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It's so wrong to fight,it's more wrong to fight on holy land.

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It has already stopped

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#3 Justinps2hero

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It'll never stop. Leave them to it, stop pretending to be the world police & let them destroy themselves over two religions that probably a thousand years ago were the same.

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It'll never stop. Leave them to it, stop pretending to be the world police & let them destroy themselves over two religions that probably a thousand years ago were the same.Justinps2hero

it has nothing to do with religion. It's not some ancient conflict that people would have you believe to inspire apathy from your part.

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its already over, at least until the next time.

Netanyahu's battle isn't over just yet, he is going to suffer from this.

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#6 Justinps2hero

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Well, even if its just over who owns the land, do you think they want us to decide? Just who will that make happy? There is no right answer, so we should back Nato in keeping their heads under the sand.

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its already over, at least until the next time.
Netanyahu's battle isn't over just yet, he is going to suffer from this.
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he is going to suffer election wise you mean? Im thinking the same thing; we would have preferred the chance to do a ground invasion and show his military strength in my opinion

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Remove Hamas, establish a more peaceful regimen, sighn treaty with Israel were they leave the territories for good & stop expanding, UN acts a police force in Palestine territories until government is stable on own while also providing financial support.

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[QUOTE="Justinps2hero"]It'll never stop. Leave them to it, stop pretending to be the world police & let them destroy themselves over two religions that probably a thousand years ago were the same.BossPerson

it has nothing to do with religion. It's not some ancient conflict that people would have you believe to inspire apathy from your part.

Beautiful last words but its how the world is. If you make war with a army your the savior in time,do it with a handful of people and your a terrorist.

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#10 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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The war has stopped just for now. It'll start up again in a few years once Hamas replenishes weaponary.

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#11 Darkman2007

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
its already over, at least until the next time.
Netanyahu's battle isn't over just yet, he is going to suffer from this.
BossPerson

he is going to suffer election wise you mean? Im thinking the same thing; we would have preferred the chance to do a ground invasion and show his military strength in my opinion

basically, he calls up tens of thousands of reservists, and enough firepower to more or less take Gaza, talks big, and then cuts a deal with them which makes them and Egypt look good, makes Israel look stupid, and makes Abu Mazen look even more powerless. I mean , just this morning, there were already sirens going off (apparently there was a rocket, but it landed in Gaza) www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310384,00.html should give you an idea of this. there are three scenarios now, either Bibi still wins, but with a smaller majority, or Labour wins, or the public could actually go futher right and vote for one of the more fringe party , which would be interesting in regards to who gets to be prime minster.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
its already over, at least until the next time.
Netanyahu's battle isn't over just yet, he is going to suffer from this.
Darkman2007

he is going to suffer election wise you mean? Im thinking the same thing; we would have preferred the chance to do a ground invasion and show his military strength in my opinion

basically, he calls up tens of thousands of reservists, and enough firepower to more or less take Gaza, talks big, and then cuts a deal with them which makes them and Egypt look good, makes Israel look stupid, and makes Abu Mazen look even more powerless. I mean , just this morning, there were already sirens going off (apparently there was a rocket, but it landed in Gaza) www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310384,00.html should give you an idea of this. there are three scenarios now, either Bibi still wins, but with a smaller majority, or Labour wins, or the public could actually go futher right and vote for one of the more fringe party , which would be interesting in regards to who gets to be prime minster.

With regards to Abbas, the west has put him in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they are using him to fabricate the idea that a peace process is underway, to give the appearence of progress. Essentially, they want him to have just enough power to be able to claim that he represents the Palestinians and that he is forwarding the peace process, but they dont want him to have enough power to actually be able to do anything about it. IMO, the netanyahu government has made a big mistake isolating him since they are shifting Palestinian support away from Abbas and to other groups, in this case Hamas which has been further legitimized after this war. Netanyahu has de-legitimized Abbas to the point where he is losing credibility. But Israel shouldnt want this, im sure they'd rather have palestinians supporting Fatah instead of Hamas. And with regards to Egypt, they are probably the biggest winner of all here.

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#13 Darkman2007

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]he is going to suffer election wise you mean? Im thinking the same thing; we would have preferred the chance to do a ground invasion and show his military strength in my opinion BossPerson

basically, he calls up tens of thousands of reservists, and enough firepower to more or less take Gaza, talks big, and then cuts a deal with them which makes them and Egypt look good, makes Israel look stupid, and makes Abu Mazen look even more powerless. I mean , just this morning, there were already sirens going off (apparently there was a rocket, but it landed in Gaza) www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310384,00.html should give you an idea of this. there are three scenarios now, either Bibi still wins, but with a smaller majority, or Labour wins, or the public could actually go futher right and vote for one of the more fringe party , which would be interesting in regards to who gets to be prime minster.

With regards to Abbas, the west has put him in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they are using him to fabricate the idea that a peace process is underway, to give the appearence of progress. Essentially, they want him to have just enough power to be able to claim that he represents the Palestinians and that he is forwarding the peace process, but they dont want him to have enough power to actually be able to do anything about it. IMO, the netanyahu government has made a big mistake isolating him since they are shifting Palestinian support away from Abbas and to other groups, in this case Hamas which has been further legitimized after this war. Netanyahu has de-legitimized Abbas to the point where he is losing credibility. But Israel shouldnt want this, im sure they'd rather have palestinians supporting Fatah instead of Hamas. And with regards to Egypt, they are probably the biggest winner of all here.

ha, Netanyahu didn't just delegitimise Abu Mazen , he delegitmized himself, between the press pouring buckets of crap on him and the others (ie Barak and Liberman) and theres plenty of talk about "closing the debt with Biberman" and "retiring Netanyahu to play Golf in Ceaserea" at least Abu Mazen gets to keep his job.....

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] basically, he calls up tens of thousands of reservists, and enough firepower to more or less take Gaza, talks big, and then cuts a deal with them which makes them and Egypt look good, makes Israel look stupid, and makes Abu Mazen look even more powerless. I mean , just this morning, there were already sirens going off (apparently there was a rocket, but it landed in Gaza) www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310384,00.html should give you an idea of this. there are three scenarios now, either Bibi still wins, but with a smaller majority, or Labour wins, or the public could actually go futher right and vote for one of the more fringe party , which would be interesting in regards to who gets to be prime minster.

With regards to Abbas, the west has put him in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they are using him to fabricate the idea that a peace process is underway, to give the appearence of progress. Essentially, they want him to have just enough power to be able to claim that he represents the Palestinians and that he is forwarding the peace process, but they dont want him to have enough power to actually be able to do anything about it. IMO, the netanyahu government has made a big mistake isolating him since they are shifting Palestinian support away from Abbas and to other groups, in this case Hamas which has been further legitimized after this war. Netanyahu has de-legitimized Abbas to the point where he is losing credibility. But Israel shouldnt want this, im sure they'd rather have palestinians supporting Fatah instead of Hamas. And with regards to Egypt, they are probably the biggest winner of all here.

ha, Netanyahu didn't just delegitimise Abu Mazen , he delegitmized himself, between the press pouring buckets of crap on him and the others (ie Barak and Liberman) and theres plenty of talk about "closing the debt with Biberman" and "retiring Netanyahu to play Golf in Ceaserea" at least Abu Mazen gets to keep his job.....

but what about average Israelis? I dont think many of them would want a war, perhaps they applaud Netanyahu for ending the conflict (or at least allowing it to end)

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#15 Darkman2007

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]With regards to Abbas, the west has put him in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they are using him to fabricate the idea that a peace process is underway, to give the appearence of progress. Essentially, they want him to have just enough power to be able to claim that he represents the Palestinians and that he is forwarding the peace process, but they dont want him to have enough power to actually be able to do anything about it. IMO, the netanyahu government has made a big mistake isolating him since they are shifting Palestinian support away from Abbas and to other groups, in this case Hamas which has been further legitimized after this war. Netanyahu has de-legitimized Abbas to the point where he is losing credibility. But Israel shouldnt want this, im sure they'd rather have palestinians supporting Fatah instead of Hamas. And with regards to Egypt, they are probably the biggest winner of all here.

ha, Netanyahu didn't just delegitimise Abu Mazen , he delegitmized himself, between the press pouring buckets of crap on him and the others (ie Barak and Liberman) and theres plenty of talk about "closing the debt with Biberman" and "retiring Netanyahu to play Golf in Ceaserea" at least Abu Mazen gets to keep his job.....

but what about average Israelis? I dont think many of them would want a war, perhaps they applaud Netanyahu for ending the conflict (or at least allowing it to end)

its not that people want a war, but they do want an end to the rockets, and most people see that a ceasefire like this is just like the previous ones, so it means nothing. people expected more from Netanyahu because he complained back in 2006 and 2009 that the government wasn't doing enough , in fact when elected he said he would "topple the Hamas" so after all his big talk, people are disappointed that he ended up with something even weaker than Olmert did its not like people want a war, but you know what I mean. the other problem for Netanyahu is that the Likud tradtionally gets more votes from the south, and they are the ones most angry at him for not doing enough, so he will lose alot there. Im not sure if he will lose, but the previous near certainty of him winning is gone, that much is sure.

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You're late, there's a cease fire.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] ha, Netanyahu didn't just delegitimise Abu Mazen , he delegitmized himself, between the press pouring buckets of crap on him and the others (ie Barak and Liberman) and theres plenty of talk about "closing the debt with Biberman" and "retiring Netanyahu to play Golf in Ceaserea" at least Abu Mazen gets to keep his job.....

but what about average Israelis? I dont think many of them would want a war, perhaps they applaud Netanyahu for ending the conflict (or at least allowing it to end)

its not that people want a war, but they do want an end to the rockets, and most people see that a ceasefire like this is just like the previous ones, so it means nothing. people expected more from Netanyahu because he complained back in 2006 and 2009 that the government wasn't doing enough , in fact when elected he said he would "topple the Hamas" so after all his big talk, people are disappointed that he ended up with something even weaker than Olmert did its not like people want a war, but you know what I mean. the other problem for Netanyahu is that the Likud tradtionally gets more votes from the south, and they are the ones most angry at him for not doing enough, so he will lose alot there. Im not sure if he will lose, but the previous near certainty of him winning is gone, that much is sure.

hm, id think people in the south wouldnt want to be at war with rockets raining down on them

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#18 themajormayor

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Gaza isn't really considered Holy

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#19 Darkman2007

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]but what about average Israelis? I dont think many of them would want a war, perhaps they applaud Netanyahu for ending the conflict (or at least allowing it to end)BossPerson

its not that people want a war, but they do want an end to the rockets, and most people see that a ceasefire like this is just like the previous ones, so it means nothing. people expected more from Netanyahu because he complained back in 2006 and 2009 that the government wasn't doing enough , in fact when elected he said he would "topple the Hamas" so after all his big talk, people are disappointed that he ended up with something even weaker than Olmert did its not like people want a war, but you know what I mean. the other problem for Netanyahu is that the Likud tradtionally gets more votes from the south, and they are the ones most angry at him for not doing enough, so he will lose alot there. Im not sure if he will lose, but the previous near certainty of him winning is gone, that much is sure.

hm, id think people in the south wouldnt want to be at war with rockets raining down on them

its because they know this ceasefire won't last, so its a "here we go again" feeling. also the deal with Hamas feels like they got more out of it, so there is that too. trust me when I say Bibi , at least right now, is suffering out of this. of course people have short memories, but who knows.

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Call the Covenant; glass the place.

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You're late, there's a cease fire.DeadlyRavenKing

Cease fire or not it's always war out there with or without guns or rockets.

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Not our responsibility to stop, we can tell them we want them to stop fighting but in the end it's up to them to actually work together to find a common ground they can live with in peace.

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#23 Lonelynight

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move all the population over europe and america, and than nuke the place.

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#24 LostProphetFLCL

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Bomb the **** out of both sides and voila! No more conflict...

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move all the population over europe and america, and than nuke the place.Lonelynight

Ow lovely solution

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Bomb the **** out of both sides and voila! No more conflict...
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Very humain

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#27 deactivated-598fc45371265

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12 rockets have hit Israel post-"truce". I'm not sure what you guys mean when you say it's already over.

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#28 LJS9502_basic Online

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Bomb the **** out of both sides and voila! No more conflict...
LostProphetFLCL

move all the population over europe and america, and than nuke the place.Lonelynight

And thus we see why things like this happen......

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#29 themajormayor

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Why bomb the greatest place in the world. Even if it looks bad in the news there are far FAR far FAR FAR worse places like uhm most of SSA, Non-ME Asia, SA and other places

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#30 chaplainDMK

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Because religion is awesome and it's telling many arabs that killing is fun and good and a great way to further their message.

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#31 mrbojangles25

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We don't. Let them figure it out. Hopefully they come to the realization that diplomacy is better than war and death.

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#32 LJS9502_basic Online

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Because religion is awesome and it's telling many arabs that killing is fun and good and a great way to further their message. chaplainDMK

This might shock you....hold on to your shorts....but it's about land.

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#33 chaplainDMK

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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]Because religion is awesome and it's telling many arabs that killing is fun and good and a great way to further their message. LJS9502_basic

This might shock you....hold on to your shorts....but it's about land.

This might shock you... but Hamas is a extremist Islamist organisation that doesent really like Israel or most anybody for that matter.

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Gaza isn't really considered Holythemajormayor

Shut up, I'm holier than you'd ever imagine.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]he is going to suffer election wise you mean? Im thinking the same thing; we would have preferred the chance to do a ground invasion and show his military strength in my opinion BossPerson

basically, he calls up tens of thousands of reservists, and enough firepower to more or less take Gaza, talks big, and then cuts a deal with them which makes them and Egypt look good, makes Israel look stupid, and makes Abu Mazen look even more powerless. I mean , just this morning, there were already sirens going off (apparently there was a rocket, but it landed in Gaza) www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310384,00.html should give you an idea of this. there are three scenarios now, either Bibi still wins, but with a smaller majority, or Labour wins, or the public could actually go futher right and vote for one of the more fringe party , which would be interesting in regards to who gets to be prime minster.

With regards to Abbas, the west has put him in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they are using him to fabricate the idea that a peace process is underway, to give the appearence of progress. Essentially, they want him to have just enough power to be able to claim that he represents the Palestinians and that he is forwarding the peace process, but they dont want him to have enough power to actually be able to do anything about it. IMO, the netanyahu government has made a big mistake isolating him since they are shifting Palestinian support away from Abbas and to other groups, in this case Hamas which has been further legitimized after this war. Netanyahu has de-legitimized Abbas to the point where he is losing credibility. But Israel shouldnt want this, im sure they'd rather have palestinians supporting Fatah instead of Hamas. And with regards to Egypt, they are probably the biggest winner of all here.

Basically, Israeli officials are playing the divide and conquer game.

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#36 Blueresident87

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There would be no sense to try and stop it. If people want to war themselves into oblivion, let them. World peace is a dream for a reason.

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There would be no sense to try and stop it. If people want to war themselves into oblivion, let them. World peace is a dream for a reason.
Blueresident87

That is really stupid, you make it sound as if people come up with wars for the lolz. I guess the U.S is having fun in Afghanistan yea?

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#38 mrbojangles25

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There would be no sense to try and stop it. If people want to war themselves into oblivion, let them. World peace is a dream for a reason.
Blueresident87

as long as cynics such as yourself run things, yes, it is :(

when are the optimists going to take control? Oh, yeah, we are too busy dreaming :(

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#39 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]
There would be no sense to try and stop it. If people want to war themselves into oblivion, let them. World peace is a dream for a reason.
mrbojangles25

as long as cynics such as yourself run things, yes, it is :(

when are the optimists going to take control? Oh, yeah, we are too busy dreaming :(

You can't take human nature out of humans......

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#40 mrbojangles25

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]
There would be no sense to try and stop it. If people want to war themselves into oblivion, let them. World peace is a dream for a reason.
LJS9502_basic

as long as cynics such as yourself run things, yes, it is :(

when are the optimists going to take control? Oh, yeah, we are too busy dreaming :(

You can't take human nature out of humans......

HUman nature is naturally good :P

Mob nature, when we are in a group, is bad :(

Like Tommy Lee Jones said in MiB: "A person is smart. People are dumb, ignorant, and prone to panic, and you know it" (paraphrased).

Are your daily encounters with people that bad as to condemn the entire human race to being bad?

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#41 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0

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I don't think anything is going to change until one side wins. At some point someone in Hamas is going to break the ceasefire and this is going to start all over again.

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#42 sexyweapons

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Not fueling it would help though the fighting will always exist in some form or another.

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There is no holy land. Just land.

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Make in unholy or sumpin.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] basically, he calls up tens of thousands of reservists, and enough firepower to more or less take Gaza, talks big, and then cuts a deal with them which makes them and Egypt look good, makes Israel look stupid, and makes Abu Mazen look even more powerless. I mean , just this morning, there were already sirens going off (apparently there was a rocket, but it landed in Gaza) www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310384,00.html should give you an idea of this. there are three scenarios now, either Bibi still wins, but with a smaller majority, or Labour wins, or the public could actually go futher right and vote for one of the more fringe party , which would be interesting in regards to who gets to be prime minster.

With regards to Abbas, the west has put him in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they are using him to fabricate the idea that a peace process is underway, to give the appearence of progress. Essentially, they want him to have just enough power to be able to claim that he represents the Palestinians and that he is forwarding the peace process, but they dont want him to have enough power to actually be able to do anything about it. IMO, the netanyahu government has made a big mistake isolating him since they are shifting Palestinian support away from Abbas and to other groups, in this case Hamas which has been further legitimized after this war. Netanyahu has de-legitimized Abbas to the point where he is losing credibility. But Israel shouldnt want this, im sure they'd rather have palestinians supporting Fatah instead of Hamas. And with regards to Egypt, they are probably the biggest winner of all here.

Basically, Israeli officials are playing the divide and conquer game.

not exactly the divide and conquer game, more so the: lets not let our puppet talk to much to annoy me, but just enough for people to think he's real.

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#47 LJS9502_basic Online

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This isn't going to stop until one side destroys the other.....

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One side has to obliterate the other.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]With regards to Abbas, the west has put him in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they are using him to fabricate the idea that a peace process is underway, to give the appearence of progress. Essentially, they want him to have just enough power to be able to claim that he represents the Palestinians and that he is forwarding the peace process, but they dont want him to have enough power to actually be able to do anything about it. IMO, the netanyahu government has made a big mistake isolating him since they are shifting Palestinian support away from Abbas and to other groups, in this case Hamas which has been further legitimized after this war. Netanyahu has de-legitimized Abbas to the point where he is losing credibility. But Israel shouldnt want this, im sure they'd rather have palestinians supporting Fatah instead of Hamas. And with regards to Egypt, they are probably the biggest winner of all here.

Basically, Israeli officials are playing the divide and conquer game.

not exactly the divide and conquer game, more so the: lets not let our puppet talk to much to annoy me, but just enough for people to think he's real.

I mean in regards to Fateh and Hamas.

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In my opinion, Israel played into Hamas's hands brilliantly, people think that Hamas are stupid, but realistically they know the political game better than Fateh or any other political party in the PLO. Take a bit of hits, the more civilian killed the more isolated Israel becomes. Natenyahu did the right thing not to invade, Hamas wouldn't have been destroyed, and Israel would have been Isolated by even France and Britain.

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