

I'm pretty sure the qu'ran doesn't say anything about eating pork either

Rainbow_Lion

Surah al-Baqarah: Verse #173:

He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.

[QUOTE="Rainbow_Lion"][QUOTE="amirzaim"] Islam never ever wants muslims eat the porks and drinkng the alcoholic drinks. Enough with the topic. If any user didn't know much about Islam, never ever making a such statement that causing uproars to other users. Didn't know that among of the GS users worldwide, there are some muslim users out there. So, be careful when posting a topic, this is about their sensitivity. Sky-

Surah al-Baqarah: Verse #173:

He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.

As far as I know, Most issues the West has with "Muslims" does not really have anything to do with Islam, but more a set of social rules, and ideals of some middleeastern countries.

And I must say those two civilications, are just about polar opposites, it really is hard to get along, the only way to really do it, would be to accept that not everyone have the same thoughts and ideals as the society you are from, and just be friendly, but stay at a polite distance.

A thing both parties have problems with.

But to say it is Muslims (Islam) is just plain dumb.

well people often lack the will to try to understand things that are not natural for them.

You can blame the US lap dog know as israel Espada12

I read a quote here that the way Islamic terrorist conduct themselves is against the laws of islam..... Surely you realise the hypocracy of US foreign policy then that it defends itself in an un-christian manner?

The invasion of Afghanistan is similar to the world invading America because afew Americans could be held responsable for alot of terrorism in Northern Ireland (Due to funding for Americans who feel 'Irish'). America sets itself out not to make friendly relations in the international community, and so it makes enemies.

I read a quote here that the way Islamic terrorist conduct themselves is against the laws of islam..... Surely you realise the hypocracy of US foreign policy then that it defends itself in an un-christian manner?

The invasion of Afghanistan is similar to the world invading America because afew Americans could be held responsable for alot of terrorism in Northern Ireland (Due to funding for Americans who feel 'Irish'). America sets itself out not to make friendly relations in the international community, and so it makes enemies.

MattDistillery