GLOBAL WARMING - Discussion

I have a question.
This is to those who think the current Global Warming situation is not man made.

I just don't get... how can people think that us being on earth, taking up all this space, killing so much of nature. All the pollution that didn't exist before man the million other things that didn't exist before us... how can that not affect the earth?

I mean common sense tells you that anytime you change a situation like add a tiger in the middle of field full of cows.. things change. Every little thing you do changes the planet. I mean animals, species...are dying off.

I mean in the previous cold ages sure they happend naturally over time but this global warming coming on is being sped up and caused by man kind.

So are you people who don't believe we are doing this saying that earth millions of years ago before we were here was exactly the same then as it is now and that us being here and all the fields of tries we took down, all the pollution, all the cell phones all the everything is doing absolutely 100% nothing to the enviroment? 

Anyway you look at it it was nature made.

Nature -> Man

Man -> Car

Car -> Co2

Nature is the direct root. 

the problem is there's absolutly no scientific evidence that global warming is man-made it's just simple correlation.  We have no evidence that we leave an impact on the whole earth or not.  I'm not saying global warming isn't man made, I'm just saying there's absolutly no evidence it is.

Let's say when ever I get up the sun rises, and when ever I get sleepy the sun sets.  Now according to your logic I make the sun rise and set, but we all know I don't have that power. 

Wait I don't think it's man made. It's a normal thing that happens before Ice Ages

I'm saying this Global Warming now is being fed and sped up by human factors and we're helping bring it on is the point. 

Global warming is the direct result of harmful human interection within the earth's natural cycle. Sure, Ice age's have happened before, but the time gap between them is HUGE. The human race is destroying this earth through the means of polloution and overharvesting, we have done this ourselves. We have disturbed the natural cycle, causing unatural occurances such as the rapid "defrosting" of the polar ice caps. Over the last 50 years the amount of ice has disolved at an extreemly unatural pace, and will soon cause the sea level to raise up to nine meters flooding highly populated area's of the earth. There is no kidding ourselves, we have done this ourselves.

Global warming is the direct result of harmful human interection within the earth's natural cycle. Sure, Ice age's have happened before, but the time gap between them is HUGE. The human race is destroying this earth through the means of polloution and overharvesting, we have done this ourselves. We have disturbed the natural cycle, causing unatural occurances such as the rapid "defrosting" of the polar ice caps. Over the last 50 years the amount of ice has disolved at an extreemly unatural pace, and will soon cause the sea level to raise up to nine meters flooding highly populated area's of the earth. There is no kidding ourselves, we have done this ourselves.

Cloud6900

Exactly.

Global Warming is natural and happens every I don't know hundreds of thousands of years but we're pushing this one way sooner then it should happen. I mean how can people think the stuff we have done to this planet has no direct result or influence to Global Warming

People seriously need to watch "An Inconvenient Truth" or even just one section if not the whole movie. The section where he talks about all the ice ages and how the carbon dioxide (if it's something else please correct me) in the air and the levels now are way higher then ever in the history of mankind and higher then they would have been before previous global warming.

And is it a coincidence that has technology over the past many decades have went nothing but up hill and faster and faster that the hottest years on earth happened to be in the last couple of decades and last decade or so even

Coincidental that you made this topic today, I just got down watching An Inconvenient Truth.white_sox

Shocking movie honestly, gave me a creepy feeling as to where we're heading and those who are hiding this and paying doctors off.

Kind of not obvious that those who stand to benefit from the most in terms of saying it's not man made and nothing to look into now, are rich fat cats and people in the oil industry and people who live off of the very things speeding global warming up 

[QUOTE="Cloud6900"]

Global warming is the direct result of harmful human interection within the earth's natural cycle. Sure, Ice age's have happened before, but the time gap between them is HUGE. The human race is destroying this earth through the means of polloution and overharvesting, we have done this ourselves. We have disturbed the natural cycle, causing unatural occurances such as the rapid "defrosting" of the polar ice caps. Over the last 50 years the amount of ice has disolved at an extreemly unatural pace, and will soon cause the sea level to raise up to nine meters flooding highly populated area's of the earth. There is no kidding ourselves, we have done this ourselves.

kcpp2b

Exactly.

Global Warming is natural and happens every I don't know hundreds of thousands of years but we're pushing this one way sooner then it should happen. I mean how can people think the stuff we have done to this planet has no direct result or influence to Global Warming

People seriously need to watch "An Inconvenient Truth" or even just one section if not the whole movie. The section where he talks about all the ice ages and how the carbon dioxide (if it's something else please correct me) in the air and the levels now are way higher then ever in the history of mankind and higher then they would have been before previous global warming.

And is it a coincidence that has technology over the past many decades have went nothing but up hill and faster and faster that the hottest years on earth happened to be in the last couple of decades and last decade or so even

Yes, the carbon dioxide levels have incresed dramatically due to the overharvesting rain forests and such to make way for housing and power stations. As you should all know, trees recycle the hazidous carbon dioxide into air, and with the numbers of trees and other plant life dropping at such a dramatic rate, the percentage of carbon dioxide continues to rise. The reason behind the upcoming ice age is due to the sudden rise in tempature due to all the previously mentioned factors, and currents are being disrupted due to the change in direction from the different areas of the ocean, both tropical and non-tropical currents collide creating the ice age. Or something along those lines, sorry it's very late over here and my memory of the subject is a little fuzzy!

The Earth has continuously gone through climate cycles throughout history, before and after humans were around.  The Earth once went through an ice age, did that ice not melt until everyone started using cell phones and driving cars?  If thats the case, I must have been in a coma for a while.  The Earth has also previously been extremely hot.  This global warming is nothing new, its just something for people to throw around as a big concern.  A recent study done by the UN proved that cows release more C02 into the atmosphere than cars do.  Should we kill all the cows to try and protect the Earth?  Are you going to blame it on the cows now?  Do cows use too much technology?Mumbles527

no cows release more methane which is a stronger green house gas per molecule than CO2. they don't release more CO2 than cars i can assure you, i have done those calculations. and i'd love to see this report...

go read the fourth IPCC online for those who don't believe global warming is man made. over 800 scientists are over 95% positive that global warming/climate change is happening and that is is man-made. that is an amazing percentage since good science always has uncertainties. 

Anyway you look at it it was nature made.

Nature -> Man

Man -> Car

Car -> Co2

Nature is the direct root.

PaintballinDude

I don't think it's just a Global Warming. I think it's more towards the "climate change" idea.

Days of months generally warm for most of my life have lately been experiencing cold cycles for weeks at a time. It was hot in December for a good while as well, yet it's generally been cold. Really cold.

As for it being man-made, I really think that we humans and our creations are a major player in this situation. We've done quite a bit to our planet over the past couple hundred years on continental scales. There are only 7, after all. We've industrialized North America a great deal, South somewhat, Asia's Russia has already gone through its phase and now China is starting its...Those are big areas of land and with that land is all of the water in it that we've contaminated with filtering chemicals. That stuff gets into the air, too.

If we can make a whole in the ozone the size of Antarctica in a century, imagine what can be done in two.

Yes, the only tactic that opponents seem to have is believing that so long as that 1% of scientists don't believe in global warming, it's perfeclty acceptable to ignore it. This like so many other things in socioty will continue until the overwhelming gravity of evidence eventually smacks them in the face, the evidence by itself is pretty easily to analyse even by those who have not had any training in a scientific field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming I simply do not understand how poeple can continue to ignore the evidence when it is simply so clear cut.

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In my opinion, Global Warming does not exist. And I will explain why, after foodz.

Feel free to quote this and counter-act my statement whilst I eat my chicken and watch Deal or No Deal.

In my opinion, Global Warming does not exist. And I will explain why, after foodz.

Feel free to quote this and counter-act my statement whilst I eat my chicken and watch Deal or No Deal.

Total-KO

im watching that :) 

the problem is there's absolutly no scientific evidence that global warming is man-made it's just simple correlation. We have no evidence that we leave an impact on the whole earth or not. I'm not saying global warming isn't man made, I'm just saying there's absolutly no evidence it is.

Let's say when ever I get up the sun rises, and when ever I get sleepy the sun sets. Now according to your logic I make the sun rise and set, but we all know I don't have that power.

jrhawk42

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

In my opinion, Global Warming does not exist. And I will explain why, after foodz.

Feel free to quote this and counter-act my statement whilst I eat my chicken and watch Deal or No Deal.

gamerchris810

im watching that :) 

Right. Now that I have finished my yumyums and treats, I will explain my opinion.

The reason why I feel that Global Warming is not existent from any human influence, is because we have only been measuring and monitoring our earth for at most, 150 years or so.

The earth however, has been around for 18 billion years. So how can we possibly assume that global warming is increasing from humans, when we have been only measuring it's state for an insignificant amount of time, so small enough that we cannot possibly understand the extremes of what human activity can really do to the earth.

In actuality, we can't. There is various evidence which suggests in fact, that all of this is just hype. There is also strong evidence that global warming is natural.

What actually happens to our earth is, that is heats and cool naturally. In fact, this is more so suggestive as in the 1970s, just like there is now, there was a global climate change hype. But in the 1970s it wasn't global warming, it was GLOBAL COOLING.

There was worry not of a global flood, but of a global ice age. But, this hype died down once it was clear that this wasn't a major effect on our planet.

You see, what really happens is our planet is like a heart. It expands and inclines not physically, but climate wise. And these changes happen at contrasting intervals and will continue to happen. The earth heats and cools. Funnily enough, this has been proved by science, where global warming still has yet to be confirmed as fact.

So why do people, moreover scientists, choose to believe what is in actuality, hype? I guess because it is what's hot at the moment.

Well, I did just show that global cooling was like that too! So why not global warming?

It has now become trendy, to be greener. And why not? As a consumer, you can save money on your energy bills, as businesses being more eco-friendly allows you to produce more and as a politician, well that can garner more votes.

There are probably a lot more points I can touch upon later but I think I got the jist of my point out. This is not my total point.

And on second reading, it sounds a little biased. But I guess that's what an opinion is. I'm well open to being disproved because I am as baffled as global warming as a lot of people are. Also, I feel that there a lot more economcial reasons behind this..

Humans only deal with issues if it becomes life-threatening to the species.

The day we deal with this, everyone will have to work together, no matter from what country. If they dont, bye bye ecosystem. 

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

In my opinion, Global Warming does not exist. And I will explain why, after foodz.

Feel free to quote this and counter-act my statement whilst I eat my chicken and watch Deal or No Deal.

Total-KO

im watching that :) 

Right. Now that I have finished my yumyums and treats, I will explain my opinion.

The reason why I feel that Global Warming is not existent from any human influence, is because we have only been measuring and monitoring our earth for at most, 150 years or so.

The earth however, has been around for 18 billion years. So how can we possibly assume that global warming is increasing from humans, when we have been only measuring it's state for an insignificant amount of time, so small enough that we cannot possibly understand the extremes of what human activity can really do to the earth.

In actuality, we can't. There is various evidence which suggests in fact, that all of this is just hype. There is also strong evidence that global warming is natural.

What actually happens to our earth is, that is heats and cool naturally. In fact, this is more so suggestive as in the 1970s, just like there is now, there was a global climate change hype. But in the 1970s it wasn't global warming, it was GLOBAL COOLING.

There was worry not of a global flood, but of a global ice age. But, this hype died down once it was clear that this wasn't a major effect on our planet.

You see, what really happens is our planet is like a heart. It expands and inclines not physically, but climate wise. And these changes happen at contrasting intervals and will continue to happen. The earth heats and cools. Funnily enough, this has been proved by science, where global warming still has yet to be confirmed as fact.

So why do people, moreover scientists, choose to believe what is in actuality, hype? I guess because it is what's hot at the moment.

Well, I did just show that global cooling was like that too! So why not global warming?

It has now become trendy, to be greener. And why not? As a consumer, you can save money on your energy bills, as businesses being more eco-friendly allows you to produce more and as a politician, well that can garner more votes.

There are probably a lot more points I can touch upon later but I think I got the jist of my point out. This is not my total point.

And on second reading, it sounds a little biased. But I guess that's what an opinion is. I'm well open to being disproved because I am as baffled as global warming as a lot of people are. Also, I feel that there a lot more economcial reasons behind this..

[QUOTE="jrhawk42"]

the problem is there's absolutly no scientific evidence that global warming is man-made it's just simple correlation. We have no evidence that we leave an impact on the whole earth or not. I'm not saying global warming isn't man made, I'm just saying there's absolutly no evidence it is.

Let's say when ever I get up the sun rises, and when ever I get sleepy the sun sets. Now according to your logic I make the sun rise and set, but we all know I don't have that power.

Darthmatt

Ok so here's where scientific evidence beats your opinion.

Co2 level have risen 31% since the industrial revolution. (according to this link)

We have dumped 2,000,000,000,000 kg of co2 into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution (estimated this might be low but you'll see that doesn't matter).

I'm estimating that there is 20,592,000,000,000,000 kg of carbon in the atmousphere (I don't have time to get a for sure estimate I'm pretty much taking .04 X the weight of the atmosphere).

Now to account for a 30% rise in CO2 we would have to of dumped 6,177,600,000,000,000 kg of co2 into the atmosphere while we've only dumped a mere 3% of that increase.

So where's that 27% coming from??

Edit: now I don't want to argue that Global Warming is or isn't man-made, but I want to start seeing some actual hard linking evidence support one or the other cause assuming it's man made, or assuming it's natural is just too dangerously stupid.

So in other words I don't want to here the argument "it's cause we pump co2 into the atmousphere", or "co2 levels have been this high before and we're okay" with out some actually evidence of what is directly responsible.

Interesting points raised herehttp://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/arguments.html

It is all politics. Scientist though the world was cooling 40 50 years ago. How do you think that they can tell you we are affecting the climate and cant tell you what the weather will be like for the next week. They were calling for a giant hurricane season last year and nothing happened. The earth goes through cycles and there is no way we can stop it from going through cycles. If anything is causing the world to heat up it would be the sun.flavort

[QUOTE="flavort"]It is all politics. Scientist though the world was cooling 40 50 years ago. How do you think that they can tell you we are affecting the climate and cant tell you what the weather will be like for the next week. They were calling for a giant hurricane season last year and nothing happened. The earth goes through cycles and there is no way we can stop it from going through cycles. If anything is causing the world to heat up it would be the sun.yoshi-lnex

how long do you think it will take before the scientist will figure out they are worng again.

Only people that used to be the next US president think that Global Warming is real:Pmetallica_fan42

for real

[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="gamerchris810"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

In my opinion, Global Warming does not exist. And I will explain why, after foodz.

Feel free to quote this and counter-act my statement whilst I eat my chicken and watch Deal or No Deal.

ShuLordLiuPei

im watching that :) 

Right. Now that I have finished my yumyums and treats, I will explain my opinion.

The reason why I feel that Global Warming is not existent from any human influence, is because we have only been measuring and monitoring our earth for at most, 150 years or so.

The earth however, has been around for 18 billion years. So how can we possibly assume that global warming is increasing from humans, when we have been only measuring it's state for an insignificant amount of time, so small enough that we cannot possibly understand the extremes of what human activity can really do to the earth.

In actuality, we can't. There is various evidence which suggests in fact, that all of this is just hype. There is also strong evidence that global warming is natural.

What actually happens to our earth is, that is heats and cool naturally. In fact, this is more so suggestive as in the 1970s, just like there is now, there was a global climate change hype. But in the 1970s it wasn't global warming, it was GLOBAL COOLING.

There was worry not of a global flood, but of a global ice age. But, this hype died down once it was clear that this wasn't a major effect on our planet.

You see, what really happens is our planet is like a heart. It expands and inclines not physically, but climate wise. And these changes happen at contrasting intervals and will continue to happen. The earth heats and cools. Funnily enough, this has been proved by science, where global warming still has yet to be confirmed as fact.

So why do people, moreover scientists, choose to believe what is in actuality, hype? I guess because it is what's hot at the moment.

Well, I did just show that global cooling was like that too! So why not global warming?

It has now become trendy, to be greener. And why not? As a consumer, you can save money on your energy bills, as businesses being more eco-friendly allows you to produce more and as a politician, well that can garner more votes.

There are probably a lot more points I can touch upon later but I think I got the jist of my point out. This is not my total point.

And on second reading, it sounds a little biased. But I guess that's what an opinion is. I'm well open to being disproved because I am as baffled as global warming as a lot of people are. Also, I feel that there a lot more economcial reasons behind this..

Oh snap, that's the universe. But that doesn't ruin my credibility. I got a date wrong. :|

It's a well known fact that global warming is caused by the communists.sonicare

AKA liberals

What pisses me off most about people dismissing global warming is that the whole controversy mirrors that of the smoking causing cancer contraversy. Studies that had shown a very clear relationship between between cancer and any number of other terrible diseases caused by smoking. However opponents were quick to dismiss these studies. Cigarette companies and related industries were all to quick to fund organizations that did not believe there was a relationship between smoking and cancer, which of course caused confusion within the public, just like today as oil and gas companies are doing the today, funding organizations to cause confusion on the subject, despite the clear cut evidence, and like that situation, 99% of scientists claimed that there was a clear cut relationship between the two, and yet opponents held on to the idea that so long as 1% of scientists believed that there was not a connection between cancer and smoking it was perfectly acceptable to believe so, ignoring the evidence and the more noteworthy scientists in the field.

These situations are identical, history is repeating itself, and yet people remain ignorant to this.

So this basically means that those who ignore global warming are metaphorically causing cancer within society, and by the time these people wake up to the overwhelming evidence behind global warming, it might be to late. 

[QUOTE="sonicare"]It's a well known fact that global warming is caused by the communists.flavort

AKA liberals

in reality conservatives have been rather slow.....in a mental sence, to actuall examine the evidence and recognize this threat, so conservatives are responsible for creating a very real danger....

[QUOTE="sonicare"]It's a well known fact that global warming is caused by the communists.flavort

AKA liberals

And McDonalds, too.  they're very crafty.

get real.

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=global+warming+swindle&search=Search

[QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]It's a well known fact that global warming is caused by the communists.yoshi-lnex

AKA liberals

in reality conservatives have been rather slow.....in a mental sence, to actuall examine the evidence and recognize this threat, so conservatives are responsible for creating a very real danger....

I was joking in my initial statement.  I thought it was obvious.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="flavort"]It is all politics. Scientist though the world was cooling 40 50 years ago. How do you think that they can tell you we are affecting the climate and cant tell you what the weather will be like for the next week. They were calling for a giant hurricane season last year and nothing happened. The earth goes through cycles and there is no way we can stop it from going through cycles. If anything is causing the world to heat up it would be the sun.flavort

how long do you think it will take before the scientist will figure out they are worng again.

The studies between temperature and co2 levels are clear cut, there isn't room for misinterperatation. 

[QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]It's a well known fact that global warming is caused by the communists.sonicare

AKA liberals

And McDonalds, too.  they're very crafty.

What pisses me off most about people dismissing global warming is that the whole controversy mirrors that of the smoking causing cancer contraversy. Studies that had shown a very clear relationship between between cancer and any number of other terrible diseases caused by smoking. However opponents were quick to dismiss these studies. Cigarette companies and related industries were all to quick to fund organizations that did not believe there was a relationship between smoking and cancer, which of course caused confusion within the public, just like today as oil and gas companies are doing the today, funding organizations to cause confusion on the subject, despite the clear cut evidence, and like that situation, 99% of scientists claimed that there was a clear cut relationship between the two, and yet opponents held on to the idea that so long as 1% of scientists believed that there was not a connection between cancer and smoking it was perfectly acceptable to believe so, ignoring the evidence and the more noteworthy scientists in the field.

These situations are identical, history is repeating itself, and yet people remain ignorant to this.

So this basically means that those who ignore global warming are metaphorically causing cancer within society, and by the time these people wake up to the overwhelming evidence behind global warming, it might be to late. 

yoshi-lnex

This has absolutely no connection to smoking causing cancer. It has been proven that smoking causes lung cancer, whereas the effects of human activity causing global warming have still yet to be confirmed.

The real question you need to ask yourself is do you believe truly that global warming is caused by human activity from the evidence you can gather, or is it simply because it was what all of the global warming hype has told you?

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]It's a well known fact that global warming is caused by the communists.metallica_fan42

AKA liberals

And McDonalds, too.  they're very crafty.

Remember, El Nino?  No such thing.  It was engineered by McDonald's to get back at the populace for not supporting the McRib sandwich. 

get real.

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=global+warming+swindle&search=Search

flavort