Well, I was talking to a friend about the legality of Prop 8, and Prop 4 also came up in the discussion, causing a bit ambivalence. In California, this was known as a law if Parents would need to be notified if their underage daughter was planning to get an abortion. I suppose what bothered me most about a girl getting an abortion in secret is that the circumstances could possibly be illegal. An abortion is a big decision, and Prop only asked for notification, not permission of the parents. One of the arguments brought up against it was that the pregnant teen could possibly be beaten and disowned by the family, but that's a whole other problem within itself! Anyway, I don't have a daughter, and I can see arguments from either side, but how do you all feel about it?
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Well, I was talking to a friend about the legality of Prop 8, and Prop 4 also came up in the discussion, causing a bit ambivalence. In California, this was known as a law if Parents would need to be notified if their underage daughter was planning to get an abortion. I suppose what bothered me most about a girl getting an abortion in secret is that the circumstances could possibly be illegal. An abortion is a big decision, and Prop only asked for notification, not permission of the parents. One of the arguments brought up against it was that the pregnant teen could possibly be beaten and disowned by the family, but that's a whole other problem within itself! Anyway, I don't have a daughter, and I can see arguments from either side, but who do you all feel about it?
viewtiful26
i feel the parents should be notified... under most circumstances. Of course there will be exceptions, but surgery isnt exactly a gauranteed procedure. After all, a peron under 18 cant just walk into a hospital and say, i want a transplant. or if a kid breaks his arm, i think parents are notified (though they would probably know from the cast anyway XP ). Now the decision part, i'd go with its the girl's decision, but as for notification, i feel the parents have a responsibility and a right to know...
no. its her decision to make alone.CripFlagKeep in mind...the prop was only asking for notification, not permission.
[QUOTE="CripFlag"]no. its her decision to make alone.viewtiful26Keep in mind...the prop was only asking for notification, not permission. o. well if your gonna do it and you sure then it might be best without notification. instead of tranfering the burden on family she can keep it to herself.
If she's underage the parents should be notified. Honestly, I can't even understand how someone could think differently.
jamejame
Hmmm... maybe because it's not the parent's business, for one? Also, although the proposition does not require parental consent, parents can have a lot of (unwanted) influence on their children.
[QUOTE="jamejame"]
If she's underage the parents should be notified. Honestly, I can't even understand how someone could think differently.
chessmaster1989
Hmmm... maybe because it's not the parent's business, for one? Also, although the proposition does not require parental consent, parents can have a lot of (unwanted) influence on their children.
Shouldn't it be the parents business? I'm sorry but if she's underage then she is still under her parents, they should most definitely at least be notified.The parents could provide guidance and comfort, an abortion is a pretty tremendous thing for anyone, much less a teen to go through, especially on their own. Its not made widely known,but many cases of depression have been related to abortion, don't you think a parent could sway the opinion of a daughter in a positive way? Ultimately its still her choice, correct?[QUOTE="jamejame"]
If she's underage the parents should be notified. Honestly, I can't even understand how someone could think differently.
chessmaster1989
Hmmm... maybe because it's not the parent's business, for one? Also, although the proposition does not require parental consent, parents can have a lot of (unwanted) influence on their children.
Still, you can argue that she's a minor LIVING in the parent's home. Little 13 year-old Alice can't watch R rated films but she can get abortion due to a pregnancy, which was possibly done with an older man, and therefore illegal.
Also, I imagine an abortion on an underage girl will pose some health risks that she could possibly overlook and not comprehend.
Anyway, this prop failed, but I found that bizarre since most voters are older, and possibly parents of underage daughters themselves.
Well, I was talking to a friend about the legality of Prop 8, and Prop 4 also came up in the discussion, causing a bit ambivalence. In California, this was known as a law if Parents would need to be notified if their underage daughter was planning to get an abortion. I suppose what bothered me most about a girl getting an abortion in secret is that the circumstances could possibly be illegal. An abortion is a big decision, and Prop only asked for notification, not permission of the parents. One of the arguments brought up against it was that the pregnant teen could possibly be beaten and disowned by the family, but that's a whole other problem within itself! Anyway, I don't have a daughter, and I can see arguments from either side, but how do you all feel about it?
viewtiful26
Against.
If a woman (even an underaged woman) has the right to abort the life that she's carrying inside her, then she should have the right to not have anyone else know about it (including her parents).
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
[QUOTE="jamejame"]
If she's underage the parents should be notified. Honestly, I can't even understand how someone could think differently.
viewtiful26
Hmmm... maybe because it's not the parent's business, for one? Also, although the proposition does not require parental consent, parents can have a lot of (unwanted) influence on their children.
Little 13 year-old Alice can't watch R rated films but she can get abortion due to a pregnancy, which was possibly done with an older man, and therefore illegal.
Consequently, I think that the ratings for movies are generally stupid as well. I have no problem with 13 year olds seeing R rated films.
[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
Hmmm... maybe because it's not the parent's business, for one? Also, although the proposition does not require parental consent, parents can have a lot of (unwanted) influence on their children.
Little 13 year-old Alice can't watch R rated films but she can get abortion due to a pregnancy, which was possibly done with an older man, and therefore illegal.
Consequently, I think that the ratings for movies are generally stupid as well. I have no problem with 13 year olds seeing R rated films.
The ratings are fine, and if you don't mind whats stopping you from letting her see it if you are old enough?[QUOTE="CripFlag"]no. its her decision to make alone.viewtiful26Keep in mind...the prop was only asking for notification, not permission.
If she has the right to have such a procedure performed (even if her parents insist that she bears the child), then she should have the right to have such a procedure performed in privacy without notifying anyone.
If an underaged girl is still left with a right to have an abortion in the first place, then it should be ENTIRELY her decision to choose who she tells about it.
Keep in mind...the prop was only asking for notification, not permission.[QUOTE="viewtiful26"][QUOTE="CripFlag"]no. its her decision to make alone.MrGeezer
If she has the right to have such a procedure performed (even if her parents insist that she bears the child), then she should have the right to have such a procedure performed in privacy without notifying anyone.
If an underaged girl is still left with a right to have an abortion in the first place, then it should be ENTIRELY her decision to choose who she tells about it.
That state should stay out of parents business. Its none of your B how a parent raises their kid as long as she isn't being abused.[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
[QUOTE="jamejame"]
If she's underage the parents should be notified. Honestly, I can't even understand how someone could think differently.
jamejame
Hmmm... maybe because it's not the parent's business, for one? Also, although the proposition does not require parental consent, parents can have a lot of (unwanted) influence on their children.
Shouldn't it be the parents business? I'm sorry but if she's underage then she is still under her parents, they should most definitely at least be notified.The parents could provide guidance and comfort, an abortion is a pretty tremendous thing for anyone, much less a teen to go through, especially on their own. Its not made widely known,but many cases of depression have been related to abortion, don't you think a parent could sway the opinion of a daughter in a positive way? Ultimately its still her choice, correct?Its up to the person if they want help :| Some people just push through it all without letting everything weigh them down. This is a matter of the girl's body and whether her parents know is up to her or not.I don't think parents should be notified if the child does not feel comfortable telling their parents there may be a reason why, diferent beleiefs they don't share, opinions, housing, abondoning, abuse, dissowning that kind of stuff. For me it is a hard choice when I think of my own children but I also think if my children are ashamed to tell me about something I would not be doing my job as a parents being open and able to communicate with one's parents is key and not very many families have it enough to have 'real" conversations about things.
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="viewtiful26"] Keep in mind...the prop was only asking for notification, not permission.MoonMarvel
If she has the right to have such a procedure performed (even if her parents insist that she bears the child), then she should have the right to have such a procedure performed in privacy without notifying anyone.
If an underaged girl is still left with a right to have an abortion in the first place, then it should be ENTIRELY her decision to choose who she tells about it.
That state should stay out of parents business. Its none of your B how a parent raises their kid as long as she isn't being abused.But that's the whole POINT of this proposed law. Butting into parents' business. The law is designed to have MORE poor and uneducated women give birth and succumb to a life of poverty by trying to get parents to flat out REFUSE the abortion.
It's a snitch tactic. They can't prevent the abortions themselves, so they are relying on the fact that some parents will scare and bully and blackmail the mothers into giving birth.
If the woman has the right to GET an abortion, then she should have the right for that procedure to be PRIVATE. End of story. If you want parents to be notified about their children's abortions, then push for a DIFFERENT law that makes underaged abortion illegal except under parental consent.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="viewtiful26"]
Little 13 year-old Alice can't watch R rated films but she can get abortion due to a pregnancy, which was possibly done with an older man, and therefore illegal.
MoonMarvel
Consequently, I think that the ratings for movies are generally stupid as well. I have no problem with 13 year olds seeing R rated films.
The ratings are fine, and if you don't mind whats stopping you from letting her see it if you are old enough?Nothing, but that's not really relevant to my point...
See, I don't really by the whole abandoning argument...because that could come about with some other events, making it a whole other problem within itself. A girl's just as likely to be severely punished if she gets kicked out of high school, started using drugs, broke the law, etc. and under none of these circumstances should abuse be used. Heck, if I told everyone that it isn't parent's business that a kid failed his classes because there's a possibility he'd be belted, that wouldn't stop anything...I don't think parents should be notified if the child does not feel comfortable telling their parents there may be a reason why, diferent beleiefs they don't share, opinions, housing, abondoning, abuse, dissowning that kind of stuff. For me it is a hard choice when I think of my own children but I also think if my children are ashamed to tell me about something I would not be doing my job as a parents being open and able to communicate with one's parents is key and not very many families have it enough to have 'real" conversations about things.
observer77
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="viewtiful26"] Keep in mind...the prop was only asking for notification, not permission.MoonMarvel
If she has the right to have such a procedure performed (even if her parents insist that she bears the child), then she should have the right to have such a procedure performed in privacy without notifying anyone.
If an underaged girl is still left with a right to have an abortion in the first place, then it should be ENTIRELY her decision to choose who she tells about it.
That state should stay out of parents business. Its none of your B how a parent raises their kid as long as she isn't being abused. And by state... you mean the majority who voted... correct? Should stay out of parents business because it is none of their business... but on the other thread (which spun this one) you are saying that the state aka the majority should be allowed to uphold a proposition which sticks its nose in other people's business. Interesting.[QUOTE="observer77"]See, I don't really by the whole abandoning argument...because that could come about with some other events, making it a whole other problem within itself. A girl's just as likely to be severely punished if she gets kicked out of high school, started using drugs, broke the law, etc. and under none of these circumstances should abuse be used. Heck, if I told everyone that it isn't parent's business that a kid failed his classes because there's a possibility he'd be belted, that wouldn't stop anything...I don't think parents should be notified if the child does not feel comfortable telling their parents there may be a reason why, diferent beleiefs they don't share, opinions, housing, abondoning, abuse, dissowning that kind of stuff. For me it is a hard choice when I think of my own children but I also think if my children are ashamed to tell me about something I would not be doing my job as a parents being open and able to communicate with one's parents is key and not very many families have it enough to have 'real" conversations about things.
viewtiful26
those are two VERY different subjects taht can not be compared, but i do see your point but that just proves my point that parents and children don't connect or communicate enough about real life things.
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]
If she has the right to have such a procedure performed (even if her parents insist that she bears the child), then she should have the right to have such a procedure performed in privacy without notifying anyone.
If an underaged girl is still left with a right to have an abortion in the first place, then it should be ENTIRELY her decision to choose who she tells about it.
That state should stay out of parents business. Its none of your B how a parent raises their kid as long as she isn't being abused.But that's the whole POINT of this proposed law. Butting into parents' business. The law is designed to have MORE poor and uneducated women give birth and succumb to a life of poverty by trying to get parents to flat out REFUSE the abortion.
It's a snitch tactic. They can't prevent the abortions themselves, so they are relying on the fact that some parents will scare and bully and blackmail the mothers into giving birth.
If the woman has the right to GET an abortion, then she should have the right for that procedure to be PRIVATE. End of story. If you want parents to be notified about their children's abortions, then push for a DIFFERENT law that makes underaged abortion illegal except under parental consent.
Where does it say in the law that it will prevent anything? It is about letting parents know what is going on in their kids lives which they have a right. And your last comments takes everything I said way out of context.[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
Consequently, I think that the ratings for movies are generally stupid as well. I have no problem with 13 year olds seeing R rated films.
The ratings are fine, and if you don't mind whats stopping you from letting her see it if you are old enough?Nothing, but that's not really relevant to my point...
What was your point? I know what I thought it was now tell me what you intended to see if we are the same page.[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] That state should stay out of parents business. Its none of your B how a parent raises their kid as long as she isn't being abused.MoonMarvel
But that's the whole POINT of this proposed law. Butting into parents' business. The law is designed to have MORE poor and uneducated women give birth and succumb to a life of poverty by trying to get parents to flat out REFUSE the abortion.
It's a snitch tactic. They can't prevent the abortions themselves, so they are relying on the fact that some parents will scare and bully and blackmail the mothers into giving birth.
If the woman has the right to GET an abortion, then she should have the right for that procedure to be PRIVATE. End of story. If you want parents to be notified about their children's abortions, then push for a DIFFERENT law that makes underaged abortion illegal except under parental consent.
Where does it say in the law that it will prevent anything? It is about letting parents know what is going on in their kids lives which they have a right. And your last comments takes everything I said way out of context. Then if that is their right the law is picking and choosing. If it is a parents RIGHT to know what is going on in their kids lives -- there are plenty of law breakers out there. You honestly think your parents knew everything about you? Might as well change Big Brother to Big Mother.[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Where does it say in the law that it will prevent anything? It is about letting parents know what is going on in their kids lives which they have a right. And your last comments takes everything I said way out of context. Then if that is their right the law is picking and choosing. If it is a parents RIGHT to know what is going on in their kids lives -- there are plenty of law breakers out there. You honestly think your parents knew everything about you? Might as well change Big Brother to Big Mother. WHAT? What laws prevent parents from knowing anything about their kids...Oh yeah, one...This one. My parents may not have known everything but the government never blocked them from knowing. The law never has the right to tell you what you can and cannot know, it's not the governments job to determine that.But that's the whole POINT of this proposed law. Butting into parents' business. The law is designed to have MORE poor and uneducated women give birth and succumb to a life of poverty by trying to get parents to flat out REFUSE the abortion.
It's a snitch tactic. They can't prevent the abortions themselves, so they are relying on the fact that some parents will scare and bully and blackmail the mothers into giving birth.
If the woman has the right to GET an abortion, then she should have the right for that procedure to be PRIVATE. End of story. If you want parents to be notified about their children's abortions, then push for a DIFFERENT law that makes underaged abortion illegal except under parental consent.
Sajedene
More like the all powerful government telling you what you can and cannot know about your own kids.I honestly can't believe it didn't pass. When you think about it, this is California residents saying they don't care what their underage daughters are doing....
Chutebox
The strangest part is, you'd think the people who'd be against this law are the ones that are not old enough to vote. :PI honestly can't believe it didn't pass. When you think about it, this is California residents saying they don't care what their underage daughters are doing....
Chutebox
Then if that is their right the law is picking and choosing. If it is a parents RIGHT to know what is going on in their kids lives -- there are plenty of law breakers out there. You honestly think your parents knew everything about you? Might as well change Big Brother to Big Mother. WHAT? What laws prevent parents from knowing anything about their kids...Oh yeah, one...This one. My parents may not have known everything but the government never blocked them from knowing. The law never has the right to tell you what you can and cannot know, it's not the governments job to determine that. The law prevents the parents from knowing when their kids CHOOSE to not tell them. No one should be FORCED to disclose information they choose not to disclose. Nowhere in that law does it state that a kid going through abortion can not tell their parents that they are doing the procedure if they so choose to do so.[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Where does it say in the law that it will prevent anything? It is about letting parents know what is going on in their kids lives which they have a right. And your last comments takes everything I said way out of context.MoonMarvel
[QUOTE="Chutebox"]More like the all powerful government telling you what you can and cannot know about your own kids. As a parent, why wouldn't you want to know everything your child is doing?I honestly can't believe it didn't pass. When you think about it, this is California residents saying they don't care what their underage daughters are doing....
MoonMarvel
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]More like the all powerful government telling you what you can and cannot know about your own kids. As a parent, why wouldn't you want to know everything your child is doing? As a parent... you should! But then -- do you want your child to be FORCED to tell you everything going on in their lives -- or do you want them to willingly come up to you and tell you what is going on in their lives. Now... if it is the latter -- but they seem to not want to do that... who's fault is that? Theirs or yours? Who failed to keep the bridge of communication open there?I honestly can't believe it didn't pass. When you think about it, this is California residents saying they don't care what their underage daughters are doing....
Chutebox
if she is underage, then her parents have a right to know.
Then if that is their right the law is picking and choosing. If it is a parents RIGHT to know what is going on in their kids lives -- there are plenty of law breakers out there. You honestly think your parents knew everything about you? Might as well change Big Brother to Big Mother.SajedeneWHAT? What laws prevent parents from knowing anything about their kids...Oh yeah, one...This one. My parents may not have known everything but the government never blocked them from knowing. The law never has the right to tell you what you can and cannot know, it's not the governments job to determine that. The law prevents the parents from knowing when their kids CHOOSE to not tell them. No one should be FORCED to disclose information they choose not to disclose. Nowhere in that law does it state that a kid going through abortion can not tell their parents that they are doing the procedure if they so choose to do so. No just no. By nature kids keep secrets from their parents and the law violates the rights of parents when they want to know whats going on. So are you saying if the kid doesn't want their parents knowing? If they get detention or suspened the kid has the right to not tell the parents? Afterall they don't have to disclose any of this. So if a 13 year old kid goes to jail the parents have no right to know? If you fail the 10th grade the parents should not know? This law picks and chooses what parents have the right to know, the parents have a right to know what is going in their minor childs life, end of.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] More like the all powerful government telling you what you can and cannot know about your own kids. SajedeneAs a parent, why wouldn't you want to know everything your child is doing? As a parent... you should! But then -- do you want your child to be FORCED to tell you everything going on in their lives -- or do you want them to willingly come up to you and tell you what is going on in their lives. Now... if it is the latter -- but they seem to not want to do that... who's fault is that? Theirs or yours? Who failed to keep the bridge of communication open there? Kids rebel, Kids keep secrets. Sometimes parents need to actively look into things. I got suspened from school in the 4th grade, if they school haden't told my parents they would never have know because I wasn't going to say anything. The school was right and my parents had a right to know, if I wanted them to know or not.
[QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] As a parent... you should! But then -- do you want your child to be FORCED to tell you everything going on in their lives -- or do you want them to willingly come up to you and tell you what is going on in their lives. Now... if it is the latter -- but they seem to not want to do that... who's fault is that? Theirs or yours? Who failed to keep the bridge of communication open there?ChuteboxI don't think it's right to be that absolute. An abortion is a serious life changing event, parents don't need to know everything that happens in their child's life, but I should think that an abortion would be an exception. Abortions for teenagers are also very dangerous to the body, more so than an adult since they are still growing. Oh well, I guess parents have other things more important to worry about than their child's health? This nation is going towards parents don't have the right to know anything about anything.
[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] WHAT? What laws prevent parents from knowing anything about their kids...Oh yeah, one...This one. My parents may not have known everything but the government never blocked them from knowing. The law never has the right to tell you what you can and cannot know, it's not the governments job to determine that.The law prevents the parents from knowing when their kids CHOOSE to not tell them. No one should be FORCED to disclose information they choose not to disclose. Nowhere in that law does it state that a kid going through abortion can not tell their parents that they are doing the procedure if they so choose to do so. No just no. By nature kids keep secrets from their parents and the law violates the rights of parents when they want to know whats going on. So are you saying if the kid doesn't want their parents knowing? If they get detention or suspened the kid has the right to not tell the parents? Afterall they don't have to disclose any of this. So if a 13 year old kid goes to jail the parents have no right to know? If you fail the 10th grade the parents should not know? This law picks and chooses what parents have the right to know, the parents have a right to know what is going in their minor childs life, end of.MoonMarvel
All of your examples already have it established that it is mandatory for them to notify the parents/legal guardian/next of kin (I think with the exception of detention -- not sure since I've never gotten detention). There is no choices in the matters you just gave -- so where does that leave us?
Really, the law already picks and chooses what parents have the right to know. And apparently this is not one of them.
And on that note -- lets reverse this and bring in adoption. If a parent has the right to know everything about their child... why is it that there are laws that are designed to protect parents who want to give up their children? Closed adoptions and safe haven laws where a parent is not questioned at all why a child is dropped off... now when the child grows up -- does that child have the right to know who their parents are and the whys and what nots of why they were adopted out?
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"] I don't think it's right to be that absolute. An abortion is a serious life changing event, parents don't need to know everything that happens in their child's life, but I should think that an abortion would be an exception.MoonMarvelAbortions for teenagers are also very dangerous to the body, more so than an adult since they are still growing. Oh well, I guess parents have other things more important to worry about than their child's health? This nation is going towards parents don't have the right to know anything about anything. Yup, it's quite sad.
No just no. By nature kids keep secrets from their parents and the law violates the rights of parents when they want to know whats going on. So are you saying if the kid doesn't want their parents knowing? If they get detention or suspened the kid has the right to not tell the parents? Afterall they don't have to disclose any of this. So if a 13 year old kid goes to jail the parents have no right to know? If you fail the 10th grade the parents should not know? This law picks and chooses what parents have the right to know, the parents have a right to know what is going in their minor childs life, end of.[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] The law prevents the parents from knowing when their kids CHOOSE to not tell them. No one should be FORCED to disclose information they choose not to disclose. Nowhere in that law does it state that a kid going through abortion can not tell their parents that they are doing the procedure if they so choose to do so.Sajedene
All of your examples already have it established that it is mandatory for them to notify the parents/legal guardian/next of kin (I think with the exception of detention -- not sure since I've never gotten detention). There is no choices in the matters you just gave -- so where does that leave us?
Really, the law already picks and chooses what parents have the right to know. And apparently this is not one of them.
And on that note -- lets reverse this and bring in adoption. If a parent has the right to know everything about their child... why is it that there are laws that are designed to protect parents who want to give up their children? Closed adoptions and safe haven laws where a parent is not questioned at all why a child is dropped off... now when the child grows up -- does that child have the right to know who their parents are and the whys and what nots of why they were adopted out?
You missed the point flat out. You said nobody should forced to let out information, so why not that? If the kids has that right surely they can block anything. And this law DOES pick and choose, if the parents want to know the law blocks them at the kids will. The parents have a right to know, even if they can't stop it. If the paresnt are responsible for the kids and have to raise them the state has no right to infringe on that minus abuse. Because the laws are designed to protect a child from harm and keep them from knowing things they can't handle. The child has no right to know anything the parents decide they can't handle. They should be overturned because the parents should give a reason, and some cases they do. When the kid is grown up and can handle there is nothing stopping them from knowing because a 22 year old ADULT has the right to know who its parents were. With detention the school does notify, does your comment hint at you still being in school or am I wrong on that?[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] No just no. By nature kids keep secrets from their parents and the law violates the rights of parents when they want to know whats going on. So are you saying if the kid doesn't want their parents knowing? If they get detention or suspened the kid has the right to not tell the parents? Afterall they don't have to disclose any of this. So if a 13 year old kid goes to jail the parents have no right to know? If you fail the 10th grade the parents should not know? This law picks and chooses what parents have the right to know, the parents have a right to know what is going in their minor childs life, end of. MoonMarvel
All of your examples already have it established that it is mandatory for them to notify the parents/legal guardian/next of kin (I think with the exception of detention -- not sure since I've never gotten detention). There is no choices in the matters you just gave -- so where does that leave us?
Really, the law already picks and chooses what parents have the right to know. And apparently this is not one of them.
And on that note -- lets reverse this and bring in adoption. If a parent has the right to know everything about their child... why is it that there are laws that are designed to protect parents who want to give up their children? Closed adoptions and safe haven laws where a parent is not questioned at all why a child is dropped off... now when the child grows up -- does that child have the right to know who their parents are and the whys and what nots of why they were adopted out?
You missed the point flat out. You said nobody should forced to let out information, so why not that? If the kids has that right surely they can block anything. And this law DOES pick and choose, if the parents want to know the law blocks them at the kids will. The parents have a right to know, even if they can't stop it. If the paresnt are responsible for the kids and have to raise them the state has no right to infringe on that minus abuse. Because the laws are designed to protect a child from harm and keep them from knowing things they can't handle. The child has no right to know anything the parents decide they can't handle. They should be overturned because the parents should give a reason, and some cases they do. When the kid is grown up and can handle there is nothing stopping them from knowing because a 22 year old ADULT has the right to know who its parents were. With detention the school does notify, does your comment hint at you still being in school or am I wrong on that?Long graduated man... and voted for the parents to be notified. I just understand the argument as to why a lot of people choose for this to happen.
Majority of the girls who have to go through abortion are truly the ones who need the guidance of parents. But most of these girls are lacking in that department and that is why they are in that predicament in the first place.
It's not like some Brenda Hampton show where they tell their parents and they will be supported after being scolded. Many of the girls who choose not to notify come from messed up homes and that is why they are messed up too.
Parental decisions, guidance, and interference should not come when it is time to "get rid of the problem" because they already should have been involved enough to be there to prevent it.
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