In the 1990's the United States was in the most prosperous and great economic times in our history and in 14 short years we have gone to the worst sense the Great Depression. How did it happen so fast?? (I'm only 14)
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
I blame Obama.
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Horrible troll.
You failed when you called Theo a troll.years of government intervention into the housing and banking industries created this mess. I guess more bank and housing intervention is gonna get us out :roll:
or caffeinated beveragesIt is because we reached the Apex of our greed and instant gratification. Downfall is always inevitable after a massive gain, Economies are like roller coasters.
honkyjoe
It is 100% the fault of Bush. He was an idiot. He is a big poop head. He smellz like turd in a samwitch. if I saw him I would spit on his ballz. kingyotoXI dare you say you wont miss him, even if its for the dialy lols
[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]It is 100% the fault of Bush. He was an idiot. He is a big poop head. He smellz like turd in a samwitch. if I saw him I would spit on his ballz. Splinter720I dare you say you wont miss him, even if its for the dialy lols He a big beotch he suk I wont vote for hm next year wen he run. HE STYUPID!!!
Clinton and Bush both manipulated the economies and made bubbles, and they both burst. Mostly related to the housing market. our economy is a great example of why Keynesianism(not capitalism) fails.In the 1990's the United States was in the most prosperous and great economic times in our history and in 14 short years we have gone to the worst sense the Great Depression. How did it happen so fast?? (I'm only 14)
oak199
I blame Obama.
:| Your joking, right? I can't believe you would even have to ask that...... This has been going on even before he got nominated....... What do you think ?Treasury ordered too much money to be printed and we didnt have enough Gold to back it up, therefore Inflation rises and the Economy goes to ****.Morning_RevivalWhy did treasury order too much money to be printed?
[QUOTE="oak199"]Clinton and Bush both manipulated the economies and made bubbles, and they both burst. Mostly related to the housing market. our economy is a great example of why Keynesianism(not capitalism) fails. I agree that Keynesian economics doesn't work well, if at all. Capitalism FTW!In the 1990's the United States was in the most prosperous and great economic times in our history and in 14 short years we have gone to the worst sense the Great Depression. How did it happen so fast?? (I'm only 14)
OT_Rage
The US has been steadily declining since Regan took office and instituted his insane supply-side economic theory espoused by now wholly discredited economists like Milton Friedmann and Arthur Laffer. He drastically cut marginal tax rates on corporations and the rich, assuming this would boost the economy. The reverse happened and the government experienced huge revenue shortfalls. So bad, in fact, that they couldn't even pay their social security obligations. Regan was forced to institute the biggest tax increase in US history and just reamed the middle class with FICA and SS tax increases. In order to cover up just how badly his economic policies were failing, he went on an insane borrowing binge and ran up a debt greater than all previous US presidents combined.
To make matters worse, he opened the flood gates to foreign ownership of US assets in order to secure said loans from places like Japan and Saudi Arabia. Money and profits that used to stay in the US and get re-invested in the US economy and infrastructure instead went overseas and built up the economies and infrastructure of Japan and the house of Saud. The US began to lose its manufacturing base and, as such, the only real engine of wealth generation. Debt and deficits climbed as traditional industries closed or relocated. The US went from being the world's leading creditor nation and leading manufacturer of finished goods to becoming the world's number one debtor nation and importer of finished goods. It also went from being an importer of raw materials to being an exporter.
The middle class got screwed as the tax burden formerly paid by corporations and the richest 1% got shifted onto their backs. Pay and benefits shrunk and tax burden went up.
Bush Sr, tried to claw back some of the excesses but refused to raise taxes on corporations. Instead, he cranked up taxes on the middle class again and lost the election to Clinton.
Clinton ran on a platform of trade unionism, but turned his back on them the moment he got elected and he took the idiotic "Free trade" theories of Friedman and signed onto NAFTA, GATT, and later the WTO. Ross Perot warned that if Clinton went ahead and signed onto NAFTA, you'd hear a giant sucking sound as jobs left the US in favour of 3rd world hellholes and he was exactly right. Clinton's policies gutted what was left of the manufacturing base in the US. Corporations became transnational and the US could no longer effectively levy taxes as they'd just offshore and, thanks to "free trade", enjoy the benefits of the US market without having to incur any of the costs of the upkeep that market required. Massive corporate mergers took place, the big fish ate the little ones, and we were left at the mercies of virtual monopolies in most strategic sectors.
Bush, Jr borrowed like a drunken sailor and drove debt to insane levels, selling off mroe than 50% of US holding into foreign ownership, chiefly China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia. At the same time, he cut regulations and oversight on banks, investment houses, the energy market, and pretty much anything else Cheney told him too. The result? Massive corporate fraud, unregulated and unmonitored leveraging, and the collapse of the whole house of cards. The ENRON fiasco should've served as a warning, but it was quickly forgotten about after Sept.11th.
The US no longer has any sort of meaningful manufacturing base and virtually the entire economy is based simply on arbitrage, which is creating money by manipulating markets. Nothing is ever created in such a system, so no real wealth is ever generated.
Obama's refusal to do anything regarding systemic change means we're doomed to further "corrections" and contractions. We need another set of Roosevelts to bust the monopolies, re-regulate the markets, make the borders less porous, and return manufacturing to the US. With the likes of Timmy Geitner running the show, that won't happen. We'll just continue backsliding into a society more like that of Charles Dickens' time, with a few super rich at the top, a small middle class, and a huge under class of the working poor.
Irresponsible investments and irresponsible borrowing with the inability to pay it back.aRE-you-AFraidIt's greed and or ignorance that caused the borrowing and investments but it's still greed keeping the money away from the people who are in trouble right now. Where did all that money go? Would be funny if the trail went to people who needed the money even more, but i somehow doubt it.
[QUOTE="Morning_Revival"]Treasury ordered too much money to be printed and we didnt have enough Gold to back it up, therefore Inflation rises and the Economy goes to ****.KungfuKittenWhy did treasury order too much money to be printed? National Debt.
In short: Bad banks gave bad people money for homes, banks fall, housing market falls, people lose money in those industries, some companies crumple due to greed and idicoty, and now needless to say people have far less money, businesses have less money, businesses now have to lay people off and stop hiring.
[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="Morning_Revival"]Treasury ordered too much money to be printed and we didnt have enough Gold to back it up, therefore Inflation rises and the Economy goes to ****.Morning_RevivalWhy did treasury order too much money to be printed? National Debt. How come we have national debt?
The US has been steadily declining since Regan took office and instituted his insane supply-side economic theory espoused by now wholly discredited economists like Milton Friedmann and Arthur Laffer. He drastically cut marginal tax rates on corporations and the rich, assuming this would boost the economy. The reverse happened and the government experienced huge revenue shortfalls. So bad, in fact, that they couldn't even pay their social security obligations. Regan was forced to institute the biggest tax increase in US history and just reamed the middle class with FICA and SS tax increases. In order to cover up just how badly his economic policies were failing, he went on an insane borrowing binge and ran up a debt greater than all previous US presidents combined.
To make matters worse, he opened the flood gates to foreign ownership of US assets in order to secure said loans from places like Japan and Saudi Arabia. Money and profits that used to stay in the US and get re-invested in the US economy and infrastructure instead went overseas and built up the economies and infrastructure of Japan and the house of Saud. The US began to lose its manufacturing base and, as such, the only real engine of wealth generation. Debt and deficits climbed as traditional industries closed or relocated. The US went from being the world's leading creditor nation and leading manufacturer of finished goods to becoming the world's number one debtor nation and importer of finished goods. It also went from being an importer of raw materials to being an exporter.
The middle class got screwed as the tax burden formerly paid by corporations and the richest 1% got shifted onto their backs. Pay and benefits shrunk and tax burden went up.
Bush Sr, tried to claw back some of the excesses but refused to raise taxes on corporations. Instead, he cranked up taxes on the middle class again and lost the election to Clinton.
Clinton ran on a platform of trade unionism, but turned his back on them the moment he got elected and he took the idiotic "Free trade" theories of Friedman and signed onto NAFTA, GATT, and later the WTO. Ross Perot warned that if Clinton went ahead and signed onto NAFTA, you'd hear a giant sucking sound as jobs left the US in favour of 3rd world hellholes and he was exactly right. Clinton's policies gutted what was left of the manufacturing base in the US. Corporations became transnational and the US could no longer effectively levy taxes as they'd just offshore and, thanks to "free trade", enjoy the benefits of the US market without having to incur any of the costs of the upkeep that market required. Massive corporate mergers took place, the big fish ate the little ones, and we were left at the mercies of virtual monopolies in most strategic sectors.
Bush, Jr borrowed like a drunken sailor and drove debt to insane levels, selling off mroe than 50% of US holding into foreign ownership, chiefly China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia. At the same time, he cut regulations and oversight on banks, investment houses, the energy market, and pretty much anything else Cheney told him too. The result? Massive corporate fraud, unregulated and unmonitored leveraging, and the collapse of the whole house of cards. The ENRON fiasco should've served as a warning, but it was quickly forgotten about after Sept.11th.
The US no longer has any sort of meaningful manufacturing base and virtually the entire economy is based simply on arbitrage, which is creating money by manipulating markets. Nothing is ever created in such a system, so no real wealth is ever generated.
Obama's refusal to do anything regarding systemic change means we're doomed to further "corrections" and contractions. We need another set of Roosevelts to bust the monopolies, re-regulate the markets, make the borders less porous, and return manufacturing to the US. With the likes of Timmy Geitner running the show, that won't happen. We'll just continue backsliding into a society more like that of Charles Dickens' time, with a few super rich at the top, a small middle class, and a huge under class of the working poor.
bogaty
[QUOTE="Morning_Revival"][QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] Why did treasury order too much money to be printed? KungfuKittenNational Debt. How come we have national debt?
Ever since FDR tried to get us out of the Depression with all of his relief programs and welfare agencies, the government has been spending much more money than it has been collecting through taxes each year (with the exception of TWO YEARS under Clinton).
Treasury ordered too much money to be printed and we didnt have enough Gold to back it up, therefore Inflation rises and the Economy goes to ****.Morning_Revival
Uh, no? We have almost 0 inflation right now.
Back in the '80s, both parties began a push to get lower income people and people with shaky credit house loans. Fast forward to 2006 and loans have been given out with crazy terms and conditions; a bubble forms. Fast forward to 2007, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers go under because of bad investments, soon WaMu is seized and Wachovia crippled by bad investments. AIG, Morgan Stanly, etc all start to crash.
AIG was taken down because it was insuring these bad assets, guaranteeing these banks that their investments (mortgages) were 100% safe as they were insured. These investments were made all over the world.
The car industry also threatend a possible collapse and is being propped up now.
There are also other factors such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the SEC.
National debt has nothing to do with this, yet. This will come into play as tax dollars fall because of the recession and nations stop lending to us, similar to what is happening to the UK right now.
EDIT: Oh and we're not in the worst shape, Europe and Asia are deeper in the crapper than we are. Watch them, what happens to them tends to happen to us in the future.
Treasury ordered too much money to be printed and we didnt have enough Gold to back it up, therefore Inflation rises and the Economy goes to ****.Morning_Revival
What are you talking about?
1) We havent been on the gold standard in a long time.
2) We are headed towards deflation, not inflation.
wow, that is pretty much it.The US has been steadily declining since Regan took office and instituted his insane supply-side economic theory espoused by now wholly discredited economists like Milton Friedmann and Arthur Laffer. He drastically cut marginal tax rates on corporations and the rich, assuming this would boost the economy. The reverse happened and the government experienced huge revenue shortfalls. So bad, in fact, that they couldn't even pay their social security obligations. Regan was forced to institute the biggest tax increase in US history and just reamed the middle class with FICA and SS tax increases. In order to cover up just how badly his economic policies were failing, he went on an insane borrowing binge and ran up a debt greater than all previous US presidents combined.
To make matters worse, he opened the flood gates to foreign ownership of US assets in order to secure said loans from places like Japan and Saudi Arabia. Money and profits that used to stay in the US and get re-invested in the US economy and infrastructure instead went overseas and built up the economies and infrastructure of Japan and the house of Saud. The US began to lose its manufacturing base and, as such, the only real engine of wealth generation. Debt and deficits climbed as traditional industries closed or relocated. The US went from being the world's leading creditor nation and leading manufacturer of finished goods to becoming the world's number one debtor nation and importer of finished goods. It also went from being an importer of raw materials to being an exporter.
The middle class got screwed as the tax burden formerly paid by corporations and the richest 1% got shifted onto their backs. Pay and benefits shrunk and tax burden went up.
Bush Sr, tried to claw back some of the excesses but refused to raise taxes on corporations. Instead, he cranked up taxes on the middle class again and lost the election to Clinton.
Clinton ran on a platform of trade unionism, but turned his back on them the moment he got elected and he took the idiotic "Free trade" theories of Friedman and signed onto NAFTA, GATT, and later the WTO. Ross Perot warned that if Clinton went ahead and signed onto NAFTA, you'd hear a giant sucking sound as jobs left the US in favour of 3rd world hellholes and he was exactly right. Clinton's policies gutted what was left of the manufacturing base in the US. Corporations became transnational and the US could no longer effectively levy taxes as they'd just offshore and, thanks to "free trade", enjoy the benefits of the US market without having to incur any of the costs of the upkeep that market required. Massive corporate mergers took place, the big fish ate the little ones, and we were left at the mercies of virtual monopolies in most strategic sectors.
Bush, Jr borrowed like a drunken sailor and drove debt to insane levels, selling off mroe than 50% of US holding into foreign ownership, chiefly China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia. At the same time, he cut regulations and oversight on banks, investment houses, the energy market, and pretty much anything else Cheney told him too. The result? Massive corporate fraud, unregulated and unmonitored leveraging, and the collapse of the whole house of cards. The ENRON fiasco should've served as a warning, but it was quickly forgotten about after Sept.11th.
The US no longer has any sort of meaningful manufacturing base and virtually the entire economy is based simply on arbitrage, which is creating money by manipulating markets. Nothing is ever created in such a system, so no real wealth is ever generated.
Obama's refusal to do anything regarding systemic change means we're doomed to further "corrections" and contractions. We need another set of Roosevelts to bust the monopolies, re-regulate the markets, make the borders less porous, and return manufacturing to the US. With the likes of Timmy Geitner running the show, that won't happen. We'll just continue backsliding into a society more like that of Charles Dickens' time, with a few super rich at the top, a small middle class, and a huge under class of the working poor.
bogaty
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