Freedom of speech exercise we did in gov today, what you think?

We watched a video of this guy, and he puts on a nazi sash and goes in front of a jewish synagouge and preaches anti jewish messages, and says hitler was a good man and all this and that the jewish people need to be cut out like a tumor, and that the nazis will rise in america and take out the jews.

our question was, does this man have free speech or not?

I say no, because of him potentionally starting a riot, and perhaps being concieved as a threat because of his message+apparel.

what say you offtopic?

Of course he has free speech. And I, in turn, have the freedom to call him an ignorant sack of **** that should be hung up and poked with red-hot irons.

yes, but, technically, what rights was this man violating of others? thats what we were arguingmtcoola

[QUOTE="mtcoola"]yes, but, technically, what rights was this man violating of others? thats what we were arguingUNHOLY_basic

Yes, but there are certain limits on yoru freedom of speech. Just like i cant yell out "Fire" in a public building, because it can cause danger to others. I consider his message fighting words, and it could have easily caused riots and chaos.

By the way i live in germany too, so its pretty serious here mentioning anything about hitler off base.

It could be considered a hate speech, which correct me if I'm wrong does not fall under freedom of speech? Seriously correct me if I'm wrong cos I'm not sure. :P Also no one cares about what Nazi's say anymore.xTheExploited

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]It could be considered a hate speech, which correct me if I'm wrong does not fall under freedom of speech? Seriously correct me if I'm wrong cos I'm not sure. :P Also no one cares about what Nazi's say anymore.Parandrus

The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as granted in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution

Yes, it is not protected by the freedom of speech.

I also think the guys message is sort of a violation of their freedom of religion also, beacuse they can't practice their religion peacefully without being threatened.

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]It could be considered a hate speech, which correct me if I'm wrong does not fall under freedom of speech? Seriously correct me if I'm wrong cos I'm not sure. :P Also no one cares about what Nazi's say anymore.Parandrus

It depends on where you are. On private property, for example, you can't say whatever you want. And in places like this, you usually need to keep a certain distance from wherever you are. On a public street, you can say pretty much anything as long as it's not "I have a bomb and want to kill the President."

[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"][QUOTE="mtcoola"]yes, but, technically, what rights was this man violating of others? thats what we were arguingmtcoola

Yes, but there are certain limits on yoru freedom of speech. Just like i cant yell out "Fire" in a public building, because it can cause danger to others. I consider his message fighting words, and it could have easily caused riots and chaos.

By the way i live in germany too, so its pretty serious here mentioning anything about hitler off base.

Of course he has free speech. And I, in turn, have the freedom to call him an ignorant sack of **** that should be hung up and poked with red-hot irons.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="mtcoola"]

[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"] not unless he was physically hurting someone or damaging property. He has freedom of speech, just because you dont like his message dosent mean he should be censored, because the next person to be censored could be you.UNHOLY_basic

Yes, but there are certain limits on yoru freedom of speech. Just like i cant yell out "Fire" in a public building, because it can cause danger to others. I consider his message fighting words, and it could have easily caused riots and chaos.

By the way i live in germany too, so its pretty serious here mentioning anything about hitler off base.

what's a tired argument? If a man, dressed up as a terrorist, when into your work building and said "americans all deserve to die!" would you not see that as a threat?Or if a white guy went to a black neighborhood with a kkk outfit, and said "black people dont deserve to live!",do you think they would see him as a threat?

[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"][QUOTE="mtcoola"]

Yes, but there are certain limits on yoru freedom of speech. Just like i cant yell out "Fire" in a public building, because it can cause danger to others. I consider his message fighting words, and it could have easily caused riots and chaos.

By the way i live in germany too, so its pretty serious here mentioning anything about hitler off base.

mtcoola

what's a tired argument? If a man, dressed up as a terrorist, when into your work building and said "americans all deserve to die!" would you not see that as a threat?

Anyone can say whatever they want. Doing what they say... that's an entirely other matter.foxhound_fox

I can go into a government building and say "Let's kill the president!" and not get in trouble as long as i dont act upon it?

I can go into a government building and say "Let's kill the president!" and not get in trouble as long as i dont act upon it?mtcoola

what's a tired argument? If a man, dressed up as a terrorist, when into your work building and said "americans all deserve to die!" would you not see that as a threat?Or if a white guy went to a black neighborhood with a kkk outfit, and said "black people dont deserve to live!",do you think they would see him as a threat? mtcoola

[QUOTE="mtcoola"]I can go into a government building and say "Let's kill the president!" and not get in trouble as long as i dont act upon it?foxhound_fox

Hm, thats fair enough. But back to my main example, would you consider this man a threat or not?

[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"][QUOTE="mtcoola"]

Yes, but there are certain limits on yoru freedom of speech. Just like i cant yell out "Fire" in a public building, because it can cause danger to others. I consider his message fighting words, and it could have easily caused riots and chaos.

By the way i live in germany too, so its pretty serious here mentioning anything about hitler off base.

mtcoola

what's a tired argument? If a man, dressed up as a terrorist, when into your work building and said "americans all deserve to die!" would you not see that as a threat?Or if a white guy went to a black neighborhood with a kkk outfit, and said "black people dont deserve to live!",do you think they would see him as a threat?

Hm, thats fair enough. But back to my main example, would you consider this man a threat or not? mtcoola

Anyone can say whatever they want. Doing what they say... that's an entirely other matter.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="mtcoola"]I can go into a government building and say "Let's kill the president!" and not get in trouble as long as i dont act upon it?foxhound_fox

Everyone should be able to say whatever they want, and people should have the right to kick the crap out of them, too.liquidsuns

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Anyone can say whatever they want. Doing what they say... that's an entirely other matter.LJS9502_basic

Yeah that was one of the arguments we had. I wouldnt have had so much of a problem with it if the guy was at a public park or something. But to be in front a jewish synagouge, it seemed like an intent to cause an angry riot

[QUOTE="liquidsuns"]Everyone should be able to say whatever they want, and people should have the right to kick the crap out of them, too.markop2003

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="liquidsuns"]Everyone should be able to say whatever they want, and people should have the right to kick the crap out of them, too.liquidsuns

Yes you have freedom of speech, but obviously there are limits. You can't yell "FIRE!" in the middle of an assembly. Speech which is soley intended to hurt others or promote violence is not protected either. People can say what they want, but the 1st will not always be protecting them. nintendofreak_2

Damn you, I was just gonna post that... >_____>

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]Yes you have freedom of speech, but obviously there are limits. You can't yell "FIRE!" in the middle of an assembly. Speech which is soley intended to hurt others or promote violence is not protected either. People can say what they want, but the 1st will not always be protecting them. NightStalkerBX

Damn you, I was just gonna post that... >_____>

Freedom of speech does not include speech intended to incite hate/violence.MattUD1

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Anyone can say whatever they want. Doing what they say... that's an entirely other matter.mtcoola

I can go into a government building and say "Let's kill the president!" and not get in trouble as long as i dont act upon it?

Of course he has free speech. And I, in turn, have the freedom to call him an ignorant sack of **** that should be hung up and poked with red-hot irons.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Freedom of speech does not include speech intended to incite hate/violence.bungie93

"In Beauharnais v. Illinois, 104 relying on dicta in past cases, 105 the Court upheld a state group libel law which made it unlawful to defame a race or class of people. The defendant had been convicted under this statute after he had distributed a leaflet, a part of which was in the form of a petition to his city government, taking a hard-line white supremacy position and calling for action to keep African Americans out of white neighborhoods. Justice Frankfurter for the Court sustained the statute along the following reasoning. Libel of an individual, he established, was a common-law crime and was now made criminal by statute in every State in the Union. These laws raise no constitutional difficulty because libel is within that class of speech which is not protected by the First Amendment." http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/18.html#4

We watched a video of this guy, and he puts on a nazi sash and goes in front of a jewish synagouge and preaches anti jewish messages, and says hitler was a good man and all this and that the jewish people need to be cut out like a tumor, and that the nazis will rise in america and take out the jews.

our question was, does this man have free speech or not?

I say no, because of him potentionally starting a riot, and perhaps being concieved as a threat because of his message+apparel.

what say you offtopic?