Human Nature is it man made?

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#1 Communist_Soul
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I believe human nature is made made and it evolves over time like destroying whole cities was somewhat normal though some of that has stuck around, the change in to monotheism can represent a change we want a more central figure, and where ever you went in the world there was a different way of doing things different morals as people in the west would never think about eating a dog while other people in the world love to eat them. Anyways what do you think.

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#2 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I suppose it is to a point..society is always changing and such...i mean..it used to mean you were wealthy if you were obese and/or pale...now it's the complete opposite...to be tan is now something highly desirable..but then again..some people just go about their way without really considering what society considers the "norm"..so i'm somewhat uncertain...we also have the factor of God which may come into play..although humans have "free will" so we basically create our own set of morals and such...meaning we can choose what we accept as morally correct and not..or socially correct..meh..i don't really know to be honest..and i don't feel like getting into an epic war about God and the like :x..

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#3 warownslife
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I'v got my own thoughts on this so other.

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#4 Grodus5
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I have long pondered "Human Nature." I do not begin to understand it, but when someone says "Its just human nature" I can't help but think its an excuse.

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#5 Saturos3091
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Depends on what aspect of human nature we're discussing here. There's some that I believe are inborn and others that clearly aren't.

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#6 metroidfood
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That's not human nature, that's relativistic morals. You can't really say that human psychology is man made since a lot of it is borderline instinct.

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#7 gameguy6700
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"Human nature" has the word "nature" in it for a reason ya know.
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I suppose it is to a point..society is always changing and such...i mean..it used to mean you were wealthy if you were obese and/or pale...now it's the complete opposite...to be tan is now something highly desirable..but then again..some people just go about their way without really considering what society considers the "norm"..so i'm somewhat uncertain...we also have the factor of God which may come into play..although humans have "free will" so we basically create our own set of morals and such...meaning we can choose what we accept as morally correct and not..or socially correct..meh..i don't really know to be honest..and i don't feel like getting into an epic war about God and the like :x..

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None of that has to do with instincts.

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#9 -Sun_Tzu-
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As an existentialist, I don't really buy into the idea of human nature.
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#10 Communist_Soul
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I mean like when people argue against communism that it goes against human nature-greed.

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#11 markop2003
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No human nature is only down to the DNA.
as people in the west would never think about eating a dog while other people in the world love to eat them.Communist_Soul
That's cultural, it has nothing to do with human nature.
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#12 markop2003
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I mean like when people argue against communism that it goes against human nature-greed.

Communist_Soul
Well it is human nature to be greedy for your own society and self. This is still evident in ambition and competition.
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#13 deepdreamer256
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It's a highly subjective term really.
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Humans are born into a set of "human nature" and the way that nature affects them and their family is how that "nature" will be passed on.

In a sense Yes it is human made, but then again if we go into religion then it's a different story.

Right now human nature is to follow money and get rich, other than that is seen as a "waste".

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#15 Frattracide
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I really don't understand the question. Are you asking if the concept of human nature is fabricated by people for some purpose?

If so, this is a really vauge question, what do you mean by human nature?

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one thing is for sure, someone on this forum is going to know the answer.
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#17 TheAbbeFaria
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It's a highly subjective term really.deepdreamer256

Which is to say what exactly, that you simply don't have an opinion to put forth? I'm sorry to be so harsh, but I have to wonder why so many call things un-objective or subjective in place of an actual argument or opinion.

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#18 Communist_Soul
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If you wish to know what Iam talking about watch: http://www.youtube.com/user/StalinsCoffeeHouse#p/u/9/79rguuw5gJE

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#19 Frattracide
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If you wish to know what Iam talking about watch: http://www.youtube.com/user/StalinsCoffeeHouse#p/u/9/79rguuw5gJE

Communist_Soul

I was kinda hoping you would just define some of your terms.

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#20 rlake
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Classic nature/nurture debate. Most widely accepted answer is both and, not either or.
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#21 HerrJosefK
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That's not human nature, that's relativistic morals. You can't really say that human psychology is man made since a lot of it is borderline instinct.

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For me, it is important to make the opposite statement simultaneously. Human behavior and culture (and thus psychology) are not strictly the product of "instinct" Instead, psychology and "human nature" are the product of a complex relationship between the two, instinct and culture, nature and nurture. To argue that moral relativism precludes the possibility of cultural influences on "human nature" seems like a fallacy to me, because it creates a standard for what human nature necessarily is, and human nature simply can't be constant, and it also undermines the philosophical concerns for what, precisely, human nature is. Furthermore, at least in terms of formal logic, it is plausible that cultural factors could influence what human nature is if human nature is allowed to vary and change. I think the TC's statement wasn't concerned with long-term changes over thousands of years, but of short-term fluctuations in morals in ethics within late antiquity through the modern era, in which case the argument for moral relativism is more valid. That is, the TC's argument may be validated by a concern for thousands of years, rather than a thousand years (though I'm not strictly subscribing to the assumption of the last two sentences). As an aside (unrelated to the topic), whether or not psychology is a construct really depends on the question. The concept of "psychology," the definitions of both disorders and relative normalcy, and the application of the discipline in care have been highly variable, and are strictly the product of culture.
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#22 Communist_Soul
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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

If you wish to know what Iam talking about watch: http://www.youtube.com/user/StalinsCoffeeHouse#p/u/9/79rguuw5gJE

Frattracide

I was kinda hoping you would just define some of your terms.

You seem not to know mine so someone else`s explanation would better.

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#24 Frattracide
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[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

If you wish to know what Iam talking about watch: http://www.youtube.com/user/StalinsCoffeeHouse#p/u/9/79rguuw5gJE

Communist_Soul

I was kinda hoping you would just define some of your terms.

You seem not to know mine so someone else`s explanation would better.

How could I know what you mean when you haven't defined your terms? When you ask the question "Is human nature man made?" What do you mean by "human nature" and what do you mean by man "made?"

When you say "human nature"

Are you talking about a predilection towards certain behaviours? Are you talking about the specific interactions of people in a society? Are you talking about the standards of a specific society?

Are you talking about something some people might define as instinct?

When you say "man made"

Are you talking about some sort of conspiracy? Are you talking about about some baseless assertion certain people like to make?

What are you talking about?

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one thing is for sure, someone on this forum is going to know the answer.Perd1t1on
and that person is me. the answer of course is divine intervention. the question then becomes why would God give us certain evil tendencies and I run out of answers.
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#26 chopperdave447
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we are a product of our environment. genetics plays a very limited role.
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It isn't a matter of nature vs nurture but of how much is nature and how much is nurture.
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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

I mean like when people argue against communism that it goes against human nature-greed.

markop2003

Well it is human nature to be greedy for your own society and self. This is still evident in ambition and competition.

What evidence do you have to support that statement? Not every individual is greedy, not every one takes pride in their native society, not every one displays ambition or a thirst for competition. Many Native American societies didn't have the same sense of personal ambition we have, their definition of the term would be recognition from the rest of their society for doing something that benefits their whole society. Many Native American tribes didn't have any ambitions of conquest, they simply traded with other tribes and lived by a philosophy of subsitence.

Yes, human nature is man made. It's not natural to be greedy or selfish, in fact if you want to look to nature most instances of animals most cloesly related to us show that if anything our natural instincts should be communal and to help each other. Human nature is simply an excuse started by religion under the original sin doctrine and perpetuated by whomever feels inclined to use it as an excuse.

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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

I mean like when people argue against communism that it goes against human nature-greed.

theone86

Well it is human nature to be greedy for your own society and self. This is still evident in ambition and competition.

What evidence do you have to support that statement? Not every individual is greedy, not every one takes pride in their native society, not every one displays ambition or a thirst for competition. Many Native American societies didn't have the same sense of personal ambition we have, their definition of the term would be recognition from the rest of their society for doing something that benefits their whole society. Many Native American tribes didn't have any ambitions of conquest, they simply traded with other tribes and lived by a philosophy of subsitence.

Yes, human nature is man made. It's not natural to be greedy or selfish, in fact if you want to look to nature most instances of animals most cloesly related to us show that if anything our natural instincts should be communal and to help each other. Human nature is simply an excuse started by religion under the original sin doctrine and perpetuated by whomever feels inclined to use it as an excuse.

I agree that the "human nature is selfish" is one of the most dogmatic an ignorant statements ever made promoted to further religious and capitalist agendas of competition and superiority. Anyone with a slight notion of evolution knows that we couldn't have evolved to where we are as primarily selfish animals. Even Darwin said that we are the product of "successful collaborators".
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#30 StopThePresses
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How can something create its own nature? That doesn't even make sense conceptually.
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#31 Blade8Aus
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My studies into psychiatry have lead me to believe that it is indeed man-made.

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How can something create its own nature? That doesn't even make sense conceptually.StopThePresses
It is as if they were Gods.
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#33 h8jlhbtw
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human nature has to be man made.

because we are humans we have invented our nature. we go to school to learn about human nature: psychology classes. and we are born with human nature in our brains when we are very so that way we know that it is man made.

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Maybe are nature is to destory citys and such (build and take down, and build back up).
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I believe human nature is made made and it evolves over time like destroying whole cities was somewhat normal though some of that has stuck around, the change in to monotheism can represent a change we want a more central figure, and where ever you went in the world there was a different way of doing things different morals as people in the west would never think about eating a dog while other people in the world love to eat them. Anyways what do you think.

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human nature wants to survive. and we survive by making friends and grouping up. back when we were cavemen we had to live in groups. and if our enemy came up to uswe would kill him. the people that could kill the bestwould pass on their killing genes to the next generation. but if we evolved where there was plenty of food we would nothave the meaness in us.but we didn't. And so at timeshumans can be meanlike a chimp.

and then we started to liveon the farm. but our old nature of fighting was still there. andwe go to war.

the change to monotheism could have been an accident. by chance it became the most popularalong the way by luck back in the romandays. the hindu indians have more than one god

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I like to fart out loud. I like to gawk at women's cleavages. I get a boner when I see pretty women in skimpy attire. I go into Kill Mode whenever I saw someone disrespect my family. I get jealous if someone tries to make a move on my woman. I sometimes think about having a harem. I don't think those instincts are man-made. Those are human nature. Stifling them is the man-made part.

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As an existentialist, I don't really buy into the idea of human nature.-Sun_Tzu-
as a skeptic, i'm not sure you even exist sir.......... /stares. and as a baked potato, i can't really hold down a job, because my co-workers all want to eat me. except Nancy. she hates potatoes.
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I suppose it is to a point..society is always changing and such...i mean..it used to mean you were wealthy if you were obese and/or pale...now it's the complete opposite...to be tan is now something highly desirable..but then again..some people just go about their way without really considering what society considers the "norm"..so i'm somewhat uncertain...we also have the factor of God which may come into play..although humans have "free will" so we basically create our own set of morals and such...meaning we can choose what we accept as morally correct and not..or socially correct..meh..i don't really know to be honest..and i don't feel like getting into an epic war about God and the like :x..

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None of that has to do with instincts.

ok well thanks for that..really..

I suppose i was thinking more along the line of why we behave the way we do and such...which would have been fairly easy for you to point out instead of just saying "none of that has anything to do with insticts"...

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#39 ex-mortis
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I voted yes but it is only so up to a certain extent. I would consider our most primal instincts, namely lust and competitiveness, to be "human nature" (it is just animal nature in general); however there's no denying some of the so called "instincts" are purely man created concepts designed to fit in with the morals and ideals of the Western world.

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#40 h8jlhbtw
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with some stuff its got to be both. Like hunting its got to be both the nature and the nurture

like a mountain lion has the natural instinct to chase. he is born with that. if you see acougar while hiking never run. because he might chase you.

but at the same time to beanaffective hunter, he's gotto learnthe specifics of hunting. he does this by watchinghis mom hunt and then by practing with pretend play

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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]How can something create its own nature? That doesn't even make sense conceptually.HerrJosefK
It is as if they were Gods.

It equally would not make sense to say that gods created the nature of themselves.

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#42 SgtKevali
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The nature of society can change, but some things will always remain the same. Greed, for example, has always and will always exist in society.

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[QUOTE="HerrJosefK"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"]How can something create its own nature? That doesn't even make sense conceptually.StopThePresses

It is as if they were Gods.

It equally would not make sense to say that gods created the nature of themselves.

you have to see how the original poster defined nature. these threads get crazy because everyone starts using there own defintions of what nature is. how are you guys defining it?

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#44 h8jlhbtw
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The nature of society can change, but some things will always remain the same. Greed, for example, has always and will always exist in society.

SgtKevali

greed is important because it helps us to survive. But working together helps you to survive also.

that is why we're a mix. we need both.