Favourite Obama quotes

Here is mine

"But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right" - Barrack Obama.

Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.

"If I don't shrink the deficit by half by the end of my first term I will be a one term President"

or something like that.

Here is mine

"But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right" - Barrack Obama.

Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.

Laihendi

There are limits of free speech (hate speech laws, for example.)

There are limits on the second ammendment (you can't own absolutely any gun.)

There are limits on your social liberty (the government can put you in jail if you commit a crime)\

Freedoms ARE limited.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Here is mine

"But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right" - Barrack Obama.

Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.

BuryMe

There are limits of free speech (hate speech laws, for example.)

There are limits on the second ammendment (you can't own absolutely any gun.)

There are limits on your social liberty (the government can put you in jail if you commit a crime)\

Freedoms ARE limited.

Seizing on the popularity of Occupy Wall Street, a broad coalition of liberal-left groups and organizations created the 99 Percent Spring, a movement aiming to recruit and train 100,000 Americans to learn the ways of non-violent direct action. The initiative includes support from MoveOn.org, AFL-CIO, Greenpeace, the Working Families Party, 350.org, Campaign for America's Future, United Students Against Sweatshops, CodePink, Global Exchange and Color of Change, among other groups.

The plan has been heavily promoted by celebrities such as Edward Norton, Elijah Wood, Marisa Tomei and Jason Alexander and political heavyweights like Van Jones, founder of Rebuild the Dream.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/167253/occupy-wall-street-activists-respond-99-spring#

Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.pie-junior

"I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class."

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.BossPerson

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Here is mine

"But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right" - Barrack Obama.

Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.

BuryMe

There are limits of free speech (hate speech laws, for example.)

There are limits on the second ammendment (you can't own absolutely any gun.)

There are limits on your social liberty (the government can put you in jail if you commit a crime)\

Freedoms ARE limited.

"The election's over"

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Here is mine

"But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right" - Barrack Obama.

Actually Obama that is exactly what having an individual right means.

FuggaJ

There are limits of free speech (hate speech laws, for example.)

There are limits on the second ammendment (you can't own absolutely any gun.)

There are limits on your social liberty (the government can put you in jail if you commit a crime)\

Freedoms ARE limited.

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]He's right...

There are limits of free speech (hate speech laws, for example.)

There are limits on the second ammendment (you can't own absolutely any gun.)

There are limits on your social liberty (the government can put you in jail if you commit a crime)\

Freedoms ARE limited.

BuryMe

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"] If someone has the ability to take yer freedom, then it is not really freedom.FuggaJ

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]And yet, the government can...pie-junior

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"]Did I say they couldn't? My point was we're not really free. Ah dur.FuggaJ

In short, you support anarchy.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"]Did I say they couldn't? My point was we're not really free. Ah dur.FuggaJ

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] was anyone ever free ever, or is freedom an unattainable ideal?BuryMe

In short, you support anarchy.

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] was anyone ever free ever, or is freedom an unattainable ideal?BuryMe

In short, you support anarchy.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"] Just because it hasn't happened yet that makes it unattainable? We have no cures for AIDs yet and haven't before, is that unattainable? There are people starving in the world and we haven't fed them yet so is that unattainable? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean we should give up on the idea. An ideal, for sure. Unattainable, not quite. People deserve the right to govern their own lives, my friend.FuggaJ

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"] Just because it hasn't happened yet that makes it unattainable? We have no cures for AIDs yet and haven't before, is that unattainable? There are people starving in the world and we haven't fed them yet so is that unattainable? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean we should give up on the idea. An ideal, for sure. Unattainable, not quite. People deserve the right to govern their own lives, my friend.pie-junior

In short, you support anarchy.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="pie-junior"]
it's obvious obama went to law school and you didn't.pie-junior

And I know you have a shaky view of human right, but c'mon

Is shaky code for 'thought out'?

There is no such entity as the public, since the public is merely a number of individuals. The idea that the public interest supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

You don't seem to have thought this out much.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]The only way for that to hapen is through no central form of government.

In short, you support anarchy.

FuggaJ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

There is no such entity as the public, since the public is merely a number of individuals. The idea that the public interest supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

You don't seem to have thought this out much.

Laihendi

Oh man,

When I imprison a murderer- whose rights and/or interests am I protecting?

Well, we certainly derailed this topic :PFuggaJ

"I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that. I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture. And I'm gonna make sure that we don't torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."MrPraline

To be fair he did attempt to close Guantanamo until Republicans threw a NIMBY sh*tfit.

Laihendi idolizes Elijah Wood. Elijah Wood is a liberal. Laihendi is a internet liberatarian who posts a lot of anti-liberal crap.

Does not compute.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]don't use that as a defence. Obama is actually horrible when it comes to individual rights. For someone who was a constitutional law professor to appoint an attorney general who justifies assassinating citizens by saying "Due process' and 'judicial process' are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security" is pretty strange. And I doubt hes just stupid, he knows what he's doing.

And I know you have a shaky view of human right, but c'monLaihendi

Is shaky code for 'thought out'?

There is no such entity as the public, since the public is merely a number of individuals. The idea that the public interest supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

You don't seem to have thought this out much.

So does my right to pump raw sewage into the river that supplies the town's water superceed the community's right to not have to drink or bathe in sewage?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] "I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that. I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture. And I'm gonna make sure that we don't torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."worlock77

To be fair he did attempt to close Guantanamo until Republicans threw a NIMBY sh*tfit.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

There is no such entity as the public, since the public is merely a number of individuals. The idea that the public interest supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

You don't seem to have thought this out much.

pie-junior

Oh man,

When I imprison a murderer- whose rights and/or interests am I protecting?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]
Idk if he's 'horrible' with individual rights. A right is a relative concept. It requires a balance with public interests and other individual rights. The focal point of a balance is a subject worth discussing (from different POVs eg-the econmic approach relative to social utility; deontological approaches relative to human dignity or quality of human life; w/e)- but he was ridiculing Obama's use of the word. That sentence might be a bit too americanized, for me, but it's certainly a deal more accurate than the liberitarians school of f@ggotry laihendi seems to get his stuff from.

Is shaky code for 'thought out'?worlock77

There is no such entity as the public, since the public is merely a number of individuals. The idea that the public interest supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

You don't seem to have thought this out much.

So does my right to pump raw sewage into the river that supplies the town's water superceed the community's right to not have to drink or bathe in sewage?

Those individuals who have rights.Laihendi

How am I protecting them?

*disregarding the rest as fluff

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

There is no such entity as the public, since the public is merely a number of individuals. The idea that the public interest supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

You don't seem to have thought this out much.

Laihendi

So does my right to pump raw sewage into the river that supplies the town's water superceed the community's right to not have to drink or bathe in sewage?

Ok, so who's property is the river?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Those individuals who have rights.pie-junior

How am I protecting them?

*disregarding the rest as fluff

Why do people still bother replying to Laihendi? He thinks babies don't have rights and are simply property because they can't comprehend rights.

dude is just an elaborate joke character that isnt as good as kraychik (RIP)

Why do people still bother replying to Laihendi?

Aljosa23

Boredom.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So does my right to pump raw sewage into the river that supplies the town's water superceed the community's right to not have to drink or bathe in sewage?

worlock77

Ok, so who's property is the river?

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Those individuals who have rights.Laihendi

How am I protecting them?

*disregarding the rest as fluff

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Pumping sewage into someone's water supply is clearly a violation of that person's property rights.

Laihendi

Ok, so who's property is the river?

You claim that by pumping my sewage into the river I'm violating property rights, so then who's property is the river? If it is no one's property then I am violating nobody's property rights.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="pie-junior"]

How am I protecting them?

*disregarding the rest as fluff

pie-junior