Fox news can't do math

[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

Ah, you're an MSNBC sheep. Good to know for future reference.

Mark_the_Lie

Because no one would who understands how dishonest MSNBC is would post a respone passively defending it, while still trying to avoid admitting that they watch it.

It's just like Demokratic...marginalizing how terrible MSNBC is, because he watches it, but can't let anyone know because it would compromise the small amount of credibility he hasn't already lost in his other ridiculous threads.

[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

"MSNBC sheep" specifically means that you ignorantly believe and preach what you hear on MSNBC. There's not really room for interpretation there. "Conservative," on the other hand, is an abstract term that has multiple meanings, even in a political context. Try again.

Mark_the_Lie

So...you're saying you could have wool, or make a "baaa" noise, or maybe stick your head in a bucket of water and drown? Yea, I guess you have a good point. Sheep are known for all of those things too.

[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

"MSNBC sheep" specifically means that you ignorantly believe and preach what you hear on MSNBC. There's not really room for interpretation there. "Conservative," on the other hand, is an abstract term that has multiple meanings, even in a political context. Try again.

Mark_the_Lie

So...you're saying you could have wool, or make a "baaa" noise, or maybe stick your head in a bucket of water and drown? Yea, I guess you have a good point. Sheep are known for all of those things too.

i get it. Like sheep we follow the herd and have the "wool" pulled over our eyes. Very good analogy very good, i applaud you.

it was horrible to here that 3000 people died during the events that occurred on 9-11-01 and not one of them was Glen Beck:D

BTW the smiley face at the end is a qualifier and makes the joke alright and not in bad taste at all

Tiki_Hemp

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity do not represent the entire network.

Oleg_Huzwog

I disagree. When a network hires a commentator, gives them a 30 minute time slot to say and do whatever they like on a daily basis, and keeps the network's logo affixed to the bottom of the screen the entire time... the network is saying "yes, this person represents us".

No, the network is saying "this persons gets us ratings, so we don't care what he or she says." CNN does the same thing. The exception to this is MSNBC. MSNBC allows Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, and Rachel Maddow (among others) to spew extremist hate all day long, and they still don't get any ratings. When you do that, it becomes an endorsement.

MSNBC's competition isn't even CNN or Fox News; they don't get enough viewers to be compared to either. It's more like CNN Headline (the channel CNN relegates all of their unpopular shows to), because CNNHL and MSNBC have roughly the same comparably pathetic ratings every week.

[QUOTE="Tiki_Hemp"]

it was horrible to here that 3000 people died during the events that occurred on 9-11-01 and not one of them was Glen Beck:D

BTW the smiley face at the end is a qualifier and makes the joke alright and not in bad taste at all

smc91352

yezzer

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity do not represent the entire network.

Oleg_Huzwog

I disagree. When a network hires a commentator, gives them a 30 minute time slot to say and do whatever they like on a daily basis, and keeps the network's logo affixed to the bottom of the screen the entire time... the network is saying "yes, this person represents us".

They aren't alonexaos

All they did was use the wrong type of graph to represent their data. I don't see what the big deal is.

[QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"] says you... A sheep is known for other things. And I really don't care about the content of the BS you slipped in; but that you slipped it in. You could've even humbled/insulted yourself in that description and I'd object.smc91352

So...you're saying you could have wool, or make a "baaa" noise, or maybe stick your head in a bucket of water and drown? Yea, I guess you have a good point. Sheep are known for all of those things too.

That's great. My point is that you can't attack my description of "conservative" as being "propaganda" or "BS" , because it's such an abstract and subjective term. You have no concrete standard against which you may compare the description to say it is faulty. The term "sheep," however, is not an abstract or subjective term. It either interprets as moron or literally as an animal.

In other words, you can object, but you have nothing definitive to object to.

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

So...you're saying you could have wool, or make a "baaa" noise, or maybe stick your head in a bucket of water and drown? Yea, I guess you have a good point. Sheep are known for all of those things too.

Mark_the_Lie

That's great. My pont is that you can't attack my description of "conservative" as being "propaganda" or "BS" , because it's such an abstract and subjective term. You have no concrete standard against which you may compare the description to say it is faulty. The term "sheep," however, is not an abstract or subjective term. It either interprets as moron or literally as an animal.

In other words, you can object, but you have nothing definitive to object to.

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

Snipes_2

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

Snipes_2

Hey lets pick on Fox news for everything and ignore the mistakes other news sources commit! Yeah! I'm not even a fan of Fox news, but cmon.majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

Democratik

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

smc91352

Lol. I don't have a problem with people posting, but apparently you do.

If he thought it was funny he wouldn't have made the topic "Fox News Can't Do Math". You can't refute the fact that Fox is singled out.

[QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"] I didn't ask you to list all the things you know about sheep. My point was that the connotation is up to the person.smc91352

That's great. My pont is that you can't attack my description of "conservative" as being "propaganda" or "BS" , because it's such an abstract and subjective term. You have no concrete standard against which you may compare the description to say it is faulty. The term "sheep," however, is not an abstract or subjective term. It either interprets as moron or literally as an animal.

In other words, you can object, but you have nothing definitive to object to.

I didn't put words in his mouth; hence my use of the word "if" at the beginning of the post. It wasn't propaganda. It was my understanding of the term "conservative" as applied to myself. He didn't define it, so I defined it for him within the context of the hypothetical pretense that my description was what he actually meant by "conservative." It was sort of an ironic pseudo-joke. Unfortunately, you took it completely seriously.

Also, I just checked the dictionary. There are no more descriptions of "sheep." I covered them all.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sheep

[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

Snipes_2

Lol. I don't have a problem with people posting, but apparently you do.

If he thought it was funny he wouldn't have made the topic "Fox News Can't Do Math". You can't refute the fact that Fox is singled out.

If MSNBC did the same, do you not think the OP would post that?

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

clubsammich91

Because it doesn't agree with their views.

Seriously, liberals and conservatives alike should just go jump in a ditch, they are both idiots.

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

clubsammich91

For Demokratic, it's justified to demonize, mock, and attempt to suppress anyone who might espouse an opposing point of view. Very simple.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"] why do you think the OP is singling fox out? there is no responsibility to post every on-air mistake you see; though I assume the OP thought this one was funny. What do you have against people choosing what to post?smc91352

Lol. I don't have a problem with people posting, but apparently you do.

If he thought it was funny he wouldn't have made the topic "Fox News Can't Do Math". You can't refute the fact that Fox is singled out.

If MSNBC did the same, do you not think the OP would post that?

No, Probably not. But I'm not him, so I wouldn't know.

No, Probably not. But I'm not him, so I wouldn't know.Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why Fox? Other channels make mistakes too you know.

It's odd how people always point out when Fox News makes an error. However slight it is.

clubsammich91

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="Democratik"] When you make enemies, it happens. Its justified tooMark_the_Lie

For Demokratic, it's justified to demonize, mock, and attempt to suppress anyone who might espouse an opposing point of view. Very simple.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]No, Probably not. But I'm not him, so I wouldn't know.smc91352

I never said he was specifically after Fox News, I just stated that it gets singled out the most.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"] why do you think the OP is singling fox out? there is no responsibility to post every on-air mistake you see; though I assume the OP thought this one was funny. What do you have against people choosing what to post?smc91352

Lol. I don't have a problem with people posting, but apparently you do.

If he thought it was funny he wouldn't have made the topic "Fox News Can't Do Math". You can't refute the fact that Fox is singled out.

If MSNBC did the same, do you not think the OP would post that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sHn8_50c_s

Fox Skews.

As does every other news source.... That's why I don't look for opinons on news stories, just what happened.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]No, Probably not. But I'm not him, so I wouldn't know.smc91352

Considering he's getting his information from the far-left cesspool that is thinkprogress.org, it's more than a safe bet that his intent was to single out Fox, because that was the intent of thinkprogress.org. They don't report mistakes that liberal outlets like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, and CBS make.

I just made this...

I think Fox News is run by the decaying corpse of William Randolph Hearst and even I have to admit that this really isn't a big deal. News networks do this all the time and it's perfectly legitimate to look at how many people would be willing to vote for one candidate and comparing that to numbers for candidates. It makes sense, when you remember that these people won't be running against each other in an election. Two Republicans will not be against each other in the actual election, so why put them directly against each other in a poll like this?

FoxNews: "The subtle altering of reality To sell a preconceived narrative"nimatoad2000

The same could be said for any News Channel you don't agree with.

CNN:"The subtle altering of reality To sell a preconceived narrative".

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]FoxNews: "The subtle altering of reality To sell a preconceived narrative"Snipes_2

The same could be said for any News Channel you don't agree with.

CNN:"The subtle altering of reality To sell a preconceived narrative".

FoxNews: "The subtle altering of reality To sell a preconceived narrative"nimatoad2000

The same could be said for any News Channel you don't agree with.

CNN:"The subtle altering of reality To sell a preconceived narrative".

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

The same could be said for any News Channel you don't agree with.

CNN:"The subtle altering of reality To sell a preconceived narrative".

mattbbpl

Including this post...

glen beck was normal when he was on CNN tho ( normal as in not crazy) he changed completely when going over to fox, in a sense he was bought. his entire show is an act. he does not believe in what he says. there is even a video out there of him putting a lot of vizene into his eyes to irritate them, so then when the cameras turn on, he's crying. i give him credit, he is a brilliant actor if you can call fooling millions of people into believing / following you acting that is.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] except for the fact that CNN strives so hard to remain neutral that they are actually boring and get the lowest ratings because of it. they also got rid of CNN because he was too opinionated. so you are wrong. also even MSNBC, which is liberal bias, does not warp facts like fox does. they lean left, but they do not LIE to their viewers and show them false videos and tell them lies / untruth's. i love how people say msnbc is just as bad as fox because they are both bias . bias =/ liars.nimatoad2000

Including this post...

glen beck was normal when he was on CNN tho ( normal as in not crazy) he changed completely when going over to fox, in a sense he was bought. his entire show is an act. he does not believe in what he says. there is even a video out there of him putting a lot of vizene into his eyes to irritate them, so then when the cameras turn on, he's crying. i give him credit, he is a brilliant actor if you can call fooling millions of people into believing / following you acting that is.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

Just because other networks skew the news, why should we let Fox pass? mattbbpl

How are they skewing the news in this case? They're showing how likely people are to vote for some Republican candidates individually. There weren't three choices: Huckabee, Palin, or Romney. There were three separate polls. One asked if you would vote for Palin. You could answer yes or no. One asked if you would vote for Romney. You could answer yes or no. One asked if you would vote for Huckabee. You could answer yes or no. Since 189% is less than 300%, Fox isn't skewing statistics are failing at math. The fact that they don't know when to use a bar graph instead of a pie graph doesn't mean that they are deliberately misleading anyone.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] The fact that CNN had Glenn Beck on for so long (and recently at that) should be a clear indicator that even they skew news sometimes. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

Including this post...

glen beck was normal when he was on CNN tho ( normal as in not crazy) he changed completely when going over to fox, in a sense he was bought. his entire show is an act. he does not believe in what he says. there is even a video out there of him putting a lot of vizene into his eyes to irritate them, so then when the cameras turn on, he's crying. i give him credit, he is a brilliant actor if you can call fooling millions of people into believing / following you acting that is.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Whoa, whoa, whoa...

Just because other networks skew the news, why should we let Fox pass?

How are they skewing the news in this case? They're showing how likely people are to vote for some Republican candidates individually. There weren't three choices: Huckabee, Palin, or Romney. There were three separate polls. One asked if you would vote for Palin. You could answer yes or no. One asked if you would vote for Romney. You could answer yes or no. One asked if you would vote for Huckabee. You could answer yes or no. Since 189% is less than 300%, Fox isn't skewing statistics are failing at math. The fact that they don't know when to use a bar graph instead of a pie graph doesn't mean that they are deliberately misleading anyone.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]

glen beck was normal when he was on CNN tho ( normal as in not crazy) he changed completely when going over to fox, in a sense he was bought. his entire show is an act. he does not believe in what he says. there is even a video out there of him putting a lot of vizene into his eyes to irritate them, so then when the cameras turn on, he's crying. i give him credit, he is a brilliant actor if you can call fooling millions of people into believing / following you acting that is.

nimatoad2000

When someone says such and such source has no bias, it's frightening.

If Jon Stewart has taught me anything F1_2004

Really? John Stewart has taught you things? :lol:

That explains a lot.

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] The fact that CNN had Glenn Beck on for so long (and recently at that) should be a clear indicator that even they skew news sometimes. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

Including this post...mattbbpl

glen beck was normal when he was on CNN tho ( normal as in not crazy) he changed completely when going over to fox, in a sense he was bought. his entire show is an act. he does not believe in what he says. there is even a video out there of him putting a lot of vizene into his eyes to irritate them, so then when the cameras turn on, he's crying. i give him credit, he is a brilliant actor if you can call fooling millions of people into believing / following you acting that is.

And I still find it pretty ironic that people actually think that he's trying to portray fact. The only fact of the matter is that the television show, and its radio simulcast, is for political COMMENTARY, not news. For proper news, Fox is pretty good. For commentary, you can bet the house that they're predominantly conservative.