holy jesus debunk this 9\11 video only 10 min

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#1 areyoumad
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this is blown me away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0b34msR6cI&eurl

:o

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#3 mastersword007
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Link


haven't watched it yet. (starts watching)
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#4 Cedmln
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Very interesting, but I don't have or see proof. That was a long time ago and even if we found the truth and did something about, someone will come along in the future and do something similar and rinse and repeat.
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interesting
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#7 Kiuk
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That's something i wasn't aware of, very interesting indeed
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better movie
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#9 Hoobinator
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Oh well. Looks like whoever wants control of the world is finding it difficult to win in Iraq and Afghanistan anyway. If 9/11 was an inside job they ****** up when they went to war with nations who are humiliating them now. :D
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The problem with this is there would have to be a lot of people involved to make something like this work. Its hard for me to accept so many American conspirators would be ok with murdering thousands of people and sending the US economy into a system shock. Besides, this video only really compares the footage of a few cameras when there are so many others that caught the second plane flying into the building. Heck, I was watching the event live on TV as the second plane slammed into the building, so did thousands who witnessed it on the ground. Are all of them lying too?

And if you want to believe the planes in the footage are all special effects and CGI you need to stop. Realize this, you don't just push a button and make a plane pop into camera footage. It has to be modeled, materialized, tracked to all the live footage (thats not easy) render the frames, composite all the frames to gether into the footage, then edited, then dubbed into the correct format, not to mention all the BS you get from the art director. Trust me, I know about this stuff, I dont have a 3D studio max logo in my sig because its a hobby. Even with good planing the conspirators could only have done the first two things I mentioned. For the planes to be CGI and to just appear on all the news footage the same day is impossible.

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better movieLaserwolf65

lawl, that episode whas awesome

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The problem with this is there would have to be a lot of people involved to make something like this work. Its hard for me to accept so many American conspirators would be ok with murdering thousands of people and sending the US economy into a system shock. Besides, this video only really compares the footage of a few cameras when there are so many others that caught the second plane flying into the building. Heck, I was watching the event live on TV as the second plane slammed into the building, so did thousands who witnessed it on the ground. Are all of them lying too?

And if you want to believe the planes in the footage are all special effects and CGI you need to stop. Realize this, you don't just push a button and make a plane pop into camera footage. It has to be modeled, materialized, tracked to all the live footage (thats not easy) render the frames, composite all the frames to gether into the footage, then edited, then dubbed into the correct format, not to mention all the BS you get from the art director. Trust me, I know about this stuff, I dont have a 3D studio max logo in my sig because its a hobby. Even with good planing the conspirators could only have done the first two things I mentioned. For the planes to be CGI and to just appear on all the news footage the same day is impossible.

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maybe the makers of 300 made it :O

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#13 Hoobinator
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For the planes to be CGI and to just appear on all the news footage the same day is impossible.

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Nothings impossible when you have the right funds and a lot of planning. ;)

And as for your idea of people finding it hard to kill a couple of thousand of americans, it's called collateral damage, a few damages but for the greater good, you get the world Pinky and all that's in it.

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sorry but i still believe ousama binladen is responsible.
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#15 areyoumad
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this video is no way stating that the planes were cgi,those who say are ignorant.even in this video the creator doesn't know why the videos are like that.

all i can say is that the fourth plane didn't hit the capitol building otherwise bye bye constitution.

al i can say for this vidoe is taht it was diffrerent from all other ones.

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#16 DisturbedChild7
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The only thing I don't get is teh orb. The whoel point of the video is to show nothing hit the tower live, then they randomly show us something that we can't make out hitting the tower live.
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this is blown me away


areyoumad

Er didn't like most of New York watch the planes hit the towers from the street? And if they didn't see planes i think they would of said something don't you?

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#18 Darthmatt
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]

For the planes to be CGI and to just appear on all the news footage the same day is impossible.

Hoobinator

Nothings impossible when you have the right funds and a lot of planning. ;)

And as for your idea of people finding it hard to kill a couple of thousand of americans, it's called collateral damage, a few damages but for the greater good, you get the world Pinky and all that's in it.

well if the government is involved then it would be an even bigger cluster F***. You put too much faith in their ability to do something so quickly an efficiently unless it was a rouge element working independent of the Bureaucracy. Still thats far fetched. Its hard enough to get a dozen SFX shots finalized in a month let alone a day or two. I still dont buy the conspirators thing. It means a lot of people would have no moral objection to this happening and gladly work on it. If they had a bunch of CGI artists doing this they'd have to kill them or something becasuse they would talk no matter what they were payed. Thats a lot harder to believe than a bunch of Arab terrorists who are well funded and hate America pulled off the un-thinkable. It wasn't exactly impossible to send a bunch of guys on a suicide run (they dont see that as a bad thing) buy plane tickets and take and take over one in the air. Bin Laden has been saying all along the way to destroy America is to destroy its economy. Like sending a few Al Qieda Lieutenants to Iraq and spreading rumors they are in bed with Saddam so Bush and crew can use that as an excuse to wage a war that is sending the US into debt at an alarming rate.
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there are a lot of strange things about 9/11 and I really don't know what to believe.
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[QUOTE="Laserwolf65"]better moviewhoody12

lawl, that episode whas awesome

one of the top ten in my book

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#21 comp_atkins
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:lol: you're kidding me right? there were literally THOUSANDS of ppl in the area who saw the plane in real life. not to mention the hundreds of other videos which show from multiple angles the same thing over and over again. not to mention the hundreds of still photographs which also show the plane..

this is why 9/11 ct lose so much credibility.. they cant keep thier stories straight...

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#22 Hoobinator
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this is why 9/11 ct lose so much credibility.. they cant keep thier stories straight...

comp_atkins

Maybe they don't have an adequate platform to keep their stories straight. Who's going to listen the news media. :lol:

And I specifically remember seeing a video about the guys on the street when the planes struck, saying they heard other exlosions close by which had nothing to do with the planes exploding. Detonations maybe. Good job the media reported on that.... oh wait.

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#23 skinnypete91
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Hmm... theres a lot of confusion regarding 9/11. This is one I havent seen and its definitely wierd.. I have no doubt planes crashed into those buildings, thousands of people watched from the streets - it would be impossible to to silence them.

But why that Live News video shows no plane is beyond me...

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OK, so NBC altered their video......what's the point here ?
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

this is why 9/11 ct lose so much credibility.. they cant keep thier stories straight...

Hoobinator

Maybe they don't have an adequate platform to keep their stories straight. Who's going to listen the news media. :lol:

And I specifically remember seeing a video about the guys on the street when the planes struck, saying they heard other exlosions close by which had nothing to do with the planes exploding. Detonations maybe. Good job the media reported on that.... oh wait.

I think too many people also blame the news media as some super evil cabal, out to brainwash the public. I'll say this, the big TV news outlets are too hevily influenced by corporate money to be 100% objective. But there are so many smaller news organizations run by objective people who care about the truth. Not to mention the international press.
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#26 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

this is why 9/11 ct lose so much credibility.. they cant keep thier stories straight...

Hoobinator

Maybe they don't have an adequate platform to keep their stories straight. Who's going to listen the news media. :lol:

And I specifically remember seeing a video about the guys on the street when the planes struck, saying they heard other exlosions close by which had nothing to do with the planes exploding. Detonations maybe. Good job the media reported on that.... oh wait.

so were there planes or not? or bombs, or both?? pick a story already...

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...Thousands of people saw the plane hit the tower (my momactually worked with a person whodied in that very tower)...Quite frankly this is getting pathetic....Whats next giant mole people took a chunk out of the pentagon

Also this still doesn't explain Bin Laden counting the airplanes as they hit or the missing airplane which people all over New York saw hit the tower

You guys areguys seeing what you want to see out of a blurry video...All the debunks in the world aren't going to disprove people who don't want to be wrong

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

this is why 9/11 ct lose so much credibility.. they cant keep thier stories straight...

Hoobinator

Maybe they don't have an adequate platform to keep their stories straight. Who's going to listen the news media. :lol:

And I specifically remember seeing a video about the guys on the street when the planes struck, saying they heard other exlosions close by which had nothing to do with the planes exploding. Detonations maybe. Good job the media reported on that.... oh wait.

????? You need a platform to keep your stories straight? No, you need the truth, but you don't have that and without it , you don't have a platform, which is why none of your 100,000 stories match and its why none of them have any stable ground to stand on.

And yes, the media DID report the people that thought they hea explosions. That's where you cts get all of your footage from- the media. So every time you see a vide oof some jack*** saying he herd what sounded like explosions, the media gave that footage to you, so don't come in here telling us that the media is censoring the "truth" because 100% of your media comes from the media. This includes all sounds files as well.

No matter where it came from, it doesn't explain how a normal civilian would be able to distinguish between a loud bang noise coming from the compression of air and the detonation of an explosive device. That would render your entire argument useless.

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Oh well. Looks like whoever wants control of the world is finding it difficult to win in Iraq and Afghanistan anyway. If 9/11 was an inside job they ****** up when they went to war with nations who are humiliating them now. :DHoobinator
Afghanistan was a war we needed to fight.Anyways we have plenty of bombs left to drop on Iraq.
The only thing embarrassing are the people that believe in this crap.
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#30 Darthmatt
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

this is why 9/11 ct lose so much credibility.. they cant keep thier stories straight...

DeeJayInphinity

Maybe they don't have an adequate platform to keep their stories straight. Who's going to listen the news media. :lol:

And I specifically remember seeing a video about the guys on the street when the planes struck, saying they heard other exlosions close by which had nothing to do with the planes exploding. Detonations maybe. Good job the media reported on that.... oh wait.

No matter where it came from, it doesn't explain how a normal civilian would be able to distinguish between a loud bang noise coming from the compression of air and the detonation of an explosive device. That would render your entire argument useless.

Good point. I dont think many people take into account the volume of air inside a sealed building and what would happen if you all the sudden stated compressing it.
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#31 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

this is why 9/11 ct lose so much credibility.. they cant keep thier stories straight...

DeeJayInphinity

Maybe they don't have an adequate platform to keep their stories straight. Who's going to listen the news media. :lol:

And I specifically remember seeing a video about the guys on the street when the planes struck, saying they heard other exlosions close by which had nothing to do with the planes exploding. Detonations maybe. Good job the media reported on that.... oh wait.

????? You need a platform to keep your stories straight? No, you need the truth, but you don't have that and without it , you don't have a platform, which is why none of your 100,000 stories match and its why none of them have any stable ground to stand on.

And yes, the media DID report the people that thought they hea explosions. That's where you cts get all of your footage from- the media. So every time you see a vide oof some jack*** saying he herd what sounded like explosions, the media gave that footage to you, so don't come in here telling us that the media is censoring the "truth" because 100% of your media comes from the media. This includes all sounds files as well.

No matter where it came from, it doesn't explain how a normal civilian would be able to distinguish between a loud bang noise coming from the compression of air and the detonation of an explosive device. That would render your entire argument useless.

i always liked the "it sounded like a missle" quote thats thrown around a lot wrt the pentagon. how many of these ppl have actually heard a missle in real life for reference. how many people have heard what it sounds like when an aircraft flying at high speed hits a building actually sounds like? there's no reference in thier minds as to what they heard so at best they can guess. a more appropriate quote should probably be "it sounded like what i heard missles sound like in movies" or something along those lines...

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#32 Putzwapputzen
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dont you mean "has" .......anyways, anything 9/11 related just makes me sad :(
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#33 H3llstrike
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this is blown me away


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Er didn't like most of New York watch the planes hit the towers from the street? And if they didn't see planes i think they would of said something don't you?

The second plane hit LIVE on T.V when will people get this thru there thick heads millions of us saw it LIVE. So millions of Americans made up the second plane hitting live? These stupid topics are not based in reality whatsoever. Now you guys want to talk about real conspiracies try UFO's and our government there is a massive conspiracy there that is REAL.
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#34 Darthmatt
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[QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="areyoumad"]

this is blown me away


H3llstrike

Er didn't like most of New York watch the planes hit the towers from the street? And if they didn't see planes i think they would of said something don't you?

The second plane hit LIVE on T.V when will people get this thru there thick heads millions of us saw it LIVE. So millions of Americans made up the second plane hitting live? These stupid topics are not based in reality whatsoever. Now you guys want to talk about real conspiracies try UFO's and our government there is a massive conspiracy there that is REAL.

I get so pissed at these CT because I remeber how pissed I was when I watched the 2nd plane crash into the WTC live on TV.
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[QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="areyoumad"]

this is blown me away


H3llstrike

Er didn't like most of New York watch the planes hit the towers from the street? And if they didn't see planes i think they would of said something don't you?

The second plane hit LIVE on T.V when will people get this thru there thick heads millions of us saw it LIVE. So millions of Americans made up the second plane hitting live? These stupid topics are not based in reality whatsoever. Now you guys want to talk about real conspiracies try UFO's and our government there is a massive conspiracy there that is REAL.

It's weird, they're so delusional that it's just sad and depressing to watch them try and spin everything into a conspiracy. They try really, really hard though. That's what's so sad.

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In the end, none of you know what actually happened...

I'm just going to remain neutral.

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#37 Darthmatt
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[QUOTE="H3llstrike"][QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="areyoumad"]

this is blown me away


DeeJayInphinity

Er didn't like most of New York watch the planes hit the towers from the street? And if they didn't see planes i think they would of said something don't you?

The second plane hit LIVE on T.V when will people get this thru there thick heads millions of us saw it LIVE. So millions of Americans made up the second plane hitting live? These stupid topics are not based in reality whatsoever. Now you guys want to talk about real conspiracies try UFO's and our government there is a massive conspiracy there that is REAL.

It's weird, they're so delusional that it's just sad and depressing to watch them try and spin everything into a conspiracy. They try really, really hard though. That's what's so sad.

They want so hard to believe the government is so corrupt and evil its willing to commit mass murder on its own people this day and age. I think its more believable the government was too arrogant and incompetent to prevent this tragedy.
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[QUOTE="H3llstrike"][QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="areyoumad"]

this is blown me away


Darthmatt

Er didn't like most of New York watch the planes hit the towers from the street? And if they didn't see planes i think they would of said something don't you?

The second plane hit LIVE on T.V when will people get this thru there thick heads millions of us saw it LIVE. So millions of Americans made up the second plane hitting live? These stupid topics are not based in reality whatsoever. Now you guys want to talk about real conspiracies try UFO's and our government there is a massive conspiracy there that is REAL.

I get so pissed at these CT because I remeber how pissed I was when I watched the 2nd plane crash into the WTC live on TV.

My wife's good friends twin sister was at a meeting in one of the Twin Towers on 9/11 she was found alive a month later in a coma thank God she survived but everyone she was in the meeting died so it really makes me sick when all this foreigners and crazies make up the most absurd conspiracy so they can damn us. Us Americans probably hate our government more then anybody else but are damned at the same time for it's polices we cannot control. I never voted for Bush my conscience is clean. It's easy to judge Americans when you don't know any or never been here! If you guys want to believe in conspiracies that's fine but these are OUR loved ones you are defaming! Jesus let these people rest in peace!
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This is a job that only the hardly boys could handle.

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#40 Darthmatt
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="H3llstrike"][QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="areyoumad"]

this is blown me away


H3llstrike

Er didn't like most of New York watch the planes hit the towers from the street? And if they didn't see planes i think they would of said something don't you?

The second plane hit LIVE on T.V when will people get this thru there thick heads millions of us saw it LIVE. So millions of Americans made up the second plane hitting live? These stupid topics are not based in reality whatsoever. Now you guys want to talk about real conspiracies try UFO's and our government there is a massive conspiracy there that is REAL.

I get so pissed at these CT because I remeber how pissed I was when I watched the 2nd plane crash into the WTC live on TV.

Us Americans probably hate our government more then anybody else but are damned at the same time for it's polices we cannot control. I never voted for Bush my conscience is clean. It's easy to judge Americans when you don't know any or never been here! If you guys want to believe in conspiracies that's fine but these are OUR loved ones you are defaming! Jesus let these people rest in peace!

I feel the same way.
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#41 deactivated-612079a2c3358
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The creator of the video never suggested there were no planes. As he says in the description of the video

This film is not promoting the "no-planes" theory, only the "altered news video" theory - draw your own conclusions.

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*sigh* I can't believe that people actually buy into these internet conspiracy theories.
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#43 comp_atkins
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The creator of the video never suggested there were no planes. As he says in the description of the video

This film is not promoting the "no-planes" theory, only the "altered news video" theory - draw your own conclusions.

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both are weak. first the still cam shot likely was from the esb. despite the video creator trying to make it look like it must have been higher with bad close-ups and cgi overlays. second, the still camera was more likely older than the heicopter camera, probably a lower resolution, dirty, much further away from the wtc, and generally lower spec. camera since its just sitting there staring downtown all the time and not used to capture car chases.. so its not surprising that the picture is not up to snuff when compared to the helicopter camera..

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#44 spam-Robot
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This IS blown me away? Whaaa?
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#45 Brainkiller05
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sorry but i still believe ousama binladen is responsible.ONLYwaiL
Why? you decide to be ignorant on the matter? the video is there, you didn't even watch it... maybe if you were open minded on things you would have a differnet opinion