Florida man shoots door-to-door salesman, says he feared for his life

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[quote="News Press"]A man selling frozen lobster tails and steaks door to door Wednesday afternoon in Cape Coral was fatally shot by a homeowner before the gunman was ordered to the ground by an off-duty Collier County corrections deputy, according to Cape police and witnesses. Officers arrested Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, and charged him with second-degree murder in the death of Nicholas Rainey, 30, a meat salesman for Blue Ribbon Steak and Seafood. Cape police said the shooting occurred in front of Roops home at 1815 SW 30th Terrace. Gene Snyder, a former volunteer firefighter who lives across a canal from the shooting scene, said he witnessed part of the incident. He said his wife heard two gunshots, so he rushed to the house to help. What happened next, he said, was horrifying. I went to bend over to help the guy on the ground, the victim, and out of the garage I heard something: Ill kill everybody or shoot everybody, Snyder said. "And he cocked his gun and thank God for the Collier County sheriffs (deputy), she probably saved my life and everybody elses life that was in the area, Snyder said. He said the deputy pulled her service weapon on Roop and ordered him twice to place his gun on the ground before he complied. Snyder said Roop appeared dirty and disheveled. When he came out of the garage, he looked totally deranged to me, he said. He looked like he was off the deep end. He said Roop told the off-duty deputy, as well as the Cape officer who arrested him, the shooting was justified. He was telling the officer, he stepped on my property, he trespassed, Ill kill anybody that steps on my property, somewhere along them lines. It was just unbelievable, Snyder said. Cape Police Chief Jay Murphy said its too early to say whether Roop was defending himself under the parameters of Floridas justifiable use of force statute. Until all the facts are known, it would be premature to discuss how stand your ground law applies to this particular incident, Murphy said in an emailed statement.

LINK - http://www.news-press.com/article/20120725/CRIME/120725029/ Thoughts? You think Florida's lax stand your ground law will aid this man in beating a 2nd degree murder charge? Will FoxNews and the NRA come to Kenneth Roop's defense like they did for Joe Horn? Will some of you GS users proudly donate to Roop's paypal legal defense fund? Discuss. Personally, I think this whole thing is a conspiracy from Obama to make 2nd Amendment proponents look bad so he can pass his commie anti-gun laws so he can have the UN invade our country and put everyone in FEMA death camps, but that's just me.
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#2 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Clearly everyone in Florida is insane. They should ban guns from anyone who lives or has lived in Florida.

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MURICA!

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What an **** I hope he goes to jail for a very long time.

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This would have been funnier is he was a bullet proof jacket salesman.

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#6 LostProphetFLCL
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What a ******* psycho...

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Needs moar guns
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America is a scary place.

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#9 Omni-Slash
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Umm there's nothing in this story that would imply that the stand your ground gun law has any bearing what-so-ever.... honestly it's kind of stupid to even mention it..this guy was a freaking idiot whom needs to be thrown in jail...
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why hasnt that been done earlier
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MURICA!

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What's needed is more guns. If everyone is dead then no one can kill anyone. Best plan ever.
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Yeah that's murder. Lock him up.

He's not going to win this case with his defense plea. There needs to be enough evidence to show that he was in fact threatened. Obviously it doesn't sound like he was.

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Only way this could've been worse was if it was a girl scout selling cookies.
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Uhmerikah. xd

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Mmm yeah I think I would rather have the Carolinas and Texas sawed from the nation.

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#19 SuperKaio-ken
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Let me guess, this falls under the "Stand your ground law" Man Florida is such a joke


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Now lets say it's illegal to own firearms. Instead of a salesman coming to your door it's a twisted police officer. He came to let himself in and rob you. You are defenseless and wouldn't dare assault him to protect your stuff. After all he is the law. He robs you and then leaves. Horray for the removal of the 2nd amendment!
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Now lets say it's illegal to own firearms. Instead of a salesman coming to your door it's a twisted police officer. He came to let himself in and rob you. You are defenseless and wouldn't dare assault him to protect your stuff. After all he is the law. He robs you and then leaves. Horray for the removal of the 2nd amendment!LOXO7
In all fairness, it'd take a LOT for me to shoot a cop, even if I thought his intent was to rob me. It's not like, "oh no, this cop is breaking in and robbing me, I wish I had a gun." Doesn't matter. Even if I had a gun, I'd be thinking, "holy ****, I can't shoot a cop." Now, I'd certainly call the police immediately after he left, and report the crooked cop. But realistically, a crooked cop COULD help himself to my stuff regardless of whether or not I've got a gun.
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Hey look another topic that's going to turn into a gun law discussion. Have fun kids.

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FLURIDA!

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How come nobody ever comes to my door selling lobster? I only get people offering magazine subscriptions.

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America is a scary place.

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Just don't go near Florida, the Fountain of Youth drove them all nuts.
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lol they could sell it back to Spain
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I think it'd be a lot easier to put up a 'NO SOLITICING" sign up or something that'll get the message across before they even knock.

If they still decide to knock, *grabs sawed off shotgun*, then so be it....:twisted:

[spoiler] But you have to make sure you shoot their front, not the back as that will get you in trouble. [/spoiler]

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This gif applies a lot of times when there's a story in Florida.
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#29 LJS9502_basic
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Apparently the individual does have some mental issues......
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cause this never happens in other states.

cut florida some slack.

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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Now lets say it's illegal to own firearms. Instead of a salesman coming to your door it's a twisted police officer. He came to let himself in and rob you. You are defenseless and wouldn't dare assault him to protect your stuff. After all he is the law. He robs you and then leaves. Horray for the removal of the 2nd amendment!MrGeezer
In all fairness, it'd take a LOT for me to shoot a cop, even if I thought his intent was to rob me. It's not like, "oh no, this cop is breaking in and robbing me, I wish I had a gun." Doesn't matter. Even if I had a gun, I'd be thinking, "holy ****, I can't shoot a cop." Now, I'd certainly call the police immediately after he left, and report the crooked cop. But realistically, a crooked cop COULD help himself to my stuff regardless of whether or not I've got a gun.

Hm even if stuff meant rape of your teenage daughter? I tried to put someone in the position of what they would be offended to. But you make a sane reply that I agree with. So how about assault or murder? The point I tried to make was the government using it's unchallenged power to do whatever it wanted in this fictional world without guns except in the hands of authority and criminals.

That's what it would be. There would be more stories about people victimized by the military and police. That's why the world governments are cracking down on the Internet. To strict the communication between these stories to make people aware. We have to pay closer attention to these Internet freedom bills and the reason we are against guns.

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America duck yeah! Lets give out weapons in happy meals cause we so awesome and free...

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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

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cause this never happens in other states.

cut florida some slack.

i live in florida i know what i'm talking about
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="LOXO7"]Now lets say it's illegal to own firearms. Instead of a salesman coming to your door it's a twisted police officer. He came to let himself in and rob you. You are defenseless and wouldn't dare assault him to protect your stuff. After all he is the law. He robs you and then leaves. Horray for the removal of the 2nd amendment!LOXO7

In all fairness, it'd take a LOT for me to shoot a cop, even if I thought his intent was to rob me. It's not like, "oh no, this cop is breaking in and robbing me, I wish I had a gun." Doesn't matter. Even if I had a gun, I'd be thinking, "holy ****, I can't shoot a cop." Now, I'd certainly call the police immediately after he left, and report the crooked cop. But realistically, a crooked cop COULD help himself to my stuff regardless of whether or not I've got a gun.

Hm even if stuff meant rape of your teenage daughter? I tried to put someone in the position of what they would be offended to. But you make a sane reply that I agree with. So how about assault or murder? The point I tried to make was the government using it's unchallenged power to do whatever it wanted in this fictional world without guns except in the hands of authority and criminals.

That's what it would be. There would be more stories about people victimized by the military and police. That's why the world governments are cracking down on the Internet. To strict the communication between these stories to make people aware. We have to pay closer attention to these Internet freedom bills and the reason we are against guns.

This is really ignorant.. A) The internet "freedom" bills are not for the govenrment to control it more easier, its for businesses to get more money out of it more.. If you look at all teh bills put forward they have been either for protecting said businesses properties or for internet neutrality to end in whihc businesses can charge people more for cable tv like services for the internet. The remotely close thing you can come across with this in mind is the Patriot Act, and the PRO gun NRA groups and the like SUPPORTED this bill.. Irony.
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#35 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

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cause this never happens in other states.

cut florida some slack.

i live in florida i know what i'm talking about

Yeah Florida is hardly the craziest state..
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#36 metroidfood
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i live in florida i know what i'm talking aboutmrmusicman247

I'm so sorry. :(

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#37 mingmao3046
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florida is a great state but there are idiots everywhere
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Hm even if stuff meant rape of your teenage daughter? I tried to put someone in the position of what they would be offended to. But you make a sane reply that I agree with. So how about assault or murder? The point I tried to make was the government using it's unchallenged power to do whatever it wanted in this fictional world without guns except in the hands of authority and criminals. That's what it would be. There would be more stories about people victimized by the military and police. That's why the world governments are cracking down on the Internet. To strict the communication between these stories to make people aware. We have to pay closer attention to these Internet freedom bills and the reason we are against guns.LOXO7
Well, I don't usually refer to family as "stuff". Of course I'd rather shoot a cop than to let him rape my daughter, but I think it'd take a little bit more than entering my home to make me reasonably believe he's actually gonna start raping and murdering. Police cross the line all the time, usually the correct thing to do is to file a complaint rather than just start shooting. Like I said, it'd take a LOT for me to shoot a cop, even if he is in the wrong.
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Thousands of people carry guns legally in Florida, and because one person defends himself from an attacker, and one idiot shoots a salesman all the rest are crazy right? This guy should go to jail just like anyone else who breaks the law. There is no stand your ground when someone is not threatening you. The law itself is a good law, but like any law people will try to abuse it.

I am wondering why TC isn't so up in arms about the hundreds of senseless murders that happen in the country every day with illegal weapons. Maybe if the gun control laws already on the books were actually enforced many illegal weapons would disappear, and with it the violence they cause.

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#40 noscope-ak47
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The man had mental issues if he had stabbed the salesman would they ban knives ??

To me the real story is all the mentally ill people that need help. Any place a mentally unstable person is there should be a way for them to get help before this happens. People only care after things like this happen but most likely somebody knew about his problem.

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#41 Kevlar101
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If it was a religious missionary then I would understand why he would want to shoot him. But it was just a salesman, damn.
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#42 DrTrafalgarLaw
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He feared for his life when an UNARMeD salesman shows up. I guess guns really are for cowards.

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#44 DeathnoteSz
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Now lets say it's illegal to own firearms. Instead of a salesman coming to your door it's a twisted police officer. He came to let himself in and rob you. You are defenseless and wouldn't dare assault him to protect your stuff. After all he is the law. He robs you and then leaves. Horray for the removal of the 2nd amendment!LOXO7
How many fking times has that happened dude?? im tired of people using this
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Got damn thug
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sorry, he was in no threat whatsover, idiot deserves to get imprisoned.

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#47 kingkong0124
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sorry, he was in no threat whatsover, idiot deserves to get imprisoned.

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That'll show 'em!

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Fvck Florida

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obligatory comment asking why guns are banned yet