Some people got together, took down a bunch of hispanic people's names, and sent them to the government so they could deport them.
Darkainious
............Uhh these people had social security numbers and the works.. If anythign they were hispanic American citizens that a bunch of biggots want removed.
Some people got together, took down a bunch of hispanic people's names, and sent them to the government so they could deport them.
sSubZerOo
............Uhh these people had social security numbers and the works.. If anythign they were hispanic American citizens that a bunch of biggots want removed.
Exactly. How the heck can an illegal immigrant pay into social security and have an SSN? :P
Some people got together, took down a bunch of hispanic people's names, and sent them to the government so they could deport them.
Ninja-Hippo
............Uhh these people had social security numbers and the works.. If anythign they were hispanic American citizens that a bunch of biggots want removed.
Exactly. How the heck can an illegal immigrant pay into social security and have an SSN? :PIt's not unknown....
Some people got together, took down a bunch of hispanic people's names, and sent them to the government so they could deport them.
Ninja-Hippo
............Uhh these people had social security numbers and the works.. If anythign they were hispanic American citizens that a bunch of biggots want removed.
Exactly. How the heck can an illegal immigrant pay into social security and have an SSN? :P
I am not surprised.. I honestly think some of the illegal immigrant hatred is racially motivated.. Now this isn't suggesting that every one who thinks its a important issue or want them all deported are racist.. Just saying.
Even though the list is fake, it is concerning. So we are even allowed to report people that are breaking the law anymore? Thats just sad.
Edit: Just clearing up my idea so I don't appear as a racist or whatever. If it was a list of drug runners or what have you, the police would be hitting the locations left and right. But since its a list of "illegal immigrants" it can just pass without even the slightest investigation? I'm not saying this is legit or not, I'm just saying that maybe they should look into it a little bit.
Unless their SSNs are forged, you cannot pay into social security and have a unique social security number and at the same time be an illegal immigrant.
Some people got together, took down a bunch of hispanic people's names, and sent them to the government so they could deport them.
sSubZerOo
............Uhh these people had social security numbers and the works.. If anythign they were hispanic American citizens that a bunch of biggots want removed.
Nah, there are plenty of illegals with SSN's. How? I have no freaking idea...
Some people got together, took down a bunch of hispanic people's names, and sent them to the government so they could deport them.
Ninja-Hippo
............Uhh these people had social security numbers and the works.. If anythign they were hispanic American citizens that a bunch of biggots want removed.
Exactly. How the heck can an illegal immigrant pay into social security and have an SSN? :P they can get fake #'s most businesses don't care to actually check that a # is legit ( or have the ability to do so ) so for employment purposes as long as they have a # the employers do not care
Even though the list is fake, it is concerning. So we are even allowed to report people that are breaking the law anymore? Thats just sad.
Theokhoth
Giving away people's entire identity information via a piece of paper is kinda, you know, not good. And I agree, its not. The person that did this should be locked up. But they have some evidence that might deport some illegals, why not atleast look into it?
Even though the list is fake, it is concerning. So we are even allowed to report people that are breaking the law anymore? Thats just sad.
Grodus5
Giving away people's entire identity information via a piece of paper is kinda, you know, not good. And I agree, its not. The person that did this should be locked up. But they have some evidence that might deport some illegals, why not atleast look into it?Yeah...both crimes should be looked into.
Even though the list is fake, it is concerning. So we are even allowed to report people that are breaking the law anymore? Thats just sad.
Edit: Just clearing up my idea so I don't appear as a racist or whatever. If it was a list of drug runners or what have you, the police would be hitting the locations left and right. But since its a list of "illegal immigrants" it can just pass without even the slightest investigation? I'm not saying this is legit or not, I'm just saying that maybe they should look into it a little bit.
Grodus5
1) It wasn't just passed to police. It was sent to the police, the media and generally circulated around peoples homes all over Utah. 2) The people on the list *aren't* illegal immigrants, they're just hispanic. Take your analogy about a list of drug dealers; how would you feel if it gave the names and addresses of all those people and spread that information right across the state, and they actually weren't drug runners but perfectly normal, decent people?
Even though the list is fake, it is concerning. So we are even allowed to report people that are breaking the law anymore? Thats just sad.
Edit: Just clearing up my idea so I don't appear as a racist or whatever. If it was a list of drug runners or what have you, the police would be hitting the locations left and right. But since its a list of "illegal immigrants" it can just pass without even the slightest investigation? I'm not saying this is legit or not, I'm just saying that maybe they should look into it a little bit.
Ninja-Hippo
1) It wasn't just passed to police. It was sent to the police, the media and generally circulated around peoples homes all over Utah. 2) The people on the list *aren't* illegal immigrants, they're just hispanic. Take your analogy about a list of drug dealers; how would you feel if it gave the names and addresses of all those people and spread that information right across the state, and they actually weren't drug runners but perfectly normal, decent people? But what if they all happened to be growing marijuana plants? You can be pretty safe to say that a Hispanic person who doesn't speak English is illegal, and that is the cold hard truth.
Even though the list is fake, it is concerning. So we are even allowed to report people that are breaking the law anymore? Thats just sad.
Edit: Just clearing up my idea so I don't appear as a racist or whatever. If it was a list of drug runners or what have you, the police would be hitting the locations left and right. But since its a list of "illegal immigrants" it can just pass without even the slightest investigation? I'm not saying this is legit or not, I'm just saying that maybe they should look into it a little bit.
Ninja-Hippo
1) It wasn't just passed to police. It was sent to the police, the media and generally circulated around peoples homes all over Utah. 2) The people on the list *aren't* illegal immigrants, they're just hispanic. Take your analogy about a list of drug dealers; how would you feel if it gave the names and addresses of all those people and spread that information right across the state, and they actually weren't drug runners but perfectly normal, decent people? You are right, I correct my intial idea, however, I still believe that both crimes should be investigated. Case closed.
You have to love how the people who made the list even admit that they're basing these accusations from 'observing these people in our neighbourhoods.' That's right, they *look* like illegal immigrants, apparently.
[QUOTE="Grodus5"]You are right, I correct my intial idea, however, I still believe that both crimes should be investigated. Case closed.Ninja-Hippo
What second crime are you referring to? Being an illegal immigrant. Contrary to popular belief, that's a crime. Now I know that that they probably AREN'T illegals, but back to the drug analogy. If someone tipped off cop someone was a drug dealer, don't you think the cops should investigate just a little? If they are legal, then they should have nothing to fear.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]You are right, I correct my intial idea, however, I still believe that both crimes should be investigated. Case closed.Grodus5
What second crime are you referring to? Being an illegal immigrant. Contrary to popular belief, that's a crime. Now I know that that they probably AREN'T illegals, but back to the drug analogy. If someone tipped off cop someone was a drug dealer, don't you think the cops should investigate just a little? If they are legal, then they should have nothing to fear. That happens all the time....and sometimes innocent people get investigated.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]You are right, I correct my intial idea, however, I still believe that both crimes should be investigated. Case closed.Grodus5
What second crime are you referring to? Being an illegal immigrant. Contrary to popular belief, that's a crime. Now I know that that they probably AREN'T illegals, but back to the drug analogy. If someone tipped off cop someone was a drug dealer, don't you think the cops should investigate just a little? If they are legal, then they should have nothing to fear. That's a terrible precedent though. How would you like it if you got put under investigation and you'd done nothing wrong? Like the story says, the list has terrorized many hispanic families. Besides, they're not illegal aliens anyway. The article says they have social security numbers. The impression i got is that a bigoted group of people simply rounded up the names, addresses and personal information of any hispanic people they knew, then demanded they be deported. Heck, there are babies on the list.
That's a terrible precedent though. How would you like it if you got put under investigation and you'd done nothing wrong? Like the story says, the list has terrorized many hispanic families. Besides, they're not illegal aliens anyway. The article says they have social security numbers. The impression i got is that a bigoted group of people simply rounded up the names, addresses and personal information of any hispanic people they knew, then demanded they be deported. Heck, there are babies on the list. Ninja-Hippo
That's actually an accurate analogy. I, in fact, knew someone who wasn't a dealer buth his buddy got mad and tipped off the cops that he was. They investigated him and searched his house.
Second...contrary to popular opinion...illegal immigrants ARE capable of getting fake SSN.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] That's a terrible precedent though. How would you like it if you got put under investigation and you'd done nothing wrong? Like the story says, the list has terrorized many hispanic families. Besides, they're not illegal aliens anyway. The article says they have social security numbers. The impression i got is that a bigoted group of people simply rounded up the names, addresses and personal information of any hispanic people they knew, then demanded they be deported. Heck, there are babies on the list. LJS9502_basic
That's actually an accurate analogy. I, in fact, knew someone who wasn't a dealer buth his buddy got mad and tipped off the cops that he was. They investigated him and searched his house.
Second...contrary to popular opinion...illegal immigrants ARE capable of getting fake SSN.
That's not comparable to having people falsely investigated on a wide scale because of the way they look. Like i said, forgery can obviously take place, but if this information was obtained from government records as the police believe i can't see how that could be fake. Unless illegal immigrants are hacking into government files. :P
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] That's a terrible precedent though. How would you like it if you got put under investigation and you'd done nothing wrong? Like the story says, the list has terrorized many hispanic families. Besides, they're not illegal aliens anyway. The article says they have social security numbers. The impression i got is that a bigoted group of people simply rounded up the names, addresses and personal information of any hispanic people they knew, then demanded they be deported. Heck, there are babies on the list. Ninja-Hippo
That's actually an accurate analogy. I, in fact, knew someone who wasn't a dealer buth his buddy got mad and tipped off the cops that he was. They investigated him and searched his house.
Second...contrary to popular opinion...illegal immigrants ARE capable of getting fake SSN.
That's not comparable to having people falsely investigated on a wide scale because of the way they look. Like i said, forgery can obviously take place, but if this information was obtained from government records as the police believe i can't see how that could be fake. Unless illegal immigrants are hacking into government files. :P Well then they could just check the records for the SS numbers and if they are on record, problem solved. If they aren't, go investigate. Simple as that really.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] That's a terrible precedent though. How would you like it if you got put under investigation and you'd done nothing wrong? Like the story says, the list has terrorized many hispanic families. Besides, they're not illegal aliens anyway. The article says they have social security numbers. The impression i got is that a bigoted group of people simply rounded up the names, addresses and personal information of any hispanic people they knew, then demanded they be deported. Heck, there are babies on the list. Ninja-Hippo
That's actually an accurate analogy. I, in fact, knew someone who wasn't a dealer buth his buddy got mad and tipped off the cops that he was. They investigated him and searched his house.
Second...contrary to popular opinion...illegal immigrants ARE capable of getting fake SSN.
That's not comparable to having people falsely investigated on a wide scale because of the way they look. Like i said, forgery can obviously take place, but if this information was obtained from government records as the police believe i can't see how that could be fake. Unless illegal immigrants are hacking into government files. :PSo it's only a bad thing is SOME people are falsely accused but not everyone? Or is just specific races that more apt to garner your sympathy?
SSN numbers....are goverment issue. An employer would have all the information and it would go to the government. I don't see how that means they can't...not saying they are.....be fake.
[QUOTE="Grodus5"] Well then they could just check the records for the SS numbers and if they are on record, problem solved. If they aren't, go investigate. Simple as that really. Who's to say they wouldn't do this? Seems like common sense, really.
So it's only a bad thing is SOME people are falsely accused but not everyone? Or is just specific races that more apt to garner your sympathy?
SSN numbers....are goverment issue. An employer would have all the information and it would go to the government. I don't see how that means they can't...not saying they are.....be fake.
LJS9502_basic
It's a bad thing to investigate families, women and children because some bigoted group put them on a list and demanded they be deported based on *nothing* other than the way they look. I'm not a fan of racial profiling. Ever read 1984? "Be a patriot! Be an informant!" Like i said before, you can fake an SSN to fool an employer but the SSN's on file helf by the *government* aren't going to be fraudulent, are they?
So it's only a bad thing is SOME people are falsely accused but not everyone? Or is just specific races that more apt to garner your sympathy?
SSN numbers....are goverment issue. An employer would have all the information and it would go to the government. I don't see how that means they can't...not saying they are.....be fake.
Ninja-Hippo
It's a bad thing to investigate families, women and children because some bigoted group put them on a list and demanded they be deported based on *nothing* other than the way they look. I'm not a fan of racial profiling. Ever read 1984? "Be a patriot! Be an informant!" Like i said before, you can fake an SSN to fool an employer but the SSN's on file helf by the *government* aren't going to be fraudulent, are they? I gave you a case based on nothing.....it's the same thing. Uh no. The cards DO go through but the funds are put in a suspense file...nothing more..or the employer would find out rather fast that he had an illegal immigrant working for him.
So it's only a bad thing is SOME people are falsely accused but not everyone? Or is just specific races that more apt to garner your sympathy?
SSN numbers....are goverment issue. An employer would have all the information and it would go to the government. I don't see how that means they can't...not saying they are.....be fake.
LJS9502_basic
It's a bad thing to investigate families, women and children because some bigoted group put them on a list and demanded they be deported based on *nothing* other than the way they look. I'm not a fan of racial profiling. Ever read 1984? "Be a patriot! Be an informant!" Like i said before, you can fake an SSN to fool an employer but the SSN's on file helf by the *government* aren't going to be fraudulent, are they? I gave you a case based on nothing.....it's the same thing. Uh no. The cards DO go through but the funds are put in a suspense file...nothing more..or the employer would find out rather fast that he had an illegal immigrant working for him. I know you gave me a case based on nothing. I think that sort of behavior is wrong, especially on a large scale and even worse when racially motivated. That's not the right thing to do. I don't think these people all have fake SSNs. Highly unlikely.
I know you gave me a case based on nothing. I think that sort of behavior is wrong, especially on a large scale and even worse when racially motivated. That's not the right thing to do. I don't think these people all have fake SSNs. Highly unlikely. Ninja-Hippo
See I think it's wrong if you know for a fact the person is innocent......whether it's one person or more than one. However, as yet we don't know if these people are innocent as there has been no investigation. It is worrisome that government files can be hacked though.
As for all.....there are quite a lot of illegal immigrants so it's possible whoever did this either A...had hard evidence and turned it in...or B....just picked names and sent them in. But we can't say with any authority until an investigation is done if they are illegal or not.
Some people got together, took down a bunch of hispanic people's names, and sent them to the government so they could deport them.
SubGum
............Uhh these people had social security numbers and the works.. If anythign they were hispanic American citizens that a bunch of biggots want removed.
Nah, there are plenty of illegals with SSN's. How? I have no freaking idea...
i dunno if its been said yet, but... i will say it now! ... Black Market. ..... yanno... Identity theft? Yea. That lil problem there...
I dont know exactly what to say about this. If its true they are illegal (which... COULD happen. Really it could.) then I have no problem with it and they are here illegally, breakin the law, and should be handled. If it is false (which is the probability here) then whoever sent the list should be tracked down and prosecuted. Thats just not right.
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