How would America be today had the Confederates won the Civil War?

Besides the US and the CS being divided, of course. 

Do you think the CS would have eventually abolished slavery?

Would the US and CS be like how North and South Korea are today? 

WW1 would have finished to south off. Not to mention Black guys captured richmond for the north, they would have cuaght it again eventually.The4thVIII

[QUOTE="The4thVIII"]WW1 would have finished to south off. Not to mention Black guys captured richmond for the north, they would have cuaght it again eventually.BMD004

They wouldn't be like NK/SK  because there weren't any nukes to threaten one another with.
I know that I would be a slave if the Confederacy won. 

I honestly wonder if slavery would be around today.

I honestly wonder if slavery would be around today.

MakeMeaSammitch

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I honestly wonder if slavery would be around today.

MakeMeaSammitch

The south did abolish slavery during the civil war I think.TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]The south did abolish slavery during the civil war I think.PannicAtack

We'd still be seeing Underground Railroad like actions taking place, with a hugh influx of minorities coming into the North. The South would be raiding soverign state in Africa for more slave.

I'm mostly joking.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]The south did abolish slavery during the civil war I think.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]The south did abolish slavery during the civil war I think.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Uhhhhh you sure about that?Treflis

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

OrkHammer007

The South never would have won.

Almost every northern soldier who signed up short of abolitionists did so to reunify the country.  Lincoln's goal was reunification.  The next president's goal would have been reunification, etc, etc.  They would not have stopped until the country was made whole again and the south could not last.

The white population in the south was ~20% of the north's (~6,000,000 in the south to ~28,000,000 in the North)...

All of the manufacturing power of the United States was in the North, most of the rail lines, almost as much farmland as there was in the south, etc...

The war was over from the start.

- The civil war would be remained something along the lines of the War of Northern Aggression.

- The nature of government would likely put more emphasis on state rights rather than the national government.

- Slavery and segregation would have lasted longer.

- The South might not have had the financial struggles leaving the war (though a war can be won with a cost, just depends upon how far you want the scenario to go).

- Though the South would be relieved of its taxes that when toward the North's industrialization, trade would likely be affected with the North. As such, it's hard to say whether the separation of the North and South would be good for the South. At the very least the North would loose a large portion of its income because of its lack of taxing the South.

Source: From the South and listens to old people bicker. As such, the sources are not the best.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

OrkHammer007

The south did abolish slavery during the civil war I think.TheWalkingGhost

- The civil war would be remained something along the lines of the War of Northern Aggression.

- The nature of government would likely put more emphasis on state rights rather than the national government.

- Slavery and segregation would have lasted longer.

- The South might not have had the financial struggles leaving the war (though a war can be won with a cost, just depends upon how far you want the scenario to go).

- Though the South would be relieved of its taxes that when toward the North's industrialization, trade would likely be affected with the North. As such, it's hard to say whether the separation of the North and South would be good for the South. At the very least the North would loose a large portion of its income because of its lack of taxing the South.

Source: From the South and listens to old people bicker. As such, the sources are not the best.

mindstorm

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

OrkHammer007

Its a pretty implausible scenario considering the US navy was vastly expanded during the war and southern trade with Europe was virtually stopped entirely, later in the war England and France unofficially/sometimes officially supported the Union simply to restore the trade as stockpiles and backstores of cotton ran out in Europe... Not to mention France, despite hefty American ambitions, would have NEVER intervened if Britain did not also intervene, and Britain was never anywhere near intervening.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. England nor France were anywhere close to allies with the South. They stayed far, far away because of the slavery issue. On top of that they didn't want another war against the U.S. Remember, The UK still controlled Canada and didn't want another North American war.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]I was referring to the books, where they were in diplomatic contact, due to the South's inexpensive cotton.OrkHammer007

>How would America be today had the Confederates won the Civil War? 

America would be more outdated in general than reality.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] That doesn't make sense. The South's cotton would have been cheap had they won or lost.KC_Hokie

Alternate history is a what if scenario and nothing can be seen as true due to it not happening unless solid research is done into the subject.

To your first question: I see no reason to think that slavery would have been abolished. The confederate constitution forbade states from abolishing slavery.

To your second question, aside from slavery both the north and the south have basically the same political and economic systems. North and South Korea, by contrast, have about as different political and economic systems as two nations can possibly have. 

The world would probably be a much difference place, For better or for worst I can't say.

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

OrkHammer007

I haven't read the Timeline 191 books by Turtledove (reading the Worldwar books right now). But I did read The Guns of the South, a standalone book he wrote, which was pretty interesting, but kind of silly. 

haitiBossPerson

The world would probably be a much difference place, For better or for worst I can't say.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

Chaos_HL21

I haven't read the Timeline 191 books by Turtledove (reading the Worldwar books right now). But I did read The Guns of the South, a standalone book he wrote, which was pretty interesting, but kind of silly. 

I tried to reread the World War books, but finding myself rooting for the Nazis in any capacity was starting to make my skin crawl.

You could go watch C.S.A.: Confederate States of America to get some comedic insight into the idea.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]The south did abolish slavery during the civil war I think.PannicAtack

If the south didn't get their butt kicked. There would have been WWI. Russia backed the north, the brits backing the south. And then other countries would follow suit.

Well my guess is World War 2 would have been won by the Axis since half of the US in the war probably wouldn't have cut it. For all we know the South could have allied with Axis powers too. Alternate history book anyone?

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

Read How Few Remain and the rest of the Timeline 191 novels by Harry Turtledove. He speculated that slavery would be dead by the 1880s, but the CSA would persist into WW II because of alliances with England and France (who silently backed them in the Civil War, and would have recognized their independence had they won) as a nation with a permanent underclass of blacks. The US, in turn, would be allied with Germany as a counter to the CS.

KC_Hokie

France especially was seriously considering allying with the South early in the war.  They needed cotton and if England had supported them, they might have gone as far as breaking the Union blockade to ensure regular cotton trade.  Support wasn't as strong in England, but a faction supported recognizing the CSA.

I thought it was pretty entertaining. Time travel + AK-47s in Gen. Lee's hands... fascinating stuff.

I tried to reread the World War books, but finding myself rooting for the Nazis in any capacity was starting to make my skin crawl.

OrkHammer007

That was one of the themes of the book. All of the non-Nazi characters can't stant working with the Nazis too (and most still see them as the enemy), but when it between that and enslavement by an alien race. They are forced to work along side the. One of the interesting things about the book is how it gives character to the aliens. They are not just some evil invading Alien race.