God cannot be proven or disproven

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#1 PoisonBagels
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The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.
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#2 moomooplopmoo
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I'm an Agnostic. So.....I must be really clever :D YEAH! Everyone was wrong.
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#3 kruegersc4
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Good Philosophy.
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Oh boy here we go again. :lol:  Let me go ahead and start handing these out now.
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#5 Marx_Brother
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The reason why I don't believe in god, is because of the lack of evidence to prove that he does exist. Atheism is more logical, otherwise you might aswell go around believing in the Sugar Plum Fairy.

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ok...I don't care
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#7 SolidSnake35
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I can't say I know what agnosticism is...
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#8 comp_atkins
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sure, why not
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#9 LJS9502_basic
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How about we all let people believe what they want to believe. It is the mature choice.....
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The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.PoisonBagels
No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.
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#12 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.Marx_Brother

No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

Shut up.

Great repartee..... :roll:
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#13 Marx_Brother
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.LJS9502_basic

No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

Shut up.

Great repartee..... :roll:

Thanks.

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I wish religion threads would just go away. Make it stop...
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#15 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.Marx_Brother

No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

Shut up.

Great repartee..... :roll:

Thanks.


I don't think he was complementing you...:|
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I wish religion threads would just go away. Make it stop...randy_123r

I wish religion itself would go away.

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#17 PoisonBagels
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.tycoonmike
No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

its fine to let people believe what they want. that doesn't make their beliefs any more logical. I could make up a God and a backstory for it and it would have just as much proof as any other faith-based religion.
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#18 Marx_Brother
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.tycoonmike

No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

Shut up.

Great repartee..... :roll:

Thanks.


I don't think he was complementing you...:|

In my head he was, and you can't take that away from me.

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How about we all let people believe what they want to believe. It is the mature choice.....LJS9502_basic
That's what I do. I don't believe in anything supernatural, but, I really don't care if others do.
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.PoisonBagels
No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

its fine to let people believe what they want. that doesn't make their beliefs any more logical. I could make up a God and a backstory for it and it would have just as much proof as any other faith-based religion.

What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.PoisonBagels
No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

its fine to let people believe what they want. that doesn't make their beliefs any more logical. I could make up a God and a backstory for it and it would have just as much proof as any other faith-based religion.

Thats not entirely true... but honestly religious threads maade me emo. Yeah. Theyre that bad.

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.PoisonBagels
No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

its fine to let people believe what they want. that doesn't make their beliefs any more logical. I could make up a God and a backstory for it and it would have just as much proof as any other faith-based religion.

And that would be your opinion, and since all religious beliefs are truly opinions, I would respect that, so long as you, personally, didn't go out and kill in the name of your supreme being(s).

Faith is illogical, simple as that. Even agnosticism is illogical since it doesn't rely on hard physical evidence to support its claim of a supreme being. But lack of proof doesn't keep me from believing in Christianity, nor does it keep any theist away from believing in their religion.
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#23 PoisonBagels
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.
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#24 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

Science does not have all the answers.......
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I can be proven. :)
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#26 moomooplopmoo
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I can be proven. :)guthwulf_de
I still don't believe in you. :|
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

And what if it's that "something to fall back on" that turns out to be real? Our scientific "facts" are merely educated guesswork. For all we know, what we know as gravity doesn't exist. For all we know evolution is bunk. All that which we know can be destroyed in one single nanosecond of discovery, and that is the thought that truly terrifies me.
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[QUOTE="rudyroundhead"]Oh boy here we go again. :lol:  Let me go ahead and start handing these out now.

lol, funny and true :lol:
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?LJS9502_basic
If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

Science does not have all the answers.......

Neither does believing in an ancient text book. Are you atheist?

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The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.PoisonBagels
Wrong. The only logical choice is to believe in your own personal choice. Anything else is considered forced on a person. Thanks for playing. See you next time on Whose Religion is Better?
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"] The only logical choice is Agnosticism. Discuss.SolidSnake35
No, the only logical choice, like LJS said, is to let people believe what they wish to believe, but only so long as they don't harm other people in the process, be it physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, or spiritually.

its fine to let people believe what they want. that doesn't make their beliefs any more logical. I could make up a God and a backstory for it and it would have just as much proof as any other faith-based religion.

What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

I agree, I'm an Atheist. But, it can make people that much more happier with religion. It really doesn't matter.. As long as you enjoy something without harming yourself or others.
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#32 PoisonBagels
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

Science does not have all the answers.......

Going by this, everything else is left up in the air. Why assume something baseless rather than just accept that it is impossible at this point to know.
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

Science does not have all the answers.......

Going by this, everything else is left up in the air. Why assume something baseless rather than just accept that it is impossible at this point to know.

There is no proof one way or the other. Why does it bother you what someone chooses to believe. If I want to believe the moon is a giant golf ball floating in space.....does that hurt you?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

Science does not have all the answers.......

Going by this, everything else is left up in the air. Why assume something baseless rather than just accept that it is impossible at this point to know.

There is no proof one way or the other. Why does it bother you what someone chooses to believe. If I want to believe the moon is a giant golf ball floating in space.....does that hurt you?

No, it hurts humanity as a whole.
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I knew I shouldn't have come in here, now my head hurts:( These topics are made by people who want successful threads, not because they have any interest in what people have to say. I don't believe in any religion, I do believe in a higher power, but not any certain faith, to me, IMO it's all a load of b.s. and full of hypocrits. But if someone chooses to follow a certain "path" then great for them, that's thier right, you shouldn't press your views on others:| Shame on you TC :shock:
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How about the fact that people in hospitals that are prayed for heal faster and are generally in better spirits. Oddly enough, they heal faster even if they don't know people are praying for them. Also, I'm not a religious person, I just find this interesting.
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

Science does not have all the answers.......

Going by this, everything else is left up in the air. Why assume something baseless rather than just accept that it is impossible at this point to know.

There is no proof one way or the other. Why does it bother you what someone chooses to believe. If I want to believe the moon is a giant golf ball floating in space.....does that hurt you?

No, it hurts humanity as a whole.


I didn't know that the voice of one man, one common man, for that matter, in a world of seven billion people, made a difference. It's too bad that it doesn't, since if my voice made one damn to all the people on earth, we wouldn't be living in ecological squalor, or in economic unfairness.
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] What's wrong with finding comfort in something? Does it really matter if it's logical?

If you care about furthering human understanding of the universe and everything in general, yes it matters. Why? Because the comfort felt is something to fall back on that you have been told is correct, rather than something concrete and real.

Okay, like you, I apply a less superstitious understanding of life, but why does it matter if others do? It will not bring world piece. "I'm logical, we now live in harmony". I would rather to live in a world with happiness and a little illogicalness, rather than a world with logic and lack of piece, sure, we could have both, but does it really matter? Society is moving foward still, we can still have new ideals and technology, regardless of religion, nobody has to believe in it if they don't want to. There will always be religion. Fighting religion is like trying to get rid of people who believe in ghosts, it's no big deal, if you want to understand the universe better, go ahead, I too want to have a more realistic understanding, in which I do(In my opinion at least), I don't have to make everyone feel that way. I couldn't care less if someone thought we were all robots sent from mars.
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#39 PoisonBagels
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How about the fact that people in hospitals that are prayed for heal faster and are generally in better spirits. Oddly enough, they heal faster even if they don't know people are praying for them. Also, I'm not a religious person, I just find this interesting. MahlerFreak
That isn't true. I've read reports of the exact opposite, want me to dig them up?
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#40 LJS9502_basic
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No, it hurts humanity as a whole.PoisonBagels

No....it does not.  Maybe I think if your favorite color is orange that hurts humanity as a whole.  Or the fact that you prefer blondes hurts humanity.  Or the fact that you drive an import.  Rather silly isn't it?

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If god is fake then it makes a lot of sense. If god is something completely different that we don't under stand it kinda makes sense. If god is real as in the bibles version he is an uncareing jerk. That's how I see it.
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[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"]No, it hurts humanity as a whole.LJS9502_basic

No....it does not. Maybe I think if your favorite color is orange that hurts humanity as a whole. Or the fact that you prefer blondes hurts humanity. Or the fact that you drive an import. Rather silly isn't it?

Think about this. If everyones favorite color was orange, the world would not change, it would be in a similar state, maybe more things would be orange, I dont know. If everyone was Christian, what need would there be to understand the world around us, when all of the answers are in a single book? Hello dark ages.
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#43 Wemhim256
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"]No, it hurts humanity as a whole.PoisonBagels

No....it does not. Maybe I think if your favorite color is orange that hurts humanity as a whole. Or the fact that you prefer blondes hurts humanity. Or the fact that you drive an import. Rather silly isn't it?

Think about this. If everyones favorite color was orange, the world would not change, it would be in a similar state, maybe more things would be orange, I dont know. If everyone was Christian, what need would there be to understand the world around us, when all of the answers are in a single book? Hello dark ages.

But everyone isn't Christian...... I'm an Atheist, I don't see myself getting burnt on a stake or hanged anytime soon.
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#44 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"]No, it hurts humanity as a whole.PoisonBagels

No....it does not. Maybe I think if your favorite color is orange that hurts humanity as a whole. Or the fact that you prefer blondes hurts humanity. Or the fact that you drive an import. Rather silly isn't it?

Think about this. If everyones favorite color was orange, the world would not change, it would be in a similar state, maybe more things would be orange, I dont know. If everyone was Christian, what need would there be to understand the world around us, when all of the answers are in a single book? Hello dark ages.

Do you understand the book?  It's a message on how to treat others....

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#45 moomooplopmoo
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What are you talking about? SolidSnake_108 is God. Everyone knows that. :roll:
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#46 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="moomooplopmoo"]What are you talking about? SolidSnake_108 is God. Everyone knows that. :roll:

He's been replaced.........
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="PoisonBagels"]No, it hurts humanity as a whole.PoisonBagels

No....it does not. Maybe I think if your favorite color is orange that hurts humanity as a whole. Or the fact that you prefer blondes hurts humanity. Or the fact that you drive an import. Rather silly isn't it?

Think about this. If everyones favorite color was orange, the world would not change, it would be in a similar state, maybe more things would be orange, I dont know. If everyone was Christian, what need would there be to understand the world around us, when all of the answers are in a single book? Hello dark ages.


The dark ages was the result of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, a secular government, I believe (though their state religion was Christianity). Religion actually brought Western Europe back from the brink of chaos. It was only when the Church decided it wanted to be more secular that the religious reformations and the scientific revolutions came about. So, from my point of view, religion actually helped the world out.
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#48 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="moomooplopmoo"]What are you talking about? SolidSnake_108 is God. Everyone knows that. :roll:

I never see him when you're around. >.>
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#49 moomooplopmoo
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="moomooplopmoo"]What are you talking about? SolidSnake_108 is God. Everyone knows that. :roll:

He's been replaced.........

:evil: What? Nobody can replace SolidSnake_108!!!!!!!
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#50 moomooplopmoo
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="moomooplopmoo"]What are you talking about? SolidSnake_108 is God. Everyone knows that. :roll:

I never see him when you're around. >.>

Are you implying something?