Heroin Legalization program approved in Switzerland, still against medical pot

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#1 helium_flash
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Here is the link.

Sixty-eight percent of the 2.26 million Swiss voters casting ballots approved making the heroin program permanent.

By contrast, around 63.2 percent of voters voted against the marijuana proposal, which was based on a separate citizens' initiative to decriminalize the consumption of marijuana and growing the plant for personal use.

 

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That's democracy for ya.
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Switzerland just got owned by common sense.
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That's democracy for ya.Vfanek

Or propaganda. I dont see many anti heroin commercials. The way i look at it htough...we dont need protection from ourselves. If you want to put something that may or may not be harmful in your own body without negatively effecting anyone around you...who should stop you? Same with seat belt laws unless its kids, because thats the parents job to protect the kid.

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It will be gone in a year at the most.
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After watching Requiem for a Dream and Train Spotting I will never touch Heroin, However with government regulation of the substance there will be much safer ways to consume it rather than shooting it into your arm.
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#7 bugtrip
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]That's democracy for ya.Buddha_basic

Or propaganda. I dont see many anti heroin commercials. The way i look at it htough...we dont need protection from ourselves. If you want to put something that may or may not be harmful in your own body without negatively effecting anyone around you...who should stop you? Same with seat belt laws unless its kids, because thats the parents job to protect the kid.

It's protection from yourselves and the surrounding people that drugs harm in the process. I don't want to live next door to a heroin addict, nor do I want them near my kids, because believe it or not, high speed drugs don't make the average person more content and fluent in their right and wrong decision making.
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Ohhh you mean like...between the toes? [QUOTE="bugtrip"][QUOTE="Buddha_basic"]

 

Or propaganda. I dont see many anti heroin commercials. The way i look at it htough...we dont need protection from ourselves. If you want to put something that may or may not be harmful in your own body without negatively effecting anyone around you...who should stop you? Same with seat belt laws unless its kids, because thats the parents job to protect the kid.

battousai188

It's protection from yourselves and the surrounding people that drugs harm in the process. I don't want to live next door to a heroin addict, nor do I want them near my kids, because believe it or not, high speed drugs don't make the average person more content and fluent in their right and wrong decision making.

But why make the act of using this drug illegal? The laws against assault or driving under the influence or whatever will still be there.

 

After watching Requiem for a Dream and Train Spotting I will never touch Heroin, However with government regulation of the substance there will be much safer ways to consume it rather than shooting it into your arm.battousai188

 

Ohhh..you mean like between the toes? :P

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#9 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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That makes no sense. Heroin causes far more problems than pot ever could.
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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]That's democracy for ya.Buddha_basic

Or propaganda. I dont see many anti heroin commercials. The way i look at it htough...we dont need protection from ourselves. If you want to put something that may or may not be harmful in your own body without negatively effecting anyone around you...who should stop you? Same with seat belt laws unless its kids, because thats the parents job to protect the kid.

I don't think you can say that really. It's the culture that drugs, especially hard drugs, bring with it. People will always effect other people. If someone OD's on heroin, then it becomes someone elses problem. Someone dies because they aren't wearing a seat belt, it becomes someone elses problem.
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Yes, because we all know the horror stories of people trying to overcome their marijuana addiction's...
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[QUOTE="Buddha_basic"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"]That's democracy for ya.solid_mario

Or propaganda. I dont see many anti heroin commercials. The way i look at it htough...we dont need protection from ourselves. If you want to put something that may or may not be harmful in your own body without negatively effecting anyone around you...who should stop you? Same with seat belt laws unless its kids, because thats the parents job to protect the kid.

I don't think you can say that really. It's the culture that drugs, especially hard drugs, bring with it. People will always effect other people. If someone OD's on heroin, then it becomes someone elses problem. Someone dies because they aren't wearing a seat belt, it becomes someone elses problem.

Youre right. My point is- Getting drunk in public = illegal Driving Drunk = illegal smoking marijuana = illegal smoking meth = illegal Yet we have thousands of people in jail for these activities. Why? Because they do it anyway. IF someone wants to smoke meth, lets be honest, here in america its pretty easy to get it. Same with marijuana. Why send these people to a warm jail where we have to pay for their cable, their food, their church service, hell..their college education.

 

Edit: Minus the driving drunk because tahts effecting and possibly killing someone else. But for activities like smoking meth, and marijauna. Or dealing. This should not be illegal. Only when you cross the boundary of harmign someone else. Because these things happen regardless.  

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But why make the act of using this drug illegal? The laws against assault or driving under the influence or whatever will still be there.Buddha_basic
Thats exactly like saying Vehicular manslaughter is an OK law, but getting into the car drunk should be perfectly legal. Of course not every intoxicated driver is going to kill somebody, but eventually it happens doesn't it? And it will happen frequently as statistics show. Let's just make automatic assault rifles legal in our schools, after all, Gun Control would only defer from our right to have a good time with assault rifles. I hope you see what I'm get'n at. If we were to legalize drugs, I would motion for the legalization of marijuana, a substance which has been proven a safer alternative to alcohol time and time again for countless reasons. Perhapse we meet half way here.
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Because it is better than another dead body on the streets.
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[QUOTE="Buddha_basic"]But why make the act of using this drug illegal? The laws against assault or driving under the influence or whatever will still be there.bugtrip
Thats exactly like saying Vehicular manslaughter is an OK law, but getting into the car drunk should be perfectly legal. Of course not every intoxicated driver is going to kill somebody, but eventually it happens doesn't it? And it will happen frequently as statistics show. Let's just make automatic assault rifles legal in our schools, after all, Gun Control would only defer from our right to have a good time with assault rifles. I hope you see what I'm get'n at. If we were to legalize drugs, I would motion for the legalization of marijuana, a substance which has been proven a safer alternative to alcohol time and time again for countless reasons. Perhapse we meet half way here.

But thats sort of where im getting at but having a hard time phrasing it. Driving under the influence SHOULD continue to be illegal. But putting a substance in your body (hell when alcohol and cigarettes are legal) should not be illegal.
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Wow... talk about... well... *insert "ignorance" epithet here*
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Wait, what?
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[QUOTE="bugtrip"][QUOTE="Buddha_basic"]But why make the act of using this drug illegal? The laws against assault or driving under the influence or whatever will still be there.Buddha_basic
Thats exactly like saying Vehicular manslaughter is an OK law, but getting into the car drunk should be perfectly legal. Of course not every intoxicated driver is going to kill somebody, but eventually it happens doesn't it? And it will happen frequently as statistics show. Let's just make automatic assault rifles legal in our schools, after all, Gun Control would only defer from our right to have a good time with assault rifles. I hope you see what I'm get'n at. If we were to legalize drugs, I would motion for the legalization of marijuana, a substance which has been proven a safer alternative to alcohol time and time again for countless reasons. Perhapse we meet half way here.

But thats sort of where im getting at but having a hard time phrasing it. Driving under the influence SHOULD continue to be illegal. But putting a substance in your body (hell when alcohol and cigarettes are legal) should not be illegal.

But knowing not to drive is dependant on your level of decision making. How many heroin addicts would not have committed the crimes that put them into prison, killed them or hurt/killed people around them had it not been for the drug's influence? You can't compare a very serious and highly addictive drug to alcohol and merijuana. There's plenty of scientific and sociological evidence based off credibly fortified research to suggest that heroin is ultimately a huge drain on society and human life. Laws exist to protect us from ourselves, and only faith in that concept will keep people from anarchy, and anarchy via any simulation never ends well, it is the reason to the eutopic theory's proven impossibility. Drugs are a huge factor in true freedom's demise, as it is a portal into human indecency.
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[QUOTE="Buddha_basic"][QUOTE="bugtrip"][QUOTE="Buddha_basic"]But why make the act of using this drug illegal? The laws against assault or driving under the influence or whatever will still be there.bugtrip
Thats exactly like saying Vehicular manslaughter is an OK law, but getting into the car drunk should be perfectly legal. Of course not every intoxicated driver is going to kill somebody, but eventually it happens doesn't it? And it will happen frequently as statistics show. Let's just make automatic assault rifles legal in our schools, after all, Gun Control would only defer from our right to have a good time with assault rifles. I hope you see what I'm get'n at. If we were to legalize drugs, I would motion for the legalization of marijuana, a substance which has been proven a safer alternative to alcohol time and time again for countless reasons. Perhapse we meet half way here.

But thats sort of where im getting at but having a hard time phrasing it. Driving under the influence SHOULD continue to be illegal. But putting a substance in your body (hell when alcohol and cigarettes are legal) should not be illegal.

But knowing not to drive is dependant on your level of decision making. How many heroin addicts would not have committed the crimes that put them into prison, killed them or hurt/killed people around them had it not been for the drug's influence? You can't compare a very serious and highly addictive drug to alcohol and merijuana. There's plenty of scientific and sociological evidence based off credibly fortified research to suggest that heroin is ultimately a huge drain on society and human life. Laws exist to protect us from ourselves, and only faith in that concept will keep people from anarchy, and anarchy via any simulation never ends well, it is the reason to the eutopic theory's proven impossibility. Drugs are a huge factor in true freedom's demise, as it is a portal into crime.

I am not trying to compare marijuana to heroin. In fact one of the main reasons marijuana isnt physically addictive is because, unlike an opiate (heroin), it doesnt cause a surge of dopamine to be produced while inhibiting regulation of dopamine receptors. But common LAW will have it that marijuana is addictive because you gain a tollerance, and addiction is defined as "needing more to produce the same effects as before". And anyone with a tollerance to any substance will need more. So i think we can agree the law is backwards on this. Further proof is that marijuana is a schedule 1 substance... ahead of methamphetime and opiates.

My point being is, (you say it yourself), people use these drugs. So the consequences of using these drugs are felt regardless of whether it is illegal or not. All i am saying is that the use of these drugs should not be illegal becasue that is the choice of the user, not anyone else. And i dont watn to pay for someones visit in jail because they chose to put something in their own body. When taht choice harms someone else, then tehy should be put in jail. I.E. When a drunk gets behind the wheel.

The war on drugs has created needless orginized crime, and a black market for this substance.

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Switzerland just got owned by common sense.Theokhoth
erm you do know that heroin is still illegal there right? There's just a goverment lab that provides it in small doses to adicts to wean them off like a nicotine patch
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Switzerland just got owned by common sense.markop2003
erm you do know that heroin is still illegal there right? There's just a goverment lab that provides it in small doses to adicts to wean them off like a nicotine patch

I agree. Heroin is one of the most addictive substances known to man. I know people that are potheads but none of them are truly addicted. Addiction is a serious problem. Besides, I would rather have Marijuana illegal anyway. First, it's not hard to find and second, the government is not taxing me for buying it.