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#1 ionusX
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in another run in with tazers, dumb cops, and civilians a halifax county man is now dead for failing to stop riding his bike and then getting tazed. he was rushed to hospital where he was pronounced dead..

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10415249/

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Looks to me like Electro has some competition....

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This isn't the first time I've heard of someone with hearing problems getting attacked by the police.
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#4 Jamiemydearx3
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Uh oh. These dumbasses are going to get tazors banned.

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Not more taser news :roll: :P

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Looks to me like Electro has some competition....

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Hahaha best comment this week.
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All I can say is,,,, He shouldve just gotten of the bike

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I know how to solve this problem. Privatize the law enforcement. Police officers don't receive competitive compensation for their line of work. So all the competent people who know how to handle weapons safely get better jobs. Because of this the police force is made up of red necks, who lack the necessary perceptive skills to enforce the law because they' have no skills to get other jobs.
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I know how to solve this problem. Privatize the law enforcement. Police officers don't receive competitive compensation for their line of work. So all the competent people who know how to handle weapons safely get better jobs. Because of this the police force is made up of red necks, who lack the necessary perceptive skills to enforce the law because they' have no skills to get other jobs.StRaItJaCkEt36
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When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

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#11 branketra
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When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

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What if you can't hear?
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#12 StRaItJaCkEt36
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

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What if you can't hear?

most humans are telepathic so that's not an excuse
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

BranKetra

What if you can't hear?

And I suppose this man couldn't see the police car next to him with lights flashing and the officer yelling out the window at him ether?

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

worlock77

What if you can't hear?

And I suppose this man couldn't see the police car next to him with lights flashing and the officer yelling out the window at him ether?

From article:

"When Officer John Turner arrived, he saw Roger Anthony pedaling away along 10th Street. He followed Anthony in his patrol car, briefly put on his sirens and lights and yelled out of the window for him to stop, but Anthony continued to ride away, police said.

Williams said Turner then saw Anthony take something out his pocket and put it into his mouth. At that time, Turner got out of the car and yelled for Anthony to stop. When Anthony didn't stop, the officer used a stun gun on him, causing him to fall off of his bike."

I'm going from what was reported. It doesn't say he pulled up. It was at night, though. So at the very least, he probably saw the red and blue lighting up the night. Although, if he was drunk, it's possible that he didn't even realize what was going on. Anyway, I didn't realize that cops could tazer civilians for not complying with a command to stop.

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The man was obviously impaired and not aware of his surroundings so you taze him while riding a bike? Nice going rookie. A person with only 1 month experience should not be taking calls, he should be riding with a more experienced officer observing and learning so he doesn't make these dumbass decisions.
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The man was obviously impaired and not aware of his surroundings so you taze him while riding a bike? Nice going rookie. A person with only 1 month experience should not be taking calls, he should be riding with a more experienced officer observing and learning so he doesn't make these dumbass decisions. gmaster456
think about the budget. states need to save money some how.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] What if you can't hear? BranKetra

And I suppose this man couldn't see the police car next to him with lights flashing and the officer yelling out the window at him ether?

From article:

"When Officer John Turner arrived, he saw Roger Anthony pedaling away along 10th Street. He followed Anthony in his patrol car, briefly put on his sirens and lights and yelled out of the window for him to stop, but Anthony continued to ride away, police said.

Williams said Turner then saw Anthony take something out his pocket and put it into his mouth. At that time, Turner got out of the car and yelled for Anthony to stop. When Anthony didn't stop, the officer used a stun gun on him, causing him to fall off of his bike."

I'm going from what was reported. It doesn't say he pulled up. It was at night, though. So at the very least, he probably saw the red and blue lighting up the night. Although, if he was drunk, it's possible that he didn't even realize what was going on. Anyway, I didn't realize that cops could tazer civilians for not complying with a command to stop.

I'm not buying that the man was so obvlious to his surroundings that he would not have been aware of the officer. If we was then he shouldn't have been out by himself like he was.

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#18 gmaster456
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[QUOTE="gmaster456"]The man was obviously impaired and not aware of his surroundings so you taze him while riding a bike? Nice going rookie. A person with only 1 month experience should not be taking calls, he should be riding with a more experienced officer observing and learning so he doesn't make these dumbass decisions. StRaItJaCkEt36
think about the budget. states need to save money some how.

If they need to save money, don't hire on more officers. Or if they do hire more officers, make sure they're experienced enough to handle such situations in a manner that doesn't involve a hearing impaired drunk man getting tazed off his bike and dieing for not listening to a cop telling him to dismount the vehicle. The department will likely be getting sued.
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#19 StRaItJaCkEt36
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

And I suppose this man couldn't see the police car next to him with lights flashing and the officer yelling out the window at him ether?

worlock77

From article:

"When Officer John Turner arrived, he saw Roger Anthony pedaling away along 10th Street. He followed Anthony in his patrol car, briefly put on his sirens and lights and yelled out of the window for him to stop, but Anthony continued to ride away, police said.

Williams said Turner then saw Anthony take something out his pocket and put it into his mouth. At that time, Turner got out of the car and yelled for Anthony to stop. When Anthony didn't stop, the officer used a stun gun on him, causing him to fall off of his bike."

I'm going from what was reported. It doesn't say he pulled up. It was at night, though. So at the very least, he probably saw the red and blue lighting up the night. Although, if he was drunk, it's possible that he didn't even realize what was going on. Anyway, I didn't realize that cops could tazer civilians for not complying with a command to stop.

I'm not buying that the man was so obvlious to his surroundings that he would not have been aware of the officer. If we was then he shouldn't have been out by himself like he was.

Even if this man heard the police officer, and refused to cooperate with him, do you think a police officer should use methods to subdue the man that are potentially life threatening, when nobodies life is in immediate danger?

I think police should only use violence if it's to stop a person from hurting somebody else. I see no evidence this man was a threat to anyone.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

And I suppose this man couldn't see the police car next to him with lights flashing and the officer yelling out the window at him ether?

worlock77

From article:

"When Officer John Turner arrived, he saw Roger Anthony pedaling away along 10th Street. He followed Anthony in his patrol car, briefly put on his sirens and lights and yelled out of the window for him to stop, but Anthony continued to ride away, police said.

Williams said Turner then saw Anthony take something out his pocket and put it into his mouth. At that time, Turner got out of the car and yelled for Anthony to stop. When Anthony didn't stop, the officer used a stun gun on him, causing him to fall off of his bike."

I'm going from what was reported. It doesn't say he pulled up. It was at night, though. So at the very least, he probably saw the red and blue lighting up the night. Although, if he was drunk, it's possible that he didn't even realize what was going on. Anyway, I didn't realize that cops could tazer civilians for not complying with a command to stop.

I'm not buying that the man was so obvlious to his surroundings that he would not have been aware of the officer. If we was then he shouldn't have been out by himself like he was.

It's possible that he was. Just because someone should be under medical care doesn't mean they can afford it. That doesn't really explain why cops can taze someone for not complying to pull over. Think about it. Unless there is a bike lane, bicyclers on the road are supposed to be considered the same as automobiles. Would it be proper to taze someone driving a car or motorcycle if they refused to pull over?
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] From article:

"When Officer John Turner arrived, he saw Roger Anthony pedaling away along 10th Street. He followed Anthony in his patrol car, briefly put on his sirens and lights and yelled out of the window for him to stop, but Anthony continued to ride away, police said.

Williams said Turner then saw Anthony take something out his pocket and put it into his mouth. At that time, Turner got out of the car and yelled for Anthony to stop. When Anthony didn't stop, the officer used a stun gun on him, causing him to fall off of his bike."

I'm going from what was reported. It doesn't say he pulled up. It was at night, though. So at the very least, he probably saw the red and blue lighting up the night. Although, if he was drunk, it's possible that he didn't even realize what was going on. Anyway, I didn't realize that cops could tazer civilians for not complying with a command to stop.

BranKetra

I'm not buying that the man was so obvlious to his surroundings that he would not have been aware of the officer. If we was then he shouldn't have been out by himself like he was.

It's possible that he was. Just because someone should be under medical care doesn't mean they can afford it. That doesn't really explain why cops can taze someone for not complying to pull over. Think about it. Unless there is a bike lane, bicyclers on the road are supposed to be considered the same as automobiles. Would it be proper to taze someone driving a car or motorcycle if they refused to pull over?

What does medical care have to do with it? The man's family were clearly aware of his condition. As for the cop tazing him - yeah, probably an excessive use of force (assuming we're getting the full story here). But these tazing stories come up often and the picture painted is always the same, "bad cop/pig", when in most cases the entire thing could have been easily avoided if the person in question had just went along with the officers.

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Well I can't read the article but I did read the copy paste article on this thread. Has anyone even considered the possibility that he died after overdosing on whatever he stuffed into his mouth while fleeing an officer
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#23 IcyToasters
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I was suprised I hadn't heard of this, being that it was in the county...
... Different Halifax.

I guess this sucks. But I don't really have anything to contribute to a conversation about tasers/the article.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm not buying that the man was so obvlious to his surroundings that he would not have been aware of the officer. If we was then he shouldn't have been out by himself like he was.

worlock77

It's possible that he was. Just because someone should be under medical care doesn't mean they can afford it. That doesn't really explain why cops can taze someone for not complying to pull over. Think about it. Unless there is a bike lane, bicyclers on the road are supposed to be considered the same as automobiles. Would it be proper to taze someone driving a car or motorcycle if they refused to pull over?

What does medical care have to do with it? The man's family were clearly aware of his condition. As for the cop tazing him - yeah, probably an excessive use of force (assuming we're getting the full story here). But these tazing stories come up often and the picture painted is always the same, "bad cop/pig", when in most cases the entire thing could have been easily avoided if the person in question had just went along with the officers.

I thought that's what you meant when you said "he shouldn't have been out by himself like he was." Someone could be influential enough to make him to stay home or a hospital and give him medical care. His family did explain his medical problems. That doesn't mean they could have afforded to help him, or wanted to. Threads like this do tend to give cops a bad image, but there are plenty of posters around that manage to point it out and get a more objective discussion going.

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When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

worlock77

unless the officer had reasonable suspicion that the man had committed a crime, was in the process of committing a crime, or was going to commit a crime, he can't make the man stop. just because the officer tells you to stop, doesn't mean you have to.

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That's a shame.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

needled24-7

unless the officer had reasonable suspicion that the man had committed a crime, was in the process of committing a crime, or was going to commit a crime, he can't make the man stop. just because the officer tells you to stop, doesn't mean you have to.

The original caller had said that the person on the bicycle was inebriated. That was the reasonable suspicion.

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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

sonicare

unless the officer had reasonable suspicion that the man had committed a crime, was in the process of committing a crime, or was going to commit a crime, he can't make the man stop. just because the officer tells you to stop, doesn't mean you have to.

The original caller had said that the person on the bicycle was inebriated. That was the reasonable suspicion.

shouldn't the caller be investigated as well then for a phony complaint? Maybe, he was pissed off a guy was riding on a bicycle(even though it's his right). You know how drivers are.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]unless the officer had reasonable suspicion that the man had committed a crime, was in the process of committing a crime, or was going to commit a crime, he can't make the man stop. just because the officer tells you to stop, doesn't mean you have to.

StRaItJaCkEt36

The original caller had said that the person on the bicycle was inebriated. That was the reasonable suspicion.

shouldn't the caller be investigated as well then for a phony complaint? Maybe, he was pissed off a guy was riding on a bicycle(even though it's his right). You know how drivers are.

I believe some places do have laws against riding bikes intox.
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

sonicare

unless the officer had reasonable suspicion that the man had committed a crime, was in the process of committing a crime, or was going to commit a crime, he can't make the man stop. just because the officer tells you to stop, doesn't mean you have to.

The original caller had said that the person on the bicycle was inebriated. That was the reasonable suspicion.

it might be. depends on the totality of the circumstances. if the officer is going solely on a person calling and saying they think someone might be drunk, it could go either way as to whether it is enough reasonable suspicion. instead of just telling the man to stop, the officer could have observed how he was riding his bike and if the guy was swerving or riding dangerously, then i think that would warrant reasonable suspicion to make a stop. maybe he did that, but the article doesn't say.

but worlock's comment was a pretty general statement, and i was just commenting that just because an officer tells you to stop, doesn't always mean you have to listen to them.

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[QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"][QUOTE="sonicare"] The original caller had said that the person on the bicycle was inebriated. That was the reasonable suspicion.

Huffanddoback

shouldn't the caller be investigated as well then for a phony complaint? Maybe, he was pissed off a guy was riding on a bicycle(even though it's his right). You know how drivers are.

I believe some places do have laws against riding bikes intox.

I was saying that the person who reported the biker, should be investigated for making a false complaint if the biker was in fact not intoxicated. people should not be allowed to make complaints against you that interfere with your life when they are unfounded. OR are intended to cause harassment.

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Dumb pig,fry that scum
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

needled24-7

unless the officer had reasonable suspicion that the man had committed a crime, was in the process of committing a crime, or was going to commit a crime, he can't make the man stop. just because the officer tells you to stop, doesn't mean you have to.

Regardless of what I have to do or not, when a police officer tells me to stop I goddamn well stop. I'm gotten out of a lot of trouble over the years simply by being polite and doing as the officer says. Hell, I got slapped with a $120 ticket the other day and still wished the officer a happy Thanksgiving.

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[QUOTE="Huffanddoback"][QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"] shouldn't the caller be investigated as well then for a phony complaint? Maybe, he was pissed off a guy was riding on a bicycle(even though it's his right). You know how drivers are.StRaItJaCkEt36

I believe some places do have laws against riding bikes intox.

I was saying that the person who reported the biker, should be investigated for making a false complaint if the biker was in fact not intoxicated. people should not be allowed to make complaints against you that interfere with your life when they are unfounded. OR are intended to cause harassment.

It's not a false complaint if the personal actually believes he may be intoxicated.

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The police should always be able to carry out physical punishment if someone doesn't listen to what that say. After all, they are always right.
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[QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"]I know how to solve this problem. Privatize the law enforcement. Police officers don't receive competitive compensation for their line of work. So all the competent people who know how to handle weapons safely get better jobs. Because of this the police force is made up of red necks, who lack the necessary perceptive skills to enforce the law because they' have no skills to get other jobs.parkurtommo
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Um... what?

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The police should always be able to carry out physical punishment if someone doesn't listen to what that say. After all, they are always right.junglist101
Yeah. Right.
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Should have stopped.....it's not very bright to ignore cops. They tend to take that personally.....
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Should have stopped.....it's not very bright to ignore cops. They tend to take that personally.....LJS9502_basic
Not bright, sure. Punishable by force? That's pushing it.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Should have stopped.....it's not very bright to ignore cops. They tend to take that personally.....BranKetra
Not bright, sure. Punishable by force? That's pushing it.

When engaged with a cop....they're always going to win one way or another. I'm against the indiscriminate use of tazers....I'm not a fan of cops...but I can't feel sympathy when the individual creates the problem. So I'm kind of apathetic about this issue.
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Should have stopped.....it's not very bright to ignore cops. They tend to take that personally.....LJS9502_basic
Not bright, sure. Punishable by force? That's pushing it.

When engaged with a cop....they're always going to win one way or another. I'm against the indiscriminate use of tazers....I'm not a fan of cops...but I can't feel sympathy when the individual creates the problem. So I'm kind of apathetic about this issue.

Not always. They can get away and call the police department. If it's one of those city-wide problems with a corrupt police force, the FBI can and has stepped in. Like with the Mississippi burning case. Supposedly, the biker had hearing problems and was apparently impaired. It's more complicated than it just being his fault.
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When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Not bright, sure. Punishable by force? That's pushing it.BranKetra
When engaged with a cop....they're always going to win one way or another. I'm against the indiscriminate use of tazers....I'm not a fan of cops...but I can't feel sympathy when the individual creates the problem. So I'm kind of apathetic about this issue.

Not always. They can get away and call the police department. If it's one of those city-wide problems with a corrupt police force, the FBI can and has stepped in. Like with the Mississippi burning case. Supposedly, the biker had hearing problems and was apparently impaired. It's more complicated than it just being his fault.

But he saw the cop....at the very least he should have stopped when the cop did. Not sure what you mean by impaired though.....drunk?

And what I meant about fighting a cop....it's rare that you'd get away....and they just feel justified in harming the individual for resisting...so it's better to comply and then seek a lawyer if they were out of line.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] When engaged with a cop....they're always going to win one way or another. I'm against the indiscriminate use of tazers....I'm not a fan of cops...but I can't feel sympathy when the individual creates the problem. So I'm kind of apathetic about this issue.LJS9502_basic

Not always. They can get away and call the police department. If it's one of those city-wide problems with a corrupt police force, the FBI can and has stepped in. Like with the Mississippi burning case. Supposedly, the biker had hearing problems and was apparently impaired. It's more complicated than it just being his fault.

But he saw the cop....at the very least he should have stopped when the cop did. Not sure what you mean by impaired though.....drunk?

And what I meant about fighting a cop....it's rare that you'd get away....and they just feel justified in harming the individual for resisting...so it's better to comply and then seek a lawyer if they were out of line.

The article did not report that he saw the cop. By impaired I mean that someone reported that he may have been drunk while riding around. Whether or not they feel justified isn't as important as if they actually were. This guy died, so he can't really go to court over it.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

When the officer tells you to do something you do it.

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No, simply one who doesn't court more hassle than is needed.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Not always. They can get away and call the police department. If it's one of those city-wide problems with a corrupt police force, the FBI can and has stepped in. Like with the Mississippi burning case. Supposedly, the biker had hearing problems and was apparently impaired. It's more complicated than it just being his fault.BranKetra

But he saw the cop....at the very least he should have stopped when the cop did. Not sure what you mean by impaired though.....drunk?

And what I meant about fighting a cop....it's rare that you'd get away....and they just feel justified in harming the individual for resisting...so it's better to comply and then seek a lawyer if they were out of line.

The article did not report that he saw the cop. By impaired I mean that someone reported that he may have been drunk while riding around. Whether or not they feel justified isn't as important as if they actually were. This guy died, so he can't really go to court over it.

If he didn't see the cop then he really really shouldn't have been riding his bike on the road. Very unsafe act.
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm not buying that the man was so obvlious to his surroundings that he would not have been aware of the officer. If we was then he shouldn't have been out by himself like he was.

worlock77

It's possible that he was. Just because someone should be under medical care doesn't mean they can afford it. That doesn't really explain why cops can taze someone for not complying to pull over. Think about it. Unless there is a bike lane, bicyclers on the road are supposed to be considered the same as automobiles. Would it be proper to taze someone driving a car or motorcycle if they refused to pull over?

What does medical care have to do with it? The man's family were clearly aware of his condition. As for the cop tazing him - yeah, probably an excessive use of force (assuming we're getting the full story here). But these tazing stories come up often and the picture painted is always the same, "bad cop/pig", when in most cases the entire thing could have been easily avoided if the person in question had just went along with the officers.

So your basically saying that if the victim here had blindly listened to what the cop said, he would still have his life. When did this law come to pass? The one where police have the right to kill innocent civilians who choose to ignore police. Most police wouldn't like it if every time they put on their sirens, every pedestrian/driver/cyclist comes to a complete stop and slowly moves towards the police car.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Most police wouldn't like it if every time they put on their sirens, every pedestrian/driver/cyclist comes to a complete stop and slowly moves towards the police car.

FYI....they want you to pull over and stay in your vehicle. If you move toward the cop it's a show of aggression and the consequences can be.....deadly.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] It's possible that he was. Just because someone should be under medical care doesn't mean they can afford it. That doesn't really explain why cops can taze someone for not complying to pull over. Think about it. Unless there is a bike lane, bicyclers on the road are supposed to be considered the same as automobiles. Would it be proper to taze someone driving a car or motorcycle if they refused to pull over?Nibroc420

What does medical care have to do with it? The man's family were clearly aware of his condition. As for the cop tazing him - yeah, probably an excessive use of force (assuming we're getting the full story here). But these tazing stories come up often and the picture painted is always the same, "bad cop/pig", when in most cases the entire thing could have been easily avoided if the person in question had just went along with the officers.

So your basically saying that if the victim here had blindly listened to what the cop said, he would still have his life. When did this law come to pass? The one where police have the right to kill innocent civilians who choose to ignore police. Most police wouldn't like it if every time they put on their sirens, every pedestrian/driver/cyclist comes to a complete stop and slowly moves towards the police car.

No, what I'm saying is that people who comply with police officers usually don't get tazed. For all you, I or anyone else posting here know the man may have died from whatever it was he ingested moments before.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But he saw the cop....at the very least he should have stopped when the cop did. Not sure what you mean by impaired though.....drunk?

And what I meant about fighting a cop....it's rare that you'd get away....and they just feel justified in harming the individual for resisting...so it's better to comply and then seek a lawyer if they were out of line.

LJS9502_basic

The article did not report that he saw the cop. By impaired I mean that someone reported that he may have been drunk while riding around. Whether or not they feel justified isn't as important as if they actually were. This guy died, so he can't really go to court over it.

If he didn't see the cop then he really really shouldn't have been riding his bike on the road. Very unsafe act.

True, he shouldn't have. I wonder when it becomes okay to tazer someone riding a bike. Like I said earlier, unless there is a bike lane, cyclists are considered the same as automobile drivers. Are cops allowed or encouraged to tazer car or motorcycle drivers if they refuse to pull over? Regardless of whether or not they hear or not, because in this case, it's apparent that the cop didn't realize the biker had hearing problems. Decisions like this can end lives. Or save them.