Frightening new Presidential Directive....you have to see this!

This is some seriously disturbing stuff... can anyone say "Palpatine"?

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

it was to long to read but if it has anything to do with american politics its messed up.Eliddle112

Just read the first paragraph.... establishing "National Essential Functions" for the private sector and all three branches of the government. Just think about that...

that's it. after high school im moving to englandscary_snake

I'm not sure you want to move over here though. Unless you fancy paying the equivalent to $80 to fill your car up with petrol...yes, that's right, we pay about $7.00 or more a gallon over here...that and all the other taxes that are going on...and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]that's it. after high school im moving to englandWren28

I'm not sure you want to move over here though. Unless you fancy paying the equivalent to $80 to fill your car up with petrol...yes, that's right, we pay about $7.00 or more a gallon over here...that and all the other taxes that are going on...and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

i'll use a bike 

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]that's it. after high school im moving to englandWren28

I'm not sure you want to move over here though. Unless you fancy paying the equivalent to $80 to fill your car up with petrol...yes, that's right, we pay about $7.00 or more a gallon over here...that and all the other taxes that are going on...and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

If u were going to go anywhere, go to canada. Were laid back and we dont get involved lol

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]that's it. after high school im moving to englandWren28

I'm not sure you want to move over here though. Unless you fancy paying the equivalent to $80 to fill your car up with petrol...yes, that's right, we pay about $7.00 or more a gallon over here...that and all the other taxes that are going on...and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

[QUOTE="Wren28"]

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]that's it. after high school im moving to englandscary_snake

I'm not sure you want to move over here though. Unless you fancy paying the equivalent to $80 to fill your car up with petrol...yes, that's right, we pay about $7.00 or more a gallon over here...that and all the other taxes that are going on...and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

i'll use a bike 

Bike's are good:). You'll get a lot of exercise at least.

[QUOTE="Wren28"]

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]that's it. after high school im moving to englandjethrovegas

I'm not sure you want to move over here though. Unless you fancy paying the equivalent to $80 to fill your car up with petrol...yes, that's right, we pay about $7.00 or more a gallon over here...that and all the other taxes that are going on...and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

Well, it has to go through Congress first, doesn't it? And if it does, I highly doubt all the Democrats in there will allow it. That and Bush only has a year and a half left.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="Wren28"]

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]that's it. after high school im moving to englandWren28

I'm not sure you want to move over here though. Unless you fancy paying the equivalent to $80 to fill your car up with petrol...yes, that's right, we pay about $7.00 or more a gallon over here...that and all the other taxes that are going on...and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

Well, it has to go through Congress first, doesn't it? And if it does, I highly doubt all the Democrats in there will allow it. That and Bush only has a year and a half left.

no!!!!!!!!! he still has a year and a half to go :cry: 

Well, it has to go through Congress first, doesn't it? And if it does, I highly doubt all the Democrats in there will allow it. That and Bush only has a year and a half left.

I dont think you are understanding this... what you just read is an Executive Order...Bush signed it into effect on May 9th....

Well, it has to go through Congress first, doesn't it? And if it does, I highly doubt all the Democrats in there will allow it. That and Bush only has a year and a half left.

jethrovegas

I dont think you are understanding this... what you just read is an Executive Order...Bush signed it into effect on May 9th....

Ok, thanks for explaining...I generally stay out of politics...it just drives me crazy because most of the time I can't stand any of those running for office.

Could anyone translate the legal mumbo-jumbo into the layman?foxhound_fox

What it means is that the President could, in case of an emergency, grant himself unlimtited power over the private sector and the entire Government. He could also keep himself in office indefinitely....

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Could anyone translate the legal mumbo-jumbo into the layman?jethrovegas

What it means is that the President could, in case of an emergency, grant himself unlimtited power over the private sector and the entire Government. He could also keep himself in office indefinitely....

Yeah, It has been on the news here for some time now.

What it means is that the President could, in case of an emergency, grant himself unlimtited power over the private sector and the entire Government. He could also keep himself in office indefinitely....

jethrovegas

Scary thing is Im listening to Ozzy and hes saying "TOO LATE STANDING ON THE TRAP DOOR"

 But hes gonna set up another 9/11 just so he can get all that power just watch.

 Common guys get groups together and lets get him out of the office! WE CANT HAVE A BEAST CONTROLLING OUR LIVES!

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

What it means is that the President could, in case of an emergency, grant himself unlimtited power over the private sector and the entire Government. He could also keep himself in office indefinitely....

double_decker

What it means is that the President could, in case of an emergency, grant himself unlimtited power over the private sector and the entire Government. He could also keep himself in office indefinitely....jethrovegas

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]What it means is that the President could, in case of an emergency, grant himself unlimtited power over the private sector and the entire Government. He could also keep himself in office indefinitely....foxhound_fox

If he, or anyone, gets these powers, the West wont be the only ones in trouble...

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]What it means is that the President could, in case of an emergency, grant himself unlimtited power over the private sector and the entire Government. He could also keep himself in office indefinitely....jethrovegas

If he, or anyone, gets these powers, the West wont be the only ones in trouble...

I fail to see how this will affect Europe...(the majority of the west) ...as long as the trade relations stay as they are..the west will be ok.

I fail to see how this will affect Europe...(the majority of the west) ...as long as the trade relations stay as they are..the west will be ok.

jointed

You dont understand man! If a President uses these powers they could become a Dictator! That would leave Bush, or Clinton, or whoever, free to pursue their own military agenda in the Middle East and around the world! How does that not affect Europe?

[QUOTE="jointed"]

I fail to see how this will affect Europe...(the majority of the west) ...as long as the trade relations stay as they are..the west will be ok.

jethrovegas

You dont understand man! If a President uses these powers they could become a Dictator! That would leave Bush, or Clinton, or whoever, free to pursue their own military agenda in the Middle East and around the world! How does that not affect Europe?

Well, if the American president becomes a dictator with a military agenda...I doubt China and other countries would lend the US the money they will need for such purposes.

Didn't everyone panic enough about this yesterday?

They're just powers in case of an emergency and sadly any effective powers in such cases are always going to be somewhat dictatorial.  That's nothing new.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="jointed"]

I fail to see how this will affect Europe...(the majority of the west) ...as long as the trade relations stay as they are..the west will be ok.

jointed

You dont understand man! If a President uses these powers they could become a Dictator! That would leave Bush, or Clinton, or whoever, free to pursue their own military agenda in the Middle East and around the world! How does that not affect Europe?

Well, if the American president becomes a dictator with a military agenda...I doubt China and other countries would lend the US the money they will need for such purposes.

If he seizes the Private Sector then what in the hell will he need money for?

Didn't everyone panic enough about this yesterday?

They're just powers in case of an emergency and sadly any effective powers in such cases are always going to be somewhat dictatorial.  That's nothing new.

duxup

Famous last words.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="jointed"]

I fail to see how this will affect Europe...(the majority of the west) ...as long as the trade relations stay as they are..the west will be ok.

jethrovegas

You dont understand man! If a President uses these powers they could become a Dictator! That would leave Bush, or Clinton, or whoever, free to pursue their own military agenda in the Middle East and around the world! How does that not affect Europe?

Well, if the American president becomes a dictator with a military agenda...I doubt China and other countries would lend the US the money they will need for such purposes.

If he seizes the Private Sector then what in the hell will he need money for?

Such massive change would take time, and I doubt that the american people would allow this.....well maybe if they'll keep watching Fox News.

Doesn't anyone understand the significance of this? Can you people not see the paralells throughout history? This is one of the greatest threats to our Nation ever! How can you just brush this off!?jethrovegas

I blame Fox News...as said before.

Doesn't anyone understand the significance of this? Can you people not see the paralells throughout history? This is one of the greatest threats to our Nation ever! How can you just brush this off!?jethrovegas

There have been emergency powers in place for the President and even other branches of the government for a long time.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Doesn't anyone understand the significance of this? Can you people not see the paralells throughout history? This is one of the greatest threats to our Nation ever! How can you just brush this off!?jointed

I blame Fox News...as said before.

Not just Fox News...although they certainly are a giant collection of idiots. Every single major News Channel has ignored this thing.

Big deal.

Now, back to the 'Is it okay to hit woman?' thread I go!  

Big deal.

Now, back to the 'Is it okay to hit woman?' thread I go!  

 

 

Squidward117

 *sigh*

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Doesn't anyone understand the significance of this? Can you people not see the paralells throughout history? This is one of the greatest threats to our Nation ever! How can you just brush this off!?duxup

There have been emergency powers in place for the President and even other branches of the government for a long time.

But there has never been a law that allowed the President to dictate orders to all branches of government and to seize Private Sector interests. This Directive allows him to become the King of America.

and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

Wren28

This is a problem how? 

[QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Doesn't anyone understand the significance of this? Can you people not see the paralells throughout history? This is one of the greatest threats to our Nation ever! How can you just brush this off!?jethrovegas

There have been emergency powers in place for the President and even other branches of the government for a long time.

But there has never been a law that allowed the President to dictate orders to all branches of government and to seize Private Sector interests. This Directive allows him to become the King of America.

Now he is royalty? Your theory is ... wow. So when is this new line of kings going to begin?

[QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Doesn't anyone understand the significance of this? Can you people not see the paralells throughout history? This is one of the greatest threats to our Nation ever! How can you just brush this off!?jethrovegas

There have been emergency powers in place for the President and even other branches of the government for a long time.

But there has never been a law that allowed the President to dictate orders to all branches of government and to seize Private Sector interests. This Directive allows him to become the King of America.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Doesn't anyone understand the significance of this? Can you people not see the paralells throughout history? This is one of the greatest threats to our Nation ever! How can you just brush this off!?duxup

There have been emergency powers in place for the President and even other branches of the government for a long time.

But there has never been a law that allowed the President to dictate orders to all branches of government and to seize Private Sector interests. This Directive allows him to become the King of America.

Now he is royalty? Your theory is ... wow. So when is this new line of kings going to begin?

He said that it basically allows him to become a king....not that he is, so don't put words in his mouth :?

I'm still very sceptic towards this....It would have been ALL OVER the news if it was this serious.

He said that it basically allows him to become a king....not that he is, so don't put words in his mouth :?

I'm still very sceptic towards this....It would have been ALL OVER the news if it was this serious.

jointed

I'm just trying to get more info.  If this is going to happen I want to be in a position to get in on that upper class serfdom rather than being just a regular old surf.

People are so paranoid. Nothing in there says the President can just take over all the government and rule as a king. Congress still controlls the budget and has impeachment power. Any directive that removes that power would be unconstituional and never enforcable. This directive authorizes the executive branch to cut a lot of federal red tape in case of ""Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;". If the crap hits the fan, I'd like to know the government at least has a plan to secure the nation.

Further more: "21) This directive:

(a) Shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and the authorities of agencies, or heads of agencies, vested by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations;

(b) Shall not be construed to impair or otherwise affect (i) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, and legislative proposals, or (ii) the authority of the Secretary of Defense over the Department of Defense, including the chain of command for military forces from the President, to the Secretary of Defense, to the commander of military forces, or military command and control procedures; and

(c) Is not intended to, and does not, create any rights or benefits, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person."

[QUOTE="Wren28"]

and this country is being taken over by non-English people.

nuttybar

This is a problem how? 

I wasn't meaning any offense by saying that. Just drop the matter, I don't feel like going into a whole lot of detail about England in a thread about America.