France makes it illegal to buy a prostitute

Can't say I am for this law. Here is a snippet from an independent article.

France has made paying for sex a crime – a radical change of approach in a country where brothels were once legal.

Prostitutes’ pressure groups are divided about the new law. Some welcome the fact that, in future, the clients not the sex-workers will be treated as delinquents.

Other prostitutes demonstrated outside the National Assembly, complaining that they will be forced to work in even greater secrecy and that they will lose their more “respectable” and non-violent customers.

“We will simply face more poverty, more violence and more stigmatisation,” said Morgane Merteuil, spokeswoman for Strass, one of several sex-workers’ unions in France.

The lower house of the French parliament approved the new law at its fourth reading after a three year battle with the upper house or Sénat. In future, anyone who is proved to have paid for sex will face a €1,500 fine, rising to€3,750 for a second offence.

The law also provides financial support for prostitutes who want to create new lives. It will permit foreign sex-workers to remain legally in France, so long as they abandon prostitution.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-makes-paying-for-sex-a-crime-and-divides-opinion-among-the-nation-s-prostitutes-a6971916.html

The news story is significantly longer than my post, so go ahead and read it for more info :)

Personally, I cant say I am in favor of this new law at all. Evidence supports that legalization and proper regulation of this industry has provided with superior results. And this law, seems to fly in the face of all the research that proves that this is a bad move. They have been trying to get this law into place for a few years now, and they "finally" succeeded, but it was a bad idea back then, and is still a bad idea now. I hope France undoes this mistake.

Yeah, i think its bad for business, now the price for sex will drop and people wont be making as much as they once had. Itll now be cheap sex in a secretive dirty little hotel off the side of the highway. Diseases will rise too as people will be forced to have more sex to make ends meet which will cause them to rush and not stay clean.

What have you done France!

That's one of the basic fundamental human rights.

France? Really? Making illegal the world's oldest profession? And French prostitutes are, like, the classiest in the world.

I don't get why this is illegal? What is wrong with sex?

hm ...

That's bs

One thing, they're trying to stop human trafficking with helping sex slave victims, on the other hand it's also putting a lot of people out of work!

why are things going backwards?

I'll never understand why it's illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away for free...

Paying for sex is bad but having sex freely is okay.

Religion says its wrong. Nature says its so right.

I would never solicit a prostitute but it bothers me that governments think they have the right to tell people they can't. It's kind of like how I will never live in a neighborhood with a HOA... **** you, this is my house, I'll do whatever I damn well please with my property.

There are limitations to the economic way of thinking, and I think that the French government is aware of that. Therefore, they based this decision on something other than economics.

Unfortunately: Even when it comes to human trafficking, this model doesnt seem particulary successful:

http://www.gaatw.org/statements/GAATWStatement_05.2013.pdf

That said, I also cant find anything supporting the argument that it would increase either. In fact I even found an article to show just that. In other words, I say this method to stop human trafficking has been completely ineffective.

Me too, I support the legalization of a lot of things that I would never solicit the usage of or use myself. If only because evidence supports that keeping them legal is the right thing to do.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/why-it-s-time-to-legalize-prostitution.html

Surprisingly, the religious right was not responsible for this law.

I believe it was the socialist party. This is what Sam Harris meant with the regressive left: Left Wingers who end up supporting right wing or illiberal causes under a left wing guise.

Take a wild guess. :P

and they give prostitutes six months resident permits and subsidize their income so they don't have to prostitute.... well, think I figured out how to get a cheap extended vacation to France

well, think I figured out how to get a cheap extended vacation to France

let me know when u there

Serious question, does this have any relation to do with the increasing Muslim population within the country? Or is this completely unrelated?

It's been proven time and time again that a legal, regulated sex trade is safe for everyone involved and especially protects the women from violence.

No idea.

But I dont think so. This move has been in the making since 2011 if my sources are correct and the guys behind it are the socialist party who seemed to have a more feminist ideology if anything, the act is more interested in punishing those who buy than those who sell.

+1

It any law applies to one sex, it should apply to the other as well. No need for double standards here or anywhere ;)

Those who are passing this law are probably the ones who used/still having fun if you know what I mean?

lol

At least in Brazil, you can get away with buying hookers right off the streets.

@indzman:

Funny?

Proof?

a women who thinks its a valid way to earn money by selling her body, is clearly a victim of male indoctrination ... you talk about legalisation or not ... but the problem is girls are told it is okay to do this, to become an animal inside a cage ... and most of them believe this ... its like having a cow not becasue you like the cow but becasue you want to milk her every morning and sell her meat when the summer ends ...

if a prostitute sais its her wish to do this, shes lieing ... always (or he)

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/nevadas-legal-brothels-make-workers-feel-safer

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/08/economist-explains-13

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/labor-laws-not-criminal-laws-are-the-solution-to-prostitution

There is still the problem of underage sex trafficking, but there is no way to meet that demand legally, so it will always remain so long as there are disgusting people looking to have sex with children out there.

But, like with any thing that is legalized or decriminalized, there still remains an illegal trade that still victimizes women and girls, especially those who are unable to find any other work and/or have severe chemical dependencies.

Having a legal sex trade CUTS DOWN on the problem of violence against women and the lack of protection for sex workers. It doesn't make it all better absolutely and I never said such a thing. But since when is putting women looking to make a living in jail because they have no other means to make money a good idea?

Only mathematics and logic deals with proof. But semantics aside,

Less abuse from police,

https://maggiemcneill.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/ugly-mugs-ireland-survey-september-2013.pdf

Reduction of violence + improved quality of life,

http://www.fairobserver.com/region/europe/german-prostitution-model-reducing-violence-against-sex-workers

Reduced rape + reduced STD rate

http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/15/fight-rape-with-legal-prostitution

http://www.who.int/hiv/pub/sti/sex_worker_implementation/swit_chpt2.pdf

Then there are the costs of jailing and arresting prostitutes.

As for statistics on human trafficking. My sources seem to indicate that it doesnt have an impact either way.

I guess i'm more shocked to know that it was legal to begin with ? Lol ...

Plenty of European nations do this and it frankly does make sense.

I smell feminists at work here. Of course men should have to submit all their freedoms to women, request consent in writing before requesting a sexual act, give a quota of foot massages before even thinking of requesting consent in writing, do the house work, sit while peeing....

... and that's just to get a fatty.

Wow. Still trying to figure out why prostitution is such a big deal. One would think legalizing prostitution would give the government more control over the negative aspects of it such as having better control over STD's, mistreatment of prostitutes (Violence, rape), possibly human trafficking (Throw in age restrictions, have surprise inspections on brothels, make sure every prostitute have proper identification, and incur heavy penalties and fines for infractions. Make it hard and less appealing for legit houses to take them in), and drug trafficking/use. Its better to have it in controlled environments instead of in the backroom of some hotel or in a dark alley and backseat of some car.

You're not gonna beat that war against prostitution so why make it harder on yourselves by taking away your control over it? Seems kinda silly to me...

Believe it or not, in America, there are no federal laws prohibiting prostitution (other than military laws prohibiting troops from doing it even where it is legal for civilians and laws against child prostitution). All other laws against prostitution in America are based on state laws, and currently only Nevada has legalized brothels.

It's more correct to state that Nevada is the only state without state law specifically outlawing prostitution. However plenty of counties and localities in Nevada have law against prostitution, so only selected areas within Nevada has legal brothels.

Kinda ironic how the left is progressing closer to the traditional conservative values, at least when it comes to suppressing human nature. I think the futility of that has already been demonstrated by the failure of prohibition and war on drugs.

Is this for real? Good. I was betting on France to wake up from its centuries long daydreaming and take back its stupid liberal attitudes its stubbornly held onto since the French Revolution. Laicite has proven nothing but disastrous for Europe and the West. They need to return to the ancien regime quick so the rest of Europe can follow.

Because the whole liberal movement since the 1500s has got us into the mess we find ourselves in. If you guys weren't aware, western civilization looks like it will collapse within the next two or three generations. We're talking a proper imminent implosion on the level of the fall of the western roman empire.

Protestantism -> humanism -> secular multiculturalism is why we're on the brink of collapse.

You can see politicians virtually selling their policies to you these days.

You can see corporations lobbying to keep employees downtrodden, which is slavery in all but name.

You can see moral and ethical tension within local communities which are causing us to distrust one another.

You can see reason and logic in public discourse has been replaced by unthinking emotionalism.

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The collapse is happening. It's too big not to happen, like a fat kid on his way to having a fatal stroke. There are ways to survive it/preserve your legacy, but that's up to people themselves to figure out. Most won't anyway, whether they're blind or apathetic to what's about to happen.

slow down a bit ... nostradamus

and why are you blame the forces that try to work against your proposed outcomes ?