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#1 NSR34GTR
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Islam. A former chrsitan youth minister tells his story. i just came across it. its very intresting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY

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#2 LJS9502_basic
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Hmm...well the Bible leads me away from Islam. To each his own.
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#3 FamiBox
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I'm not watching that for 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Regardless, going from believing in one thing of which there is no evidence to support it to another thing of which there is no evidence to support it. Big deal.

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#4 NSR34GTR
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I'm not watching that for 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Regardless, going from believing in one thing of which there is no evidence to support it to another thing of which there is no evidence to support it. Big deal.

FamiBox
he presents the evidence in the video
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#5 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

I'm not watching that for 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Regardless, going from believing in one thing of which there is no evidence to support it to another thing of which there is no evidence to support it. Big deal.

NSR34GTR

he presents the evidence in the video

I mean evidence, not speculation.

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#6 mfp16
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The bible led me to atheism... I think that's probably a better story.
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#7 xTheExploited
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The bible led me to atheism... I think that's probably a better story.mfp16
You appear to believe in the flying spaghetti monster though? :P
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#8 joesh89
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I'll pass on the video thanks.

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#9 hiphopballer
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wow 1h and 20 minutes!? forget about it :P

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#10 Gordon-Gekko
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The bible led me to atheism... I think that's probably a better story.mfp16
Same here.
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#11 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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The bible leads me to sleep.

No joke. That's the only reason I have it in my dresser.

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#12 Snipes_2
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Hmm...well the Bible leads me away from Islam. To each his own.LJS9502_basic

Lol, I thought the same thing :P

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#13 Snipes_2
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I'm not watching that for 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Regardless, going from believing in one thing of which there is no evidence to support it to another thing of which there is no evidence to support it. Big deal.

FamiBox

There is evidence :|

For those that believe no evidence is needed, for those that don't no evidence is enough. And now I Bid thee Farewell :P

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#14 deactivated-5a79221380856
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[QUOTE="mfp16"]The bible led me to atheism... I think that's probably a better story.Gordon-Gekko
Same here.

I wonder how many nonbelievers the Bible have churned out?
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#15 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

I'm not watching that for 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Regardless, going from believing in one thing of which there is no evidence to support it to another thing of which there is no evidence to support it. Big deal.

Snipes_2

There is evidence :|

nope.

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#16 Gordon-Gekko
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

I'm not watching that for 1 hour and 20 minutes.

Regardless, going from believing in one thing of which there is no evidence to support it to another thing of which there is no evidence to support it. Big deal.

Snipes_2

There is evidence :|

For those that believe no evidence is needed, for those that don't no evidence is enough. And now I Bid thee Farewell :P

Evidence for the existence of God? Humour me.
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#17 Gordon-Gekko
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[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="mfp16"]The bible led me to atheism... I think that's probably a better story.Genetic_Code
Same here.

I wonder how many nonbelievers the Bible have churned out?

Haha, plenty.
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#18 Assassin1349
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Cool, I personally think that all religions are too preposterous for me to even consider them.

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#19 Snipes_2
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No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

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#20 FamiBox
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No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

Snipes_2

That's because there is no evidence.

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#21 LightR
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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]Same here. Gordon-Gekko
I wonder how many nonbelievers the Bible have churned out?

Haha, plenty.

Another one right here.
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[QUOTE="mfp16"]The bible led me to atheism... I think that's probably a better story.xTheExploited
You appear to believe in the flying spaghetti monster though? :P

If i had to sum up my belief systems,spaghetti bolognese would definitely fill a major part...
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#23 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

FamiBox

That's because there is no evidence.

Lol, See? Your view on the matter is prejudiced. Therefore, any attempt at an argument is pointless.

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#24 Gordon-Gekko
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No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

Snipes_2
So there isn't any evidence. Thought so.
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#25 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

Snipes_2

That's because there is no evidence.

Lol, See? Your view on the matter is prejudiced. Therefore, any attempt at an argument is pointless.

So because there is no evidence that makes me prejudiced?

Lmao?

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#26 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

Gordon-Gekko
So there isn't any evidence. Thought so.

The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.
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#27 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

LJS9502_basic

So there isn't any evidence. Thought so.

The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.

Exactly. Pulling the "No Evidence" argument is exasperating.

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#28 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

No, I will not "Humor" either of you. No matter what I post you'll just try and refute it and it will end in a pointless debate with nothing gained.

LJS9502_basic

So there isn't any evidence. Thought so.

The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.

It's not evidence at all.

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#29 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]So there isn't any evidence. Thought so.Snipes_2

The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.

Exactly. Pulling the "No Evidence" argument is exasperating.

Fine then. The flying Spaghetti monster exists cos I say so.

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#30 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Gordon-Gekko"]So there isn't any evidence. Thought so.FamiBox

The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.

It's not evidence at all.

No. That would not be correct to say. It's not evidence to YOU.
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#31 Peiner09
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I am very curious though, as a person on not christanity, what do the christians see as their proof?

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The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.LJS9502_basic
By that logic, you can use faith to justify any belief.
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#33 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.FamiBox

Exactly. Pulling the "No Evidence" argument is exasperating.

Fine then. The flying Spaghetti monster exists cos I say so.

You just proved my point. Someone didn't randomly say "Oh, Hey, God's a Cool name for a Being that is Infinite" (Writes Bible with Friends) :|

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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.LJS9502_basic

It's not evidence at all.

No. That would not be correct to say. It's not evidence to YOU.


It must be some pretty crappy evidence then.

Anyhow, I want scientific evidence.

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[QUOTE="mfp16"]The bible led me to atheism... I think that's probably a better story.xTheExploited
You appear to believe in the flying spaghetti monster though? :P

I just find that to be the most plausible of arguments... I was touched by his noodly appendage, what more can I say! :)
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#36 _R34LiTY_
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the bible led me to, um....theANNUNAKI !!! yea that's it.....

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#37 Peiner09
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Exactly. Pulling the "No Evidence" argument is exasperating.

Fine then. The flying Spaghetti monster exists cos I say so.

You just proved my point. Someone didn't randomly say "Oh, Hey, God's a Cool name for a Being that is Infinite" (Writes Bible with Friends) :|

so the fact that someone wouldn't have made it up for no reason is a point to that it's true? Or am I reading wrong. Seriously I'm curious what are the views?
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#38 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Exactly. Pulling the "No Evidence" argument is exasperating.

Snipes_2

Fine then. The flying Spaghetti monster exists cos I say so.

You just proved my point. Someone didn't randomly say "Oh, Hey, God's a Cool name for a Being that is Infinite" (Writes Bible with Friends) :|

No.. it was more drawn out than that.

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#39 mfp16
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Exactly. Pulling the "No Evidence" argument is exasperating.

Snipes_2

Fine then. The flying Spaghetti monster exists cos I say so.

You just proved my point. Someone didn't randomly say "Oh, Hey, God's a Cool name for a Being that is Infinite" (Writes Bible with Friends) :|

actually... that is probably exactly how it happened... just with more genocide murder and oppression mixed in...

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.Genetic_Code
By that logic, you can use faith to justify any belief.

I believe my car can fly. I have no proof of that. Thus I cannot justify that belief.
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#41 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The evidence is not the evidence you would accept. So why argue it? Without faith one cannot fathom faith.LJS9502_basic
By that logic, you can use faith to justify any belief.

I believe my car can fly. I have no proof of that. Thus I cannot justify that belief.

But you can't disprove their isn't an invisible magical flying car out in space.

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#42 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] By that logic, you can use faith to justify any belief.FamiBox

I believe my car can fly. I have no proof of that. Thus I cannot justify that belief.

But you can't disprove their isn't an invisible magical flying car out in space.

That is not my belief and thus has nothing to do with my response to Genetic.
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#43 Mr_Leonis
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The bible led me away from...the bible. :?
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#44 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I believe my car can fly. I have no proof of that. Thus I cannot justify that belief.LJS9502_basic

But you can't disprove their isn't an invisible magical flying car out in space.

That is not my belief and thus has nothing to do with my response to Genetic.

You still can't disprove it. That's the point.

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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I believe my car can fly. I have no proof of that. Thus I cannot justify that belief.LJS9502_basic

But you can't disprove their isn't an invisible magical flying car out in space.

That is not my belief and thus has nothing to do with my response to Genetic.

You guys should just ignore these guys. Dont let them get to you, its pointless.
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#46 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="FamiBox"]

But you can't disprove their isn't an invisible magical flying car out in space.

JudgementEden

That is not my belief and thus has nothing to do with my response to Genetic.

You guys should just ignore these guys. Dont let them get to you, its pointless.

It's OK. I won't let these religious folks get to me, it's pointless.

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#47 deactivated-5a79221380856
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You just proved my point. Someone didn't randomly say "Oh, Hey, God's a Cool name for a Being that is Infinite" (Writes Bible with Friends) :|

Snipes_2

God's a title, not a name. I highly doubt Judaism is the first religion to originate the term "god". In fact, it probably started from the polytheistic beliefs of the ancient Egyptians and atheists and Christians both believe that those gods don't exist. Your argument can be used to justify the Qur'an, yet the Qur'an and the Bible can't both be true because they contradict.
I believe my car can fly. I have no proof of that. Thus I cannot justify that belief.LJS9502_basic
Then religion is automatically unjustified as well since there is no proof of that.

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#48 JudgementEden
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[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That is not my belief and thus has nothing to do with my response to Genetic.FamiBox

You guys should just ignore these guys. Dont let them get to you, its pointless.

It's OK. I won't let these religious folks get to me, it's pointless.

My post was referring TO the religious folks, since you know, im one of them.
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the bible led me.. away from religion.
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#50 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] You guys should just ignore these guys. Dont let them get to you, its pointless.JudgementEden

It's OK. I won't let these religious folks get to me, it's pointless.

My post was referring TO the religious folks, since you know, im one of them.

I realised that. I think the non-religious are entitled to not have religious folk not "get to them" aren't they?