How much trouble could I be in?

For fun we made a Facebook account of one of my teachers and somehow the school found out about some sort of sexual messages being sent from the account (I have no idea) and they're being forwarded everywhere and we could be in serious trouble. What do you think could happen to us? If I get charged, my life is over.

Same thing happened back when I was in high school, and identity fraud was the charge they threatened with. I'd run if I were you.

Wait, so you guys made an account impersonating one of your teachers? Well, I have no idea what'll happen, but I doubt you'll get charged with anything. You might get in trouble with the school, though.chessmaster1989

The teacher thought it was hilarious and I'm good friends with the principal but the school division is trying to get back everything deleted from the account and stuff, I haven't done anything wrong and I'm thinking I could be expelled or something.

Identity fraud... Lemme ask you this, is it really worth pretending to be someone else with the risk of getting in trouble over it?Nerd_Man

Dude, I had no idea it would come to this, it was just a simple prank.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Wait, so you guys made an account impersonating one of your teachers? Well, I have no idea what'll happen, but I doubt you'll get charged with anything. You might get in trouble with the school, though.RobboElRobbo

The teacher thought it was hilarious and I'm good friends with the principal but the school division is trying to get back everything deleted from the account and stuff, I haven't done anything wrong and I'm thinking I could be expelled or something.

Well the teacher would be the one who could file charges, so obviously charges aren't going to be filed. And if the teacher had no issue with it I doubt you'll get in much trouble with the school. Maybe you'll get a suspension at worst.

Depends how old you are and how much of a delinquent the school thinks you are. If it is your first offense I would think it isn't a big deal, especially if all you personally did was make the account.

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

Wait, so you guys made an account impersonating one of your teachers? Well, I have no idea what'll happen, but I doubt you'll get charged with anything. You might get in trouble with the school, though.chessmaster1989

People have gotten in serious trouble for stuff like this.

I doubt this would classify as 'Identity theft', it sounds more like slander/defamation to me.

Pack your stuff and run. RUN!

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Wait, so you guys made an account impersonating one of your teachers? Well, I have no idea what'll happen, but I doubt you'll get charged with anything. You might get in trouble with the school, though.Xeros606

He already said the teacher thought it was funny, so it seems very unlikely (s)he'll charge him...

Nothing will happen.

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved?

RobboElRobbo

I doubt this would classify as 'Identity theft', it sounds more like slander to me.

br0kenrabbit

Well we're right in the crossfire of people forwarding messages so there's no way I'm getting out of this until the other people are caught. This week is terrible, possibly the worst week of my life.

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

RobboElRobbo

Get out of the country, man. Mexico is probably your best bet. Sell shoe laces and other trinkets to make your way and live in a shanty town...

Well since you know the principle well and the teacher thought it was funny I dont see much happening to you.

Just wait till the dust settles and if you get a chance to ever to explain yourself to the school division, tell them your involvement, explain to them that even the teacher doesnt mind and how it was all for fun with no harm intended.

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

RobboElRobbo

Yep, everything ever put on Facebook can be accessed by Facebook operators.

Reminds me of all the fun I had, and of all the detention slip's I've had as well. :lol:

You make it really hard to believe that your 15.Dylan_11

Why?

[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

Duxsox56

Yep, everything ever put on Facebook can be accessed by Facebook operators.

Hahaha I just realized how ironic this is, right now at my school there is a big scandal over facebook and webworks. (hint: webworks=online homework) and they said that people were messaging answers and what not and I was wondering how the hell they could prove that and this statement sums it up.

[QUOTE="Duxsox56"]

[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

TehSupaBeatz

Yep, everything ever put on Facebook can be accessed by Facebook operators.

Hahaha I just realized how ironic this is, right now at my school there is a big scandal over facebook and webworks. (hint: webworks=online homework) and they said that people were messaging answers and what not and I was wondering how the hell they could prove that and this statement sums it up.

Yeah... it's a bad idea to say something on Facebook you don't want the school to hear, especially if you are in the school's network. My teacher told me that he has a friend that works for the Boston Globe and he said that there is a program that you can get that will let you view any facebook profile you want, whether you are friends with the person or not.

I also think that schools are given the ability to see what is discussed between students who claim to go to that school, but I'm not sure about this.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]You make it really hard to believe that your 15.RobboElRobbo

Why?

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

RobboElRobbo

Here's a tip...do not ever do anything that you need to not be retreived.

Because while it's certainly not the case that EVERYTHING can be retreived, simply deleting something does not necessarily mean it's gone.

You could type messages in Word about how you're going to plant bombs, or take a picture of you eating a hobo's fingers. Simply deleting that stuff does NOT automatically mean that it's gone. In certain cases, people can take your hard drive and recover the information that you "deleted". This is supposedly very hard, is usually only done in very serious cases, and doesn't always work. But in certain cases, it absolutely CAN be done.

And there, I'm only speaking about stuff on your personal hard drive. When we're talking about a facebook account...yes, I'm pretty darn that that CAN be retreived, a lot more easily.

Anyway, whether or not it WILL be retreived is another issue. As someone said, the big problem here is faking the guy's identity. And as long as he doesn't have a problem with what you did, he won't press charges about that. So you're probably in the clear for that.

As far as the sexual content, that's a different matter. Was that sexual content sent using the school's resources? If so, you very well might be expelled. I don't think you'd get in much legal trouble, but expulsion could certainly be a possibility. Aside from that though, I can't see you getting in much trouble (unless the pornographic material was child pornography). Probably just mild charges, if any.

[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

If there's sufficient reason to believe that the guy committed a serious crime, I'm pretty sure that a judge could subpeona Facebook to release the data.

Probably not going to happen, though.

I doubt this would classify as 'Identity theft', it sounds more like slander/defamation to me.

br0kenrabbit

Yeah, he certainly COULD get in a lot of trouble for that.

But from the way things sound, the people pursuing this are more concerned about the transmission of sexual content.

[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

MrGeezer

Here's a tip...do not ever do anything that you need to not be retreived.

Because while it's certainly not the case that EVERYTHING can be retreived, simply deleting something does not necessarily mean it's gone.

You could type messages in Word about how you're going to plant bombs, or take a picture of you eating a hobo's fingers. Simply deleting that stuff does NOT automatically mean that it's gone. In certain cases, people can take your hard drive and recover the information that you "deleted". This is supposedly very hard, is usually only done in very serious cases, and doesn't always work. But in certain cases, it absolutely CAN be done.

And there, I'm only speaking about stuff on your personal hard drive. When we're talking about a facebook account...yes, I'm pretty darn that that CAN be retreived, a lot more easily.

Anyway, whether or not it WILL be retreived is another issue. As someone said, the big problem here is faking the guy's identity. And as long as he doesn't have a problem with what you did, he won't press charges about that. So you're probably in the clear for that.

As far as the sexual content, that's a different matter. Was that sexual content sent using the school's resources? If so, you very well might be expelled. I don't think you'd get in much legal trouble, but expulsion could certainly be a possibility. Aside from that though, I can't see you getting in much trouble (unless the pornographic material was child pornography). Probably just mild charges, if any.

I mean a harddrive you can deal with. The simplest way of course is to simply smash it. A more cost-effective way is to use a program which will implement the necessary scrambling (I forget exactly what is done) to make previuos data unretrievable.

I mean a harddrive you can deal with. The simplest way of course is to simply smash it. A more cost-effective way is to use a program which will implement the necessary scrambling (I forget exactly what is done) to make previuos data unretrievable.

chessmaster1989

With the right equipment, you can read a smashed hard drive if the platters are mostly intact. Also, just because you zero a drive doesn't mean it can't be read...though it's not doable by the average computer user, it can be done.

The best way to destroy a hard drive is to drill five holes in it, all the way through it.

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I mean a harddrive you can deal with. The simplest way of course is to simply smash it. A more cost-effective way is to use a program which will implement the necessary scrambling (I forget exactly what is done) to make previuos data unretrievable.

br0kenrabbit

With the right equipment, you can read a smashed hard drive if the platters are mostly intact. Also, just because you zero a drive doesn't mean it can't be read...though it's not doable by the average computer user, it can be done.

The best way to destroy a hard drive is to drill five holes in it, all the way through it.

Wow, you rebel you.

Reminds me of that time I murdered that nun, chopped up the body and hid it under the floorboards of the local church. Hardcore dude.

Exactly five? What if they just drill a sixth hole in it afterwards. Will that repair it?McJugga

Use a bigger bit and you won't get six to fit very well.

I mean a harddrive you can deal with. The simplest way of course is to simply smash it. A more cost-effective way is to use a program which will implement the necessary scrambling (I forget exactly what is done) to make previuos data unretrievable.

chessmaster1989

Yeah, the thing is that people sometimes make the mistake of thinking "I didn't send the information over the internet, it's only stored on my hard drive, and I just deleted my hard drive. Hooray! They can't get me!"

And that's how they DO get caught.

Yes, with hard drives, that IS actually easier to deal with. I was under the impression that not EVERYTHING can be retrieved, that it's rather hard to retrieve it, and the whole thing can be bypassed by simply DESTROYING the hard drive. Yet people simply delete their files in order to not get caught, then keep that same hard drive in their computer where it is certain to be seized when the search warrant is performed.

Tip: do not EVER send any criminal data over the internet that you don't want to be later retrieved. Because the second that you send that data, you lose ALL control over whether or not that data can be retrieved. That's like filming yourself performing a home invasion, and posting the results on Youtube.

Tip #2: Okay, it stands to reason that I could have filmed myself doing the home invasion, saved that video clip to my computer, and then at the last second decided to NOT uploaded it to Youtube, since that would be too incriminating. The tip here is to destroy your hard drive and memory card. If the cops ever come knocking on your door with a search warrant, the first things that they will take are your computer and your camera. Delete what you want, there's still the possibility that some expert will take your hard drive or camera's memory card, and retrieve the data that you thought was gone since you'd "deleted it".

Tip #3: And just to be on the safe side, you'd might as well detroy the camera and the computer too. I don't think any such information can be retrieved from a computer after the hard drive is removed, but better safe than sorry. And as far as the camera...destroy that thing. Certain digital cameras save certain files to internal memory. Do you actually want to fret over any of that data went into your camera's internal memory? Furthermore, even if you did destroy the video/picture files when you destroyed the memory card, the camera is still potentially evidence since it was at the scene of the crime. Get rid of the whole camera. Destroy it, melt it, leave it in the bottom of a lake.

Not all deleted data can be retrieved, but a lot of it CAN. If you've committed a serious crime, you'd better ASSUME that that data can be recovered.

[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]You make it really hard to believe that your 15.Dylan_11

Why?

There's a bit more complexity to the story that I didn't feel like explaining because nobody would read it. I'm pretty sure I'm in serious trouble.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]

Why?

RobboElRobbo

There's a bit more complexity to the story that I didn't feel like explaining because nobody would read it. I'm pretty sure I'm in serious trouble.

well explain some more.

the more we know the more we can help.

such harmless fun will lead to expulsion tell them to prove it was you Deny and delete

such harmless fun will lead to expulsion tell them to prove it was you Deny and delete

Snakewiseman

your post dont make much sense:P

[QUOTE="Snakewiseman"]

such harmless fun will lead to expulsion tell them to prove it was you Deny and delete

your post dont make much sense:P

Haha could You really get into trouble for that? I think it is pretty funny. Why are they so serious over there?


Ow and stop being so scared of doing something wrong.

Don't really understand what's so much fun about that...but you did something wrong..i guess...so you'll have to deal with the consequences..

Can deleted stuff from Facebook actually be retrieved? Like, from what they've told me: school division and Facebook are reviewing this case.

RobboElRobbo

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I mean a harddrive you can deal with. The simplest way of course is to simply smash it. A more cost-effective way is to use a program which will implement the necessary scrambling (I forget exactly what is done) to make previuos data unretrievable.

Yeah, the thing is that people sometimes make the mistake of thinking "I didn't send the information over the internet, it's only stored on my hard drive, and I just deleted my hard drive. Hooray! They can't get me!"

And that's how they DO get caught.

Yes, with hard drives, that IS actually easier to deal with. I was under the impression that not EVERYTHING can be retrieved, that it's rather hard to retrieve it, and the whole thing can be bypassed by simply DESTROYING the hard drive. Yet people simply delete their files in order to not get caught, then keep that same hard drive in their computer where it is certain to be seized when the search warrant is performed.

Tip: do not EVER send any criminal data over the internet that you don't want to be later retrieved. Because the second that you send that data, you lose ALL control over whether or not that data can be retrieved. That's like filming yourself performing a home invasion, and posting the results on Youtube.

Tip #2: Okay, it stands to reason that I could have filmed myself doing the home invasion, saved that video clip to my computer, and then at the last second decided to NOT uploaded it to Youtube, since that would be too incriminating. The tip here is to destroy your hard drive and memory card. If the cops ever come knocking on your door with a search warrant, the first things that they will take are your computer and your camera. Delete what you want, there's still the possibility that some expert will take your hard drive or camera's memory card, and retrieve the data that you thought was gone since you'd "deleted it".

Tip #3: And just to be on the safe side, you'd might as well detroy the camera and the computer too. I don't think any such information can be retrieved from a computer after the hard drive is removed, but better safe than sorry. And as far as the camera...destroy that thing. Certain digital cameras save certain files to internal memory. Do you actually want to fret over any of that data went into your camera's internal memory? Furthermore, even if you did destroy the video/picture files when you destroyed the memory card, the camera is still potentially evidence since it was at the scene of the crime. Get rid of the whole camera. Destroy it, melt it, leave it in the bottom of a lake.

Not all deleted data can be retrieved, but a lot of it CAN. If you've committed a serious crime, you'd better ASSUME that that data can be recovered.