Fox News Medical A-Team Correspondent Calls Transgender Woman Psychotic

Fox News removed the original article (no apology for its content, though :roll: ), but, thankfully, it was salvaged here.

Mind you, I am not judging Ms. Bono.

Yeah, go ahead and think that, dumbass.

He added his Email Adress, Big Mistake.

Yeah...that's a really bad article. At least they took it down though. JML897

Fox News removed the original article (no apology for its content, though :roll: ), but, thankfully, it was salvaged here.

Mind you, I am not judging Ms. Bono.

Yeah, go ahead and think that, dumbass.

Theokhoth

"Is surgery to remove a woman's breasts, close her vagina and create a makeshift penis for her really so very different (other than being far more permanent)? Is it really likely to yield a "cure" for a woman's delusion that she is a man, or vice-versa? Does it really reach the depths of dissatisfaction, which create gender identity disturbances, to begin with?"

These are my thoughts. You can cut yourself up on the outside as much as possible, but it won't change you inside.

"Is surgery to remove a woman's breasts, close her vagina and create a makeshift penis for her really so very different (other than being far more permanent)? Is it really likely to yield a "cure" for a woman's delusion that she is a man, or vice-versa? Does it really reach the depths of dissatisfaction, which create gender identity disturbances, to begin with?"

These are my thoughts. You can cut yourself up on the outside as much as possible, but it won't change you inside.

bobaban

I don't see what's so wrong with the article, she is still a women and no amount of surgery is going to change that.

Edit: Well I DO see what's wrong with it, what I mean is I agree with a lot of what he's saying, the way he went about making his point could have been better though.

I don't see what's so wrong with the article, she is still a women and no amount of surgery is going to change that.PernicioEnigma

He added his Email Adress, Big Mistake.

mattisgod01

[QUOTE="bobaban"]

"Is surgery to remove a woman's breasts, close her vagina and create a makeshift penis for her really so very different (other than being far more permanent)? Is it really likely to yield a "cure" for a woman's delusion that she is a man, or vice-versa? Does it really reach the depths of dissatisfaction, which create gender identity disturbances, to begin with?"

These are my thoughts. You can cut yourself up on the outside as much as possible, but it won't change you inside.

Theokhoth

Stopped reading the moment I saw "OWN" in all caps. Even without the content in mind, that is so unprofessional..

They only took it down to avoid public backlash. People are already saying businesses should drop advertisements for a homophobic (or, in this case, transphobic) slander group like Fox News.Theokhoth

Because someone wrote their opinion it makes them a "homophobic slander group"?

So I assume GameSpot would also be one if a poster made a thread being against gays and transgendered people, correct?

Your logic makes no sense.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="bobaban"]

"Is surgery to remove a woman's breasts, close her vagina and create a makeshift penis for her really so very different (other than being far more permanent)? Is it really likely to yield a "cure" for a woman's delusion that she is a man, or vice-versa? Does it really reach the depths of dissatisfaction, which create gender identity disturbances, to begin with?"

These are my thoughts. You can cut yourself up on the outside as much as possible, but it won't change you inside.

bobaban

....Exactly?

Chaz Bono is a transman not a transwoman people. He was born female.

Chaz Bono is a transman not a transwoman people. He was born female.

PeaceChild90

[QUOTE="bobaban"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Inside, she's a woman. That's why she's changing the outside in the first place. majoras_wrath

....Exactly?

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

[QUOTE="bobaban"] Inside he's a human. Your just drawing arbitrary lines in the sand. You cannot presume to know when a mind is female or male or even if such a distinction exists.alexside1

....Exactly?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]They only took it down to avoid public backlash. People are already saying businesses should drop advertisements for a homophobic (or, in this case, transphobic) slander group like Fox News.airshocker

Because someone wrote their opinion it makes them a "homophobic slander group"?

So I assume GameSpot would also be one if a poster made a thread being against gays and transgendered people, correct?

Your logic makes no sense.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

....Exactly?

majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="alexside1"] I really don't know what your tying to say here.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] As in, just because a body is male or female, doesn't mean your mind is necessarily the same.majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="alexside1"] The same can be said for different types of bodies

alexside1

I think the writer's problem is that the guy( woman whatever) is disturbed in some way, and changing genders isn't a real solution. Its the equivalent of a girl getting plastic surgery because she's not happy with the way she looks, instead of just accepting who he is: its not taking care of the internal problem, its just a quick shallow solution

Although saying she has a psychosis( although I don't know his grounds for that so maybe he has a justification I don't know :P) for the gender change is unprofessional

Who knows, maybe the transman had sexual fantasies where he always imagined himself as a woman since he started hitting puberty, and couldn't change that

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Ok, now I'm confused. Er, what?majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Example: Man has a brain of a rat. Of course I going into major scfi here, but you get the point.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] But people aren't born half human half rat, yet many are born on the borders of both genders.

majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="alexside1"] This has nothing to do with being born with a half rat body, but rather the mind of it.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Clearly thinking you are a rat makes absolutely no sense, as you could never be part rat, but thinking you are another gender does make sense, due to the existence of birth defects possibly giving you the wrong genitalia for your gender.majoras_wrath

So then who's the person that decides what's rational and irrational then?

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Clearly thinking you are a rat makes absolutely no sense, as you could never be part rat, but thinking you are another gender does make sense, due to the existence of birth defects possibly giving you the wrong genitalia for your gender.majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="bobaban"]

"Is surgery to remove a woman's breasts, close her vagina and create a makeshift penis for her really so very different (other than being far more permanent)? Is it really likely to yield a "cure" for a woman's delusion that she is a man, or vice-versa? Does it really reach the depths of dissatisfaction, which create gender identity disturbances, to begin with?"

These are my thoughts. You can cut yourself up on the outside as much as possible, but it won't change you inside.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="alexside1"]Your misunderstood me again. This has nothing to do with the body what so ever. A human being has a mind of a rat is not hard to understand. You keep focusing the orgins of it, which it's irrelavent because a, I know that this involves scfi, and B The orgins of it dosn't change the fact that the man has a mind of the rat.

DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="bobaban"]

"Is surgery to remove a woman's breasts, close her vagina and create a makeshift penis for her really so very different (other than being far more permanent)? Is it really likely to yield a "cure" for a woman's delusion that she is a man, or vice-versa? Does it really reach the depths of dissatisfaction, which create gender identity disturbances, to begin with?"

These are my thoughts. You can cut yourself up on the outside as much as possible, but it won't change you inside.

Chutebox

He was born a girl and is lucky to have the money for the change IMO.
ALot of people born this way are stuck in a body they don't belong in.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] But in this case, if someone thought they were a rat (as there are mental disorders similar to this), then they would be "crazy", as there is no rational basis for their beliefs. Many trans, however, do have a rational explanation, and as such, it is not psychosis.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="alexside1"] This has nothing to do with being born with a half rat body, but rather the mind of it.alexside1

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] Well how do you know there is no rational basis for their belief? As long as someone can rationalize a reason why in their head, and they just can't act it out because of a physical barrier, who is to tell them they're wrong? Anyone can rationalize why they think they should be a male/female but the point is there is probably something wrong with them because the fact of the matter is they are what they were born as. DivergeUnify

Gender is between your ears, Sex is between your legs. Learn the difference.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] Well how do you know there is no rational basis for their belief? As long as someone can rationalize a reason why in their head, and they just can't act it out because of a physical barrier, who is to tell them they're wrong? Anyone can rationalize why they think they should be a male/female but the point is there is probably something wrong with them because the fact of the matter is they are what they were born as. DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Apparently you know more than the American Psychological Association about transgender people and what is "wrong" with them. :lol: Gender is in the mind. You have absolutely no say in what is in someone else's mind. There is nothing wrong with transgenders.

HoolaHoopMan

Gender is between your ears, Sex is between your legs. Learn the difference.

However I would still disagree with them being perfectly normal . If they were normal and there was nothing wrong with them they wouldn't be seeking this type of surgery. Second of all, the changes are fairly cosmetic. If this occured before our level of plastic surgery( and whatever else goes into the process) would they not be deemed a little mentally ill in the first place? Isn't it a little more than gender and sex? After looking it up gender are qualities deemed masculine or feminine. Someone can be a masculine female, vice versa, and be perfectly happy with the body they were born with. To want to change that all together seems to go beyond that, no?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] Well how do you know there is no rational basis for their belief? As long as someone can rationalize a reason why in their head, and they just can't act it out because of a physical barrier, who is to tell them they're wrong? Anyone can rationalize why they think they should be a male/female but the point is there is probably something wrong with them because the fact of the matter is they are what they were born as. DivergeUnify

Gender is a social construct revolving around learned behaviour, practices, standards, etc.Lockedge

This definition is more accurate than the other one. Though the bases of gender is based on sex as history shown us.