Gunman kills 5 then himself

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/lake-havasu-city-police-say-gunman-kills-5-then-self/19612613

Located in arizona a raged gunman had killed 5 civilians and then himself, including the mother of his two children and her bf before heading to Southern cali.

what's this? killing for your honor or something? :| i thought it only happens in my country

That's sad for the little kids.

I find that very sad.

Also, does anyone else seem notice there seem to be a ALOT of crime stories coming out of Arizona lately, the few I've read throughWERE NOT immigrant related...

I hate seeing stories like this. If you're going to commit suicide just take yourself out and leave the rest of the world alone.LordOfThePotato

Yeah, but he wanted to make sure the people who made his life so miserable didn't get to enjoy theirs.

Besides it sounds more like a rage that ended it in suicide because eventually he realized there was no escape norturning back. Probably didn't want anyone to get any satisfaction from his incarceration or executionso he killed himself.

No woman is worth killing for. They're always the cause of it. Maybe they deserved it. They're all dead so I guess the problem was taken care of.

Maybe they deserved it. They're all dead so I guess the problem was taken care of.

MagnumPI

What problem?

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Maybe they deserved it. They're all dead so I guess the problem was taken care of.

bloodling

What problem?

Who's Problem? Their problem. If you would like to go further into detail...Problematic people come with the potential to cause more problems due to their dysfunction. So nobody needs to explain why their removal potentiallytakes care ofmore problems.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Maybe they deserved it. They're all dead so I guess the problem was taken care of.

MagnumPI

What problem?

Who's Problem? Their problem. If you would like to go further into detail...Problematic people come with the potential to cause more problems due to their dysfunction. So nobody needs to explain why their removal potentiallytakes care ofmore problems.

I really don't understand you. These people didn't deserve to die...

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

What problem?

bloodling

Who's Problem? Their problem. If you would like to go further into detail...Problematic people come with the potential to cause more problems due to their dysfunction. So nobody needs to explain why their removal potentiallytakes care ofmore problems.

I really don't understand you. These people didn't deserve to die...

I Posted MAYBE, as in a possibility. But it really doesn't matter now, does it?

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Who's Problem? Their problem. If you would like to go further into detail...Problematic people come with the potential to cause more problems due to their dysfunction. So nobody needs to explain why their removal potentiallytakes care ofmore problems.

MagnumPI

I really don't understand you. These people didn't deserve to die...

I Posted MAYBE, as in a possibility. But it really doesn't matter now, does it?

No it doesn't, but what you said is completely untrue. How could they possibly deserve to die?

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

I really don't understand you. These people didn't deserve to die...

bloodling

I Posted MAYBE, as in a possibility. But it really doesn't matter now, does it?

No it doesn't, but what you said is completely untrue. How could they possibly deserve to die?

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

I Posted MAYBE, as in a possibility. But it really doesn't matter now, does it?

MagnumPI

No it doesn't, but what you said is completely untrue. How could they possibly deserve to die?

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

Nobody deserves to die for anything you mentionned... He killed 5 people, even if any of these people did some bad things that doesn't make them the cause of their own death... The only one responsible for their death is their killer, and whatever these people did to him, there is no way they could possibly deserve to die for that.

A good old fashioned killing spree. Maybe if his baby mama had a gun this wouldn't have happened. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. wstfld

Maybe if he didn't have a gun it wouldn't have been so easy to go on a killing spree

I never understood the point of a rampage before killing ones self.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

No it doesn't, but what you said is completely untrue. How could they possibly deserve to die?

bloodling

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

Nobody deserves to die for anything you mentioned... He killed 5 people, even if any of these people did some bad things that doesn't make them the cause of their own death... The only one responsible for their death is their killer, and whatever these people did to him, there is no way they could possibly deserve to die for that.

That's the thing about maybe. Maybe they did OR maybe they didn't. Itsits between definiteand non-existent. All you got was a little piece of a scenario that doesn't elaborate or define anything.

Maybe you think it's not deserved because maybe you think using people and treating them like garbage is okay. Maybethe idea of being harmed or killed for disrespecting others frightens you. It'sfree when you're a kid but comes with a price when you're an adult. Every now and again society needs examples to remind them of the cost. Maybe it's just part ofnatural order.

But maybe he was just crazy and over-reacted and it was deserved. So why argue over maybe? It's allhypothetical.

I never understood the point of a rampage before killing ones self.

Pirate700

Take everyone down with you while you go!

I find that very sad.

Also, does anyone else seem notice there seem to be a ALOT of crime stories coming out of Arizona lately, the few I've read throughWERE NOT immigrant related...

Ultimas_Blade

With that last name I'd be willing to bet his parents were immigrants. Could be wrong though.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

MagnumPI

Nobody deserves to die for anything you mentioned... He killed 5 people, even if any of these people did some bad things that doesn't make them the cause of their own death... The only one responsible for their death is their killer, and whatever these people did to him, there is no way they could possibly deserve to die for that.

That's the thing about maybe. Maybe they did OR maybe they didn't. Itsits between definiteand non-existent. All you got was a little piece of a scenario that doesn't elaborate or define anything.

Maybe you think it's not deserved because maybe you think using people and treating them like garbage is okay. Maybethe idea of being harmed or killed for disrespecting others frightens you. It'sfree when you're a kid but comes with a price when you're an adult. Every now and again society needs examples to remind them of the cost. Maybe it's just part ofnatural order.

But maybe he was just crazy and over-reacted and it was deserved. So why argue over maybe? It's allhypothetical.

That is still not true at all. If you do something bad and something bad happens, that doesn't necessarily mean that person deserved it, at all. First of all, how can you believe that I think treating people like garbage is OK because I think they didn't deserve to die? These people didn't commit mass genocide or something like that.

I am not arguing over a maybe, I am questioning your judgement about what you think people deserve. I am far from someone disrespectful, things like these would never happen to me, but that's not my point. I absolutely disagree with you.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

I Posted MAYBE, as in a possibility. But it really doesn't matter now, does it?

MagnumPI

No it doesn't, but what you said is completely untrue. How could they possibly deserve to die?

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

Still have yet to see a reason why they "deserved it"..

[QUOTE="wstfld"]A good old fashioned killing spree. Maybe if his baby mama had a gun this wouldn't have happened. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. htekemerald

Maybe if he didn't have a gun it wouldn't have been so easy to go on a killing spree

Maybe, or maybe a gun is a tool of choice because... Hey if you have a gun why put anymore effort into itthan you have to? Stabbing people is just as easy as shooting them but if they run you have to chase them and maybe wrestle with them not to mention get their possibly diseasedblood all over yourself.

Anybody could kill anyoneat anytime. It wouldn't be difficult. They don't do it because they don't want to nor need to.Living people are more useful than dead people. Of course some people actually are better dead. Otherwise we wouldn't kill them.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

No it doesn't, but what you said is completely untrue. How could they possibly deserve to die?

sSubZerOo

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

Still have yet to see a reason why they "deserved it"..

Since it'sall hypothetical anyway and has been to begin withyou tell me WHY aperson whom crosses another doesn't deserve the wrath that will follow.

I find that very sad.

Also, does anyone else seem notice there seem to be a ALOT of crime stories coming out of Arizona lately, the few I've read throughWERE NOT immigrant related...

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

MagnumPI

Still have yet to see a reason why they "deserved it"..

Since it'sall hypothetical anyway and has been to begin withyou tell me WHY aperson whom crosses another doesn't deserve the wrath that will follow.

Because we have LAWS in which the guy who is rubbed wrong by some one else should not be legal to murder them.. Furthermore when do you draw the line? The guy that cuts you off on your way to work on the highway? Or the girl friend cheating on you.. Lets say its the later, yet again how does she deserve to be murdered? Thats the thinking of a sociopath.

[QUOTE="wstfld"]A good old fashioned killing spree. Maybe if his baby mama had a gun this wouldn't have happened. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. htekemerald

Maybe if he didn't have a gun it wouldn't have been so easy to go on a killing spree

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Still have yet to see a reason why they "deserved it"..

sSubZerOo

Since it'sall hypothetical anyway and has been to begin withyou tell me WHY aperson whom crosses another doesn't deserve the wrath that will follow.

Because we have LAWS in which the guy who is rubbed wrong by some one else should not be legal to murder them.. Furthermore when do you draw the line? The guy that cuts you off on your way to work on the highway? Or the girl friend cheating on you.. Lets say its the later, yet again how does she deserve to be murdered? Thats the thinking of a sociopath.

Yes, there is law and order, but the law is more concerned with order than justice. You break the law you go to jail, but that doesn't mean there wasn'ta good reason for it. That doesn't mean there wasn't an ethicallywarranted reason. It doesn't mean the person who was killed didn't deserve it. It's for this reason law often protects people from the justice they deserve. The law is more interested peace than justice.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"]A good old fashioned killing spree. Maybe if his baby mama had a gun this wouldn't have happened. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. kayoticdreamz

Maybe if he didn't have a gun it wouldn't have been so easy to go on a killing spree

I'd take my chances against a guy with a knife over a guy with a gun any day...

edit: Sad news.

Ahh humanity :(

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Maybe if he didn't have a gun it wouldn't have been so easy to go on a killing spree

I'd take my chances against a guy with a knife over a guy with a gun any day...

I never understood the point of a rampage before killing ones self.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

HessenKnight

Nobody deserves to die for anything you mentionned... He killed 5 people, even if any of these people did some bad things that doesn't make them the cause of their own death... The only one responsible for their death is their killer, and whatever these people did to him, there is no way they could possibly deserve to die for that.

2. You don't KNOW these things. Stop assuming everything, it makes you look incredibly ignorant.

3. People had their lives taken from them, why don't you pay your respects, or not say anything, because this little facade of trying to look like you're thinking outside of the box is a poor illusion and everyone can see right through it.

I don't assume anything. I just stating what's possible. You're assuming.

Strange, and then the Americans fear Islamic terrorists...Crimsader

yeah i dont know why some people would think its only us muslims that puts on killing attacks, any person from any race can be the suspect :|

2 things:
1- why did they split up and why did he get his kids taken away (maybe i missed it in the article),
2- If he had respected basic property rights this wouldn't have happened. Your life is your property and nobody should take it from you.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="HessenKnight"] 1. These aren't reasons to be killed for.

2. You don't KNOW these things. Stop assuming everything, it makes you look incredibly ignorant.

3. People had their lives taken from them, why don't you pay your respects, or not say anything, because this little facade of trying to look like you're thinking outside of the box is a poor illusion and everyone can see right through it.

HessenKnight

I don't assume anything. I just stating what's possible. You're assuming.

No, you're assuming. If I had proof I wouldn't have used the terms maybe and possible. You assume there is no reason for what he did. You're assuming. I was considering.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Since it'sall hypothetical anyway and has been to begin withyou tell me WHY aperson whom crosses another doesn't deserve the wrath that will follow.

MagnumPI

Because we have LAWS in which the guy who is rubbed wrong by some one else should not be legal to murder them.. Furthermore when do you draw the line? The guy that cuts you off on your way to work on the highway? Or the girl friend cheating on you.. Lets say its the later, yet again how does she deserve to be murdered? Thats the thinking of a sociopath.

Yes, there is law and order, but the law is more concerned with order than justice. You break the law you go to jail, but that doesn't mean there wasn'ta good reason for it. That doesn't mean there wasn't an ethicallywarranted reason. It doesn't mean the person who was killed didn't deserve it. It's for this reason law often protects people from the justice they deserve. The law is more interested peace than justice.

Yet again you make it sound liek there is actually a set system who deserves and doesn't deserve it.. This is OPINION.. So yet again imo they did not deserve it, because if they did something most likely extremely heinous they would be in prison.. So yet again, your point makes little sense.. These people didn't deserve anything, and as you said our justice system is never about that.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

I Posted MAYBE, as in a possibility. But it really doesn't matter now, does it?

MagnumPI

No it doesn't, but what you said is completely untrue. How could they possibly deserve to die?

Maybe his Ex was a real **** that caused him nothing but stress. Took his dignity and everything he cared about. Maybe her new man wasn't making matters any better. Maybe they were brainwashingthe children into hating him. So it's possible they got what was coming to them.

If person Agives person Ba reason to harm person Aand person Apushes person B until person Bharms person Awho's to say person A didn't deserve it? Ifa personcauses something does that person notdeserve theoutcome? They're the cause yet they do not derseve the results?

And even if all that was true, they still did not deserve to die.

And all that would be a mighty big assumption.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"]A good old fashioned killing spree. Maybe if his baby mama had a gun this wouldn't have happened. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. kayoticdreamz

Maybe if he didn't have a gun it wouldn't have been so easy to go on a killing spree

meh...If someone was being a complete Dbag to me for no good reason and they were ruining my life and I was set on suicide, I would probably kill them before I killed myself...Stanley09

Don't let people "ruin your life". Your life is in your hands.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Because we have LAWS in which the guy who is rubbed wrong by some one else should not be legal to murder them.. Furthermore when do you draw the line? The guy that cuts you off on your way to work on the highway? Or the girl friend cheating on you.. Lets say its the later, yet again how does she deserve to be murdered? Thats the thinking of a sociopath.

sSubZerOo

Yes, there is law and order, but the law is more concerned with order than justice. You break the law you go to jail, but that doesn't mean there wasn'ta good reason for it. That doesn't mean there wasn't an ethicallywarranted reason. It doesn't mean the person who was killed didn't deserve it. It's for this reason law often protects people from the justice they deserve. The law is more interested peace than justice.

Yet again you make it sound liek there is actually a set system who deserves and doesn't deserve it.. This is OPINION.. So yet again imo they did not deserve it, because if they did something most likely extremely heinous they would be in prison.. So yet again, your point makes little sense.. These people didn't deserve anything, and as you said our justice system is never about that.

Of course it's anopinion. Do I really need todeclare it? Some people deserve to die and others don't. Why do those who deserve it uh deserve it? They cause it. What they have done is the reason for their demise. The legal system is irrelevant. People end up dead over stupid **** because they think the legal system is gonna protect them from their own stupidity, but it won't. They do everything they can to infuriate someone until that person slits their throat. It's not legal, but I don't feel bad for them, I can't say that person didn't deserve it.

Of course it's anopinion. Do I really need todeclare it? Some people deserve to die and others don't. Why do those who deserve it uh deserve it? They cause it. What they have done is the reason for their demise. The legal system is irrelevant. People end up dead over stupid **** because they think the legal system is gonna protect them from their own stupidity, but it won't. They do everything they can to infuriate someone until that person slits their throat. It's not legal, but I don't feel bad for them, I can't say that person didn't deserve it.

MagnumPI

First thing we learn in psychology class: nobody infuriates you, you infuriate yourself.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]meh...If someone was being a complete Dbag to me for no good reason and they were ruining my life and I was set on suicide, I would probably kill them before I killed myself...bloodling

Don't let people "ruin your life". Your life is in your hands.