Gaining employment through a relative or friend - yay or nay?

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#1 tomo90
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So this really boils my blood sometimes, that is to say, getting a job and possibly a career through 'connections'.

Out of all my close friends (about 6 people) who have recently graduated from university in the past year with varying degrees have got their current jobs which are reasonably well paid city jobs in fields pretty sought after by plenty of graduates, i.e. accountancy, insurance and engineering, through a relative or friend.

Only one of my friends has actually bothered to go out and look for about four months for their own employment.

Now this really gets on my nerves. I just consider this extremely lazy.

Had they attempted to go out and find a job and six months down the line they come back with nothing, then perhaps I'd be more understanding. This wasn't the case however, all of them left university with reasonable degrees 2.1-2.2 (not sure what the U.S degree scoring scheme is like) and managed to ask their parents or relatives to get them a job within 4 weeks of leaving university and coming home. Two of which didn't even have to attend an interview.

Would you find this acceptable to do? Or would you attempt to find one yourself in a reasonable amount of time? Or do you think it's every man (or woman!) for themselves in the current job market/economic climate?

I'd like to point out I'm not bitter :P

I have already have a job.

Also I don't hold it against my friends for doing this, nor do I hate them for it - perhaps more frustration at soceity as a whole about this issue.

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#2 pero2008
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Saying is it isn't what you know, it's who you know.

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#3 JML897
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It bugs me only because I don't really have many connections but I can't hate somebody for it. If I had the connections I'd use them to get a job too.
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#4 deactivated-598fc45371265
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They must be well connected. :/

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#5 tomo90
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Saying is it isn't what you know, it's who you know.

pero2008

Do you agree with it though? Or are prepared to go along with it?

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#6 Lord_Frijoles
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It bugs me only because I don't really have many connections but I can't hate somebody for it. If I had the connections I'd use them to get a job too. JML897
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#7 MrPraline
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I've had this job for about 6 years now and have seen people come and go; most of the new employees and partners are in some way related to current management and partners. Connections are really the way to go to get jobs in this day and age. It is a bit unfair to other, well qualified, applicants, sure, but I don't have a huge issue with it myself. Hiring people is always a risk.
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#8 Animatronic64
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By any means necessary.

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#9 kingkong0124
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it's fine, that's what friends and family is for, supporting each other.

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#10 TacticalDesire
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Well, alot of success is based on who you know. That plays a big part in Hollywood, and pretty much anywhere. Of course I wouldn't fault them for it.

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#11 TacticalDesire
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it's fine, that's what friends and family is for, supporting each other.

kingkong0124

Oh damn. I agree with Kong:P

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#12 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

it's fine, that's what friends and family is for, supporting each other.

TacticalDesire

Oh damn. I agree with Kong:P

this is a sign for good things to come :P
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#13 BossPerson
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

it's fine, that's what friends and family is for, supporting each other.

TacticalDesire

Oh damn. I agree with Kong:P

yea this is a first for me too
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#14 moneymatterz
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This would be a non-issue if you had any marketable skills. Simply getting a degree is not a skill.

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#15 markop2003
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Sounds fine to me, everyone uses their contacts to get jobs. As long as they don't get a and hold on to a job just because of who they know then it's fine.
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#16 DraugenCP
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I don't see what's against it. Or at least not in my case. I recently took over a job from a friend as Spanish tutor. She wanted to quit and they immediately needed someone else, and I was qualified. I still had to go though the application procedure and everything, though.

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#17 ShadowMoses900
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You have to take every oppurtunity life presents you, wether it's through a friend getting you a job or not. And believe it or not, most people get their jobs through people they know. It doesn't have anything to do with college or experience sometimes at all.

"It's not what you know, it's who you know" kinda thing.

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#18 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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Yes. Everybody else does it and unless you enjoy missed opportunities, you might as well too.
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#19 chaoscougar1
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Absolutely Though for me I would feel there is increased pressure to perform I know I would not want to let the person down, because it would reflect badly on both of us In the future, if I help someone to get a job, I would like them to see it the same way Not so much the pressure, but the desire to perform well
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#20 cheese_game619
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why would you turn down an opportunity just because you already know one or more of your coworkers that makes no sense
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#21 AutoPilotOn
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Never been unemployed in 14 years and always used connection. I am currently looking for work I have two offers one was just from me applying the other was because my gf's uncle is a supervisor there. Just waiting to see whichs offers best opportunity now.
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#22 harashawn
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Why not? Who you know is always more important than what you know.
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#23 Ghost_702
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Of course I would hate it if someone were to take a job from me due to their connections with the employer. However, if a friend or relative of mine offered me a good job, I would take it. Therefore, I can't really hold it against the job seeker. It's more of the employers fault for playing favorites.
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#24 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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Connections are very useful. That being said, to simply be hired on the basis of one doesn't mean you'll be good at the job.
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#25 Vikes88
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Suzy's onto something: connections are only worth what you make of them. I say, if a friend is willing to put their reputation on the line for you, it's a two-way street. It's not just you getting a job: it's you needing to be comfortable being a representation of that friend's judgement, and it's the friend saying they believe enough in you to go out on a limb for now. Nothing wrong with using connections, so long as you don't abuse them.
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#26 RandomWinner
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Its all about who you know. It can be frustrating if you keep getting passed over though.

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#27 Aquat1cF1sh
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It's completely acceptable. A job is a job.
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#28 Agent-Zero
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It's not what you know, it's who you know.
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#29 Apathetic_Prick
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In response to OP: A little nepotism goes a long way. That isn't to say that I believe in it wholeheartedly. I once had a job that I got through a family member, and I really arsed it up. That said, I won't take a job I can't do. I'm not going to embarass myself and someone else as collateral damage ever again.

I have been offered jobs by family members - work I'm overqualified for, such as IT services - but I still pass on it because I don't want to be working for family if I can have my own job. They supported me for like...20-something years of my life, time to get off the teat and stay off.

Now, when people graduate from university, they rarely have practical experience. If, in the future, my niece ever came to me for a position higher than paeon, she'd better have the skills and experience to back it up. An MBA will not be enough. Actually, it's enough for me to throw the resume out, but that's a rant for another thread.

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#30 D3nnyCrane
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No reason not to. Just gotta make sure you're up to scratch, because it looks bad on both of you if you're not.
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#31 jerk-o-tron2000
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Take anything you can get, rosebud.

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#32 LaytonsCat
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Huzzah! for Nepotism

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#33 DJ-Lafleur
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As long as you can actually do the job, then by all means go for it. Networking and the people you know are a large part of business.

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#34 k2theswiss
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umm.

are you mad? idk i can't tell

HOW can you be mad at someone having more resources then the other? YA it sucks but thats really life. use your resources. IF you have non Then get out there and work to get those resources. i have heard of people going out to bars and stores and meeting people then pushing their way up and tring to see if they have info on the job field.

it's you in quicker your resource can walk over HR and all they have to do say your name and now your name is at the top of the list

it gets you a chance to start off with little bit higher pay. you got inside info and you got someone saying your name. you can push your self a bit

lets you get away with somethings. knowing the managers can some times save your butt from somethings (to a point)

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#35 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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Use whatever you have. Why piddle around for months and be broke, when you can do it the 'Lazy' way
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#36 branketra
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I would take it as long as the money's good and the job isn't terrible.
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#37 Karnage108
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It sucks when it's not you, but it's fair game.
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#38 chaoscougar1
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umm.

are you mad? idk i can't tell

HOW can you be mad at someone having more resources then the other? YA it sucks but thats really life. use your resources. IF you have non Then get out there and work to get those resources. i have heard of people going out to bars and stores and meeting people then pushing their way up and tring to see if they have info on the job field.

it's you in quicker your resource can walk over HR and all they have to do say your name and now your name is at the top of the list

it gets you a chance to start off with little bit higher pay. you got inside info and you got someone saying your name. you can push your self a bit

lets you get away with somethings. knowing the managers can some times save your butt from somethings (to a point)

k2theswiss

D:

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#39 mccoyca112
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As long as they can do their job competently, there isn't a problem.

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#40 k2theswiss
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[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

umm.

are you mad? idk i can't tell

HOW can you be mad at someone having more resources then the other? YA it sucks but thats really life. use your resources. IF you have non Then get out there and work to get those resources. i have heard of people going out to bars and stores and meeting people then pushing their way up and tring to see if they have info on the job field.

it's you in quicker your resource can walk over HR and all they have to do say your name and now your name is at the top of the list

it gets you a chance to start off with little bit higher pay. you got inside info and you got someone saying your name. you can push your self a bit

lets you get away with somethings. knowing the managers can some times save your butt from somethings (to a point)

chaoscougar1

D:

ooo a new way i can bash your post

:D

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#41 chilly-chill
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If I'm desperate, but on the norm I like to make my own way.
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#42 Shottayouth13-
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It's not what you know, but who you know. Sounds cliche but it's the truth.
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#43 lightleggy
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As long as I dont have to work with my friend, im cool. Dont get me wrong, I definitely love my friends, but when im around them, I become a very childlish/stupid person (in a good way, but not good for a business enviroment) So if i'd be working with them on the same thing, none of us would work at all.
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#44 pianist
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No matter what your profession is, who you know is going to be important. And there's no point whatsoever in complaining about that. People are going to hire individuals they know and trust over an unknown factor, because security is awfully important in competitive enterprises. When you hire a stranger, you don't know if you're going to get a good worker or a dud. Duds are expensive liabilities. When you hire someone you KNOW will be a good worker, the likelihood of getting a dud employee is much lower.

Now, if someone hires a person they know who is NOT a good worker simply because of nepotism or so forth, that's their loss.

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#45 Serraph105
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you ever hear of linkedin dude? Most people aren't so proud that they won't use whatever and whomever they can so they can get ahead in life.

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#46 Serraph105
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you should check this place out TC.

http://www.linkedin.com/

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It bugs me only because I don't really have many connections but I can't hate somebody for it. If I had the connections I'd use them to get a job too. JML897
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#48 chaoscougar1
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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

umm.

are you mad? idk i can't tell

HOW can you be mad at someone having more resources then the other? YA it sucks but thats really life. use your resources. IF you have non Then get out there and work to get those resources. i have heard of people going out to bars and stores and meeting people then pushing their way up and tring to see if they have info on the job field.

it's you in quicker your resource can walk over HR and all they have to do say your name and now your name is at the top of the list

it gets you a chance to start off with little bit higher pay. you got inside info and you got someone saying your name. you can push your self a bit

lets you get away with somethings. knowing the managers can some times save your butt from somethings (to a point)

k2theswiss

D:

ooo a new way i can bash your post

:D

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#49 ShadowsDemon
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Yeah of course.
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#50 jonathant5
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It is fine, more than fine in fact. In this day and age, connections are very important. That is why in order for one to have a higher chance of getting a job, they have to network (so go to company sponsored events for students, and etc) and network with different industry professionals. Get to know them well, show them your value, and, at the end of the day, once you graduate, you can get them to put in a good word for you so that you get called in for the interview, and maybe even get the job. It is less risky for a business to hire someone that is recommended to them by a party that they trust. Getting good connections while in Uni (especially if your parents lack those connections) is VERY important. Getting to know the upper years who have interned with companies you want to work for, or getting to know the managers of a company is very important. Through them you can get a job. I was talking to the Senior Manager at Ernst & Young, and he said that most of the time, when they get applications for positions, if they cant put a face to the name (so no one in the company knows them, no referral from someone who works there, etc) than those people (unless if the student/applicant has amazing stats) do not get the job, the resume just gets ignored over and someone that they have seen before (at networking events, or a referral, and etc) will get the interview (and that is where it is all up to the applicant to show his/her value to the company) and hopefully a job. So no, it is not unfair, it is how it works nowadays.