Have you seen the Jeremiah Wright speech?

Have you seen the most recent speech he gave at the NAACP? After watching it I realised i agree with a lot of things he said. I was also shocked to find out how much the media miss-lead me... For example when he said "the chickens have come to roost" he was quoting someone eles, but you would never hear that....

Thoughts?

The media never lies!

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Have you seen the most recent speech he gave at the NAACP? After watching it I realised i agree with a lot of things he said. I was also shocked to find out how much the media miss-lead me... For example when he said "the chickens have come to roost" he was quoting someone eles, but you would never hear that....

Thoughts?

killtactics

What part did you agree with? The part where he said blacks and whites think with different sides of the brain? Or the part where he started shouting out "Barrack Hussein Obama!" over and over?

And I guess "chickens coming home to rooost" is OK since he was just quoting someone else....

Yeeeah his whole situation was really blown out of proportion and taken out of context... not surprised though.

He was a little too direct with his statements :P

I never thought what he said was bad, even when they started looping what he said over and over. Heck, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said worse stuff than that and he is practically a Saint in the United States.ElectronicMagic

i get the saint part but when did martin luther king say anything worse than jeremiah wright

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Have you seen the most recent speech he gave at the NAACP? After watching it I realised i agree with a lot of things he said. I was also shocked to find out how much the media miss-lead me... For example when he said "the chickens have come to roost" he was quoting someone eles, but you would never hear that....

Thoughts?

pseudodog07

What part did you agree with? The part where he said blacks and whites think with different sides of the brain? Or the part where he started shouting out "Barrack Hussein Obama!" over and over?

And I guess "chickens coming home to rooost" is OK since he was just quoting someone else....

As far as the chickens thing goes i don't think he should have put it that way but the point he tries to make is legit... which is that some of the things America did contributed to this.... I mean for the love of God America is fighting people they sold guns to....

uh...I've seen most of it yeah and I don't agree with it nor think it's "okay" saying we deserved 9/11, saying that Powerful White Americans injected Black People with AIDS, saying "Damn America", and a slew of other notions...No way did MLK Jr. Say worse stuff he promoted not humiliating or infuriating people but sinking in through slowly demanding more rights and equality, showing that they aren't treated correctly not yelling or whining that others are treated better.mechwarrior_bob

[QUOTE="pseudodog07"]What part did you agree with? The part where he said blacks and whites think with different sides of the brain? Or the part where he started shouting out "Barrack Hussein Obama!" over and over?

And I guess "chickens coming home to rooost" is OK since he was just quoting someone else....

killtactics

As far as the chickens thing goes i don't think he should have put it that way but the point he tries to make is legit... which is that some of the things America did contributed to this.... I mean for the love of God America is fighting people they sold guns to....

He wasn't talking about both sides working differently. He was talking about blacks and whites working differently. And it seemed clear that he agrees with this, and aparantly so do you. He says blacks learn with the right creative side and whites learn with the analylitical left side. It was a major part of his "different" speech and is a load of crap.

He was shouting for at least half the speech. He made a point of saying his way of being loud was his way of being different from white folks(whom he mocked throughout), as part of his "different" speech.

If you think America deserved 911 then that's what you agree with.

His whole speech was racist and often seemed like the ramblings of a madman. And, if Don Imus is a racist, then Wright is a racist times to the 100th factor.

Yes, I have, and did nothing change my mind. If anything, I am all the more convinced that guy is moronic loon, who could use lesson or two in countability.

They showed some of it on the BBC, and I found I actually liked the man. Would MLK really have fared any better with youtube and constant soundbiting? He might not have said anything so inflammatory but I don't think it would make too much difference. Also, the man's a preacher, he's going to be hyperbolic to get a reaction from the crowd.

Also, don't automatically condemn someone for not liking the way their country functions. He said some pretty ridiculous things that could offer fair reason for condemnation if you're feeling a bit thin-skinned, but all this concern ias to whether someone's "anti-American" seems like a McCarthyite hang-over. The emphasis on Patriotism in America that I percieve has always seemed a little unsettling to me.

They showed some of it on the BBC, and I found I actually liked the man. Would MLK really have fared any better with youtube and constant soundbiting? He might not have said anything so inflammatory but I don't think it would make too much difference. Also, the man's a preacher, he's going to be hyperbolic to get a reaction from the crowd.

Also, don't automatically condemn someone for not liking the way their country functions. He said some pretty ridiculous things that could offer fair reason for condemnation if you're feeling a bit thin-skinned, but all this concern ias to whether someone's "anti-American" seems like a McCarthyite hang-over. The emphasis on Patriotism in America that I percieve has always seemed a little unsettling to me.

Junkie_man

Stay on topic. Topic is Jermiah Wright, not MLK.

In regards to him being preacher, does not give excuse for him to be idiot. Countability is something that everyone should hold themselves to, especially public figures, such as preacher.

Also, the problem with the man is not so much he anti-American, as he is an idiot. He excuse America of creating the AID virus, the same virus that kills millions of people each year. I do not think you realize how serious of charge that is. He is excuse America of, if it were true, one of the biggest cases of mass genocide in the entire span of human history. Do not get much more serious than that. And yet, where is the man's proof? If you are going to make any charge, especially one that is serious as this one, you damn well better have creditable proof/sources to support your claims, otherwise, nothing more than whole lot of bull. And in this case, bull at its highest order.

Do not let your problems with patriotism, which is whole another topic completely, blind you, because that is exactly what you are being.

More propaganda from a radical pastor. Taken out of context my ***. I heard his entire sermon from beginning to end which had the comments "God**** America", you can download the entire sermon. There's several entire sermons you can download, and it's hate speach peppered through all of them. The fact that he tries to act like there's this Right Wing conspiracy to flame him is so laughable considering Hillary's campaign more then likely dug up the Rev. Wright comments.

Rev. Wright is disgusting, racist, a hate monger and a national embarassment. Martin Luther King would be ashamed of him.

Seriously, could you imagine the outrage people would have if this were a white guy saying stuff like this about black people? Or any other race for that matter. He acts like he speaks for ALL black people, that's so stupid. No one is the sole spokesperson for their race, religion, whatever. I have tons of friends who are black, I serve with guys from all over the country who grew up in all sorts of different environments and every one of my black friends has expressed shame in Wright.

Bracing myself for the flames now. En guard.8)

He thinks AIDS is man made. Anything else he has to see should, nay, must, be disregarded.Rhazakna

I would believe that there is a high probability that the virus was a man made virus. Its not impossible by any means, and this government is definitely evil enough to put it to use on its own people. When you consider the CIA themselves ship in cocaine, heroin, and other highly addictive and dangerous drugs (and have even been CAUGHT doing so), it at the very least shows the vampiric nature of some of the people inside our government. I doubt little that the HIV virus could have been used as a weapon and played off as a virus given to humans by monkeys. *shrug* I dunno about this one, but I would hardly trust a single word coming out of this governments mouths...

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]He thinks AIDS is man made. Anything else he has to see should, nay, must, be disregarded.jer_1

I would believe that there is a high probability that the virus was a man made virus. Its not impossible by any means, and this government is definitely evil enough to put it to use on its own people. When you consider the CIA themselves ship in cocaine, heroin, and other highly addictive and dangerous drugs and have even been CAUGHT doing so. I doubt little that the HIV virus could have been used as a weapon and played off as a virus given to humans by monkeys. *shrug* I dunno about this one, but I would hardly trust a single word coming out of this governments mouths...

There is no evidence to suggest that AIDS is man made. None. Not trusting the government doesn't mean you have to fall in to paranoia. And the government isnt "evil". That's childish and naive. The government is made up of individuals, some evil, some moral, most somewhere in the middle.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]He thinks AIDS is man made. Anything else he has to see should, nay, must, be disregarded.Rhazakna

I would believe that there is a high probability that the virus was a man made virus. Its not impossible by any means, and this government is definitely evil enough to put it to use on its own people. When you consider the CIA themselves ship in cocaine, heroin, and other highly addictive and dangerous drugs and have even been CAUGHT doing so. I doubt little that the HIV virus could have been used as a weapon and played off as a virus given to humans by monkeys. *shrug* I dunno about this one, but I would hardly trust a single word coming out of this governments mouths...

There is no evidence to suggest that AIDS is man made. None. Not trusting the government doesn't mean you have to fall in to paranoia. And the government isnt "evil". That's childish and naive. The government is made up of individuals, some evil, some moral, most somewhere in the middle.

Ah yes, of course there are good people in the government. However many of these groups of people I would consider evil are very compartmentalized. Little or no information about their wrongdoings are known by others inside the same organization. There are many examples of experiments being done on even large groups of people in the states. Ranging from nuclear to viral to chemical to drug tests performed on citizens (Project Paperclip might ring a bell). You name it and it likely has been done. I would wager to say that trusting your government is being naive.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]He thinks AIDS is man made. Anything else he has to see should, nay, must, be disregarded.jer_1

I would believe that there is a high probability that the virus was a man made virus. Its not impossible by any means, and this government is definitely evil enough to put it to use on its own people. When you consider the CIA themselves ship in cocaine, heroin, and other highly addictive and dangerous drugs and have even been CAUGHT doing so. I doubt little that the HIV virus could have been used as a weapon and played off as a virus given to humans by monkeys. *shrug* I dunno about this one, but I would hardly trust a single word coming out of this governments mouths...

There is no evidence to suggest that AIDS is man made. None. Not trusting the government doesn't mean you have to fall in to paranoia. And the government isnt "evil". That's childish and naive. The government is made up of individuals, some evil, some moral, most somewhere in the middle.

Ah yes, of course there are good people in the government. However many of these groups of people I would consider evil are very compartmentalized. Little or no information about their wrongdoings are known by others inside the same organization. There are many examples of experiments being done on even large groups of people in the states. Ranging from nuclear to viral to chemical to drug tests performed on citizens (Project Paperclip might ring a bell). You name it and it likely has been done. I would wager to say that trusting your government is being naive.

There's no reason to believe claims with no evidence. Saying that the evidence is hidden doesn't help you. We could blame the government for everything using this logic. And if what the government says is conclusive and consistent with the evidence, it can be trusted. If it isn't then it should be regarded with skepticism. The same is true for claims from anyone. There's no reason to believe the government is evil and always lying to you any more than there is to believe the government is benevolent and always has your best interests in mind.

And Operation Paperclip was the extraction of Nazi scientists to wokr for the US. Hardly that high on the evil scale.

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="jer_1"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]He thinks AIDS is man made. Anything else he has to see should, nay, must, be disregarded.Rhazakna

I would believe that there is a high probability that the virus was a man made virus. Its not impossible by any means, and this government is definitely evil enough to put it to use on its own people. When you consider the CIA themselves ship in cocaine, heroin, and other highly addictive and dangerous drugs and have even been CAUGHT doing so. I doubt little that the HIV virus could have been used as a weapon and played off as a virus given to humans by monkeys. *shrug* I dunno about this one, but I would hardly trust a single word coming out of this governments mouths...

There is no evidence to suggest that AIDS is man made. None. Not trusting the government doesn't mean you have to fall in to paranoia. And the government isnt "evil". That's childish and naive. The government is made up of individuals, some evil, some moral, most somewhere in the middle.

Ah yes, of course there are good people in the government. However many of these groups of people I would consider evil are very compartmentalized. Little or no information about their wrongdoings are known by others inside the same organization. There are many examples of experiments being done on even large groups of people in the states. Ranging from nuclear to viral to chemical to drug tests performed on citizens (Project Paperclip might ring a bell). You name it and it likely has been done. I would wager to say that trusting your government is being naive.

There's no reason to believe claims with no evidence. Saying that the evidence is hidden doesn't help you. We could blame the government for everything using this logic. And if what the government says is conclusive and consistent with the evidence, it can be trusted. If it isn't then it should be regarded with skepticism. The same is true for claims from anyone. There's no reason to believe the government is evil and always lying to you any more than there is to believe the government is benevolent and always has your best interests in mind.

And Operation Paperclip was the extraction of Nazi scientists to wokr for the US. Hardly that high on the evil scale.

Nah, nazi scientists who had been testing on humans in Germany, shipped to the states with immunity is fine and dandy I'm sure. What they were assigned to do here was surely only to help somebody. This is just ONE example though. What about "Program F", MKULTRA, MKOFTEN, MKSEARCH, Project Derby Hat, the Zinc cadmium sulfide gas dispersed over several cities including St. Louis, Ft. Wayne, Leesburgh, and others? Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense even requested from congress $10 million to develop a synthetic biological agent, whithin 5 to 10 years, to which no natural immunity exists. That took place in 1969.

These are pretty well known, and many times over admitted by our government decades after the fact. There are many many MANY more examples other than this, so I definitely have little reason to trust them to keep my best interests in mind. I'm not saying that they did or didnt do the whole HIV thing, I'm just saying that it is possible and that the good people that are interspersed throughout our government didnt have enough pull to stop any of those activities. They wouldnt have even known about any of it, because of compartmentalization.

For all the hate Jeremiah Wright spews out about "rich white foik," anybody see the multimillion dollar home, that he lives in, thats in a neighborhood filled with "Rich White Folk."

Hypocrisy anyone?

Nah, nazi scientists who had been testing on humans in Germany, shipped to the states with immunity is fine and dandy I'm sure. What they were assigned to do here was surely only to help somebody. This is just ONE example though. What about "Program F", MKULTRA, MKOFTEN, MKSEARCH, Project Derby Hat, the Zinc cadmium sulfide gas dispersed over several cities including St. Louis, Ft. Wayne, Leesburgh, and others? Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense even requested from congress $10 million to develop a synthetic biological agent, whithin 5 to 10 years, to which no natural immunity exists. That took place in 1969.

These are pretty well known, and many times over admitted by our government decades after the fact. There are many many MANY more examples other than this, so I definitely have little reason to trust them to keep my best interests in mind. I'm not saying that they did or didnt do the whole HIV thing, I'm just saying that it is possible and that the good people that are interspersed throughout our government didnt have enough pull to stop any of those activities. They wouldnt have even known about any of it, because of compartmentalization.

jer_1

The government is a self serving entity that has done many heinous things. I'm hardly pro-government, my avatar should be proof enough of that. I'm actually quite the minarchist. However, I take issue with claims of inherent morality within government be they claims of morality or immorality. Everything the government does should be taken on an individual basis, and judged on its individual circumstances.

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Nah, nazi scientists who had been testing on humans in Germany, shipped to the states with immunity is fine and dandy I'm sure. What they were assigned to do here was surely only to help somebody. This is just ONE example though. What about "Program F", MKULTRA, MKOFTEN, MKSEARCH, Project Derby Hat, the Zinc cadmium sulfide gas dispersed over several cities including St. Louis, Ft. Wayne, Leesburgh, and others? Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense even requested from congress $10 million to develop a synthetic biological agent, whithin 5 to 10 years, to which no natural immunity exists. That took place in 1969.

These are pretty well known, and many times over admitted by our government decades after the fact. There are many many MANY more examples other than this, so I definitely have little reason to trust them to keep my best interests in mind. I'm not saying that they did or didnt do the whole HIV thing, I'm just saying that it is possible and that the good people that are interspersed throughout our government didnt have enough pull to stop any of those activities. They wouldnt have even known about any of it, because of compartmentalization.

Rhazakna

The government is a self serving entity that has done many heinous things. I'm hardly pro-government, my avatar should be proof enough of that. I'm actually quite the minarchist. However, I take issue with claims of inherent morality within government be they claims of morality or immorality. Everything the government does should be taken on an individual basis, and judged on its individual circumstances.

See there are still many things we may agree on. :P