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#1 Lach0121
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we as people (all over the world) are being dumbed down..

look at the averages of people...

look at the averages of education.

"the average woman wants beauty over brains. because the average man sees better than he can think" this crap right here.

our standards/averages are getting lowered all around... except for technology, but profit holds that back.

sad thing there are more slaves in the world now then ever.

there are more people in denial then ever, and there is more corruption in the world now then in all of recorded human history (which i honestly think that half, and anyone with a brain would too, of history is BS)

but the sad thing is alot of the very things most of you support and believe in, killed, enslaved, and lied to more people than any of you could possible imagine....

its time for humanity to grow up...

an organism that fights with itself, is doomed.

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#2 DrSponge
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if anything we're more intelligent.
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#3 wii4panta
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Any proposals or ideas for that to happen? When we reach the bottom, only then I think we'd be able to change our minds.
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You forgot to mention humanities failing grammer.
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#5 The_Solid
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if anything we're more intelligent.DrSponge
true. Its that we dont apply our selves,my brother,who suks at studies,remebers the entire World of Wacraft map+Quest+Creep locations.Which is pretty damn impressive
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#6 Engrish_Major
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I think that things overall are getting better and better. It's just that you hear more and more now because of mass media.
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#7 horgen  Moderator
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Simply... We need to tell the truth and not tell lies right?
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proposal, do away with traditions and religions. enslaved wayy too much... both directlty oppose Change, we all agree on this (thats the whole basis of the definition of faith)

and without change,

we cannot evolve.

and im not talking about from fish or monkeys..

i mean humanity has not evovled since recorded history.. only technology has..

we still kill over the same childish ideas.... except we dont stone and hang anymore, we drop bombs.

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proposal, do away with traditions and religions. enslaved wayy too much... both directlty oppose Change, we all agree on this (thats the whole basis of the definition of faith)

and without change,

we cannot evolve.

and im not talking about from fish or monkeys..

i mean humanity has not evovled since recorded history.. only technology has..

we still kill over the same childish ideas.... except we dont stone and hang anymore, we drop bombs.

Lach0121
war will always be here and religion has no correlation with intelligence. i am an atheist.
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#10 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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Compared to what exactly? The 50s? :lol:
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#11 tbone29
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grammer.Theokhoth
:D But because it's you, I know it was intentional. :x
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#12 iam2green
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i have to say i agree that people are getting dumber as life goes on.
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proposal, do away with traditions and religions. enslaved wayy too much... both directlty oppose Change, we all agree on this (thats the whole basis of the definition of faith)

and without change,

we cannot evolve.

and im not talking about from fish or monkeys..

i mean humanity has not evovled since recorded history.. only technology has..

we still kill over the same childish ideas.... except we dont stone and hang anymore, we drop bombs.

Lach0121

you're crazy.

btw if you want to change anything then start somewhere where it's gonna progress... not a gamespot forum.

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#14 DrSponge
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i have to say i agree that people are getting dumber as life goes on. iam2green
orly. look at life in the 1800s, then look at life now. racism, sexism etc. do we have that now? yes but in lower numbers. i'm not going to mention the technology advances. i'm drunk so i hope that post makes sense >.>
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The quality of education for women has never been higher. The standard of living has never been higher. The percentage of the world's population being enslaved has never been lower. The chances of a corrupt politician getting away with his crimes has never been lower.

I think that about covers your post.

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proposal, do away with traditions and religions. enslaved wayy too much... both directlty oppose Change, we all agree on this (thats the whole basis of the definition of faith)

and without change,

we cannot evolve.

and im not talking about from fish or monkeys..

i mean humanity has not evovled since recorded history.. only technology has..

we still kill over the same childish ideas.... except we dont stone and hang anymore, we drop bombs.

Lach0121
I mostly agree. But humanity has evolved and will always be evolving. You just not notice it because it needs time. I also agree with the religion thingy. As long as we openly accept that there is a higher being than us which controls us (and we want that actually) we are slaves to our minds.
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#17 Lach0121
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well this is a perfect example of ignorance is bliss...

i put it out there, you all have to want to better yourselves.

too many people are comfortable with the viel of lies they permanently wear..

anyways.

its up to you.

be the best you can be....

not what someone else tells you, you can be....

live life for yourself.... i know its hard for you all.. but just try it.

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#18 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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There's nothing like over-dramatic 15 year olds.
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[QUOTE="iam2green"]i have to say i agree that people are getting dumber as life goes on. DrSponge
orly. look at life in the 1800s, then look at life now. racism, sexism etc. do we have that now? yes but in lower numbers. i'm not going to mention the technology advances. i'm drunk so i hope that post makes sense >.>

People are still greedy bastards but it's much better now than in the old days for most people around the world.

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The quality of education for women has never been higher. The standard of living has never been higher. The percentage of the world's population being enslaved has never been lower. The chances of a corrupt politician getting away with his crimes has never been lower.

I think that about covers your post.

Oleg_Huzwog
I think the last one isn't so true..
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You forgot to mention humanities failing grammer.Theokhoth
Spelling irritates me more than grammar mistakes.
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#22 SpidersRMe
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Do have any evidence that we're getting worse?
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#23 Lach0121
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

proposal, do away with traditions and religions. enslaved wayy too much... both directlty oppose Change, we all agree on this (thats the whole basis of the definition of faith)

and without change,

we cannot evolve.

and im not talking about from fish or monkeys..

i mean humanity has not evovled since recorded history.. only technology has..

we still kill over the same childish ideas.... except we dont stone and hang anymore, we drop bombs.

wii4panta

I mostly agree. But humanity has evolved and will always be evolving. You just not notice it because it needs time. I also agree with the religion thingy. As long as we openly accept that there is a higher being than us which controls us (and we want that actually) we are slaves to our minds.

humanity has evovled but only barely noticable in all of its BS of history...

now if we remove the rich ruling elites... banks,, corrupt governemnts (all of them). and religion all contribute to slavery..

then we can see the first real revolution this race has ever seen... and actually start to evolve... and not be held back by petty little ideas.

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#24 Lach0121
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You forgot to mention humanities failing grammer.Theokhoth

if you paid more attention to what the message said, instead of how the message was said, you might actually learn something.

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well this is a perfect example of ignorance is bliss...

i put it out there, you all have to want to better yourselves.

too many people are comfortable with the viel of lies they permanently wear..

anyways.

its up to you.

be the best you can be....

not what someone else tells you, you can be....

live life for yourself.... i know its hard for you all.. but just try it.

Lach0121

wow. just wow.

"be the best you can be... not what soemone else tells you"

lol

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Humanity has gotten more and more useless as we've relied on technology more and more. If you take away technology, we're suddenly defenceless.
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[QUOTE="wii4panta"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

proposal, do away with traditions and religions. enslaved wayy too much... both directlty oppose Change, we all agree on this (thats the whole basis of the definition of faith)

and without change,

we cannot evolve.

and im not talking about from fish or monkeys..

i mean humanity has not evovled since recorded history.. only technology has..

we still kill over the same childish ideas.... except we dont stone and hang anymore, we drop bombs.

Lach0121

I mostly agree. But humanity has evolved and will always be evolving. You just not notice it because it needs time. I also agree with the religion thingy. As long as we openly accept that there is a higher being than us which controls us (and we want that actually) we are slaves to our minds.

humanity has evovled but only barely noticable in all of its BS of history...

now if we remove the rich ruling elites... banks,, corrupt governemnts (all of them). and religion all contribute to slavery..

then we can see the first real revolution this race has ever seen... and actually start to evolve... and not be held back by petty little ideas.

Communism is bad, kids.
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

well this is a perfect example of ignorance is bliss...

i put it out there, you all have to want to better yourselves.

too many people are comfortable with the viel of lies they permanently wear..

anyways.

its up to you.

be the best you can be....

not what someone else tells you, you can be....

live life for yourself.... i know its hard for you all.. but just try it.

steelhokie123

wow. just wow.

"be the best you can be... not what soemone else tells you"

lol

sad thing is society has taught this to be viewed as a joke... which you seem to as well...

that is the trully sad thing.

anyways, its all up to you..

i put it out there, now use your thoughts for something that isnt bound by social control.

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[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="wii4panta"] I mostly agree. But humanity has evolved and will always be evolving. You just not notice it because it needs time. I also agree with the religion thingy. As long as we openly accept that there is a higher being than us which controls us (and we want that actually) we are slaves to our minds.jointed

humanity has evovled but only barely noticable in all of its BS of history...

now if we remove the rich ruling elites... banks,, corrupt governemnts (all of them). and religion all contribute to slavery..

then we can see the first real revolution this race has ever seen... and actually start to evolve... and not be held back by petty little ideas.

Communism is bad, kids.

lol

apparently that dude doesn't think so

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#30 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The quality of education for women has never been higher. The standard of living has never been higher. The percentage of the world's population being enslaved has never been lower. The chances of a corrupt politician getting away with his crimes has never been lower.

I think that about covers your post.

wii4panta

I think the last one isn't so true..

Breadth of media coverage has never been greater. Corruption and scandal make juicy headlines. Putting two and two together tells me there's never been a tougher time for a corrupt politician to do his thing.

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#31 steelhokie123
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[QUOTE="steelhokie123"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

well this is a perfect example of ignorance is bliss...

i put it out there, you all have to want to better yourselves.

too many people are comfortable with the viel of lies they permanently wear..

anyways.

its up to you.

be the best you can be....

not what someone else tells you, you can be....

live life for yourself.... i know its hard for you all.. but just try it.

Lach0121

wow. just wow.

"be the best you can be... not what soemone else tells you"

lol

sad thing is society has taught this to be viewed as a joke... which you seem to as well...

that is the trully sad thing.

anyways, its all up to you..

i put it out there, now use your thoughts for something that isnt bound by social control.

the point of that post is you're telling us how we should be
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If anything, there should be more slaves, I still haven't got one. And don't most organisms fight themselves? What about mating rights, territory, superiority. Humans are intelligent, but we're still animals. I think most of the bad in the world comes from our more base instincts, e.g. the lust for power (like most pack animals fight their way to the top, like a lion in a pride). Humanity has always had its bitter quarrels, they're just becoming more apparent because we're getting more and more powerful weapons. As for "people are getting less intelligent", you can't possibly believe that, right? More people are being educated now than at any other time in history. And it's quite a sweeping statement to say that the average woman wants beauty over brains. The thing about the world today is that the Earth (as it is today) couldn't cope with with living standards as high as the ones the majority of Westerners enjoy. Therefore, there's a spectrum of wealth in the world, there needs to be very poor people to be very rich people. Take some African countries. They're given money and aid, only for it to be stolen and abused by their corrupt leaders. The purpose of most human behaviour, it seems to me, is to become better than others, the strive for superiority. I think this comes from the animal instinct to fight your way to the top to be dominant, then being able to pass on your genes. We seem slightly doomed to this too. Take the USA for example. The founders wanted a land of hope and opportunity, a land where everyone would be equal. Of course, human nature has taken over and it's become a country where wealth and success seems to dominate how important a person you are. This, at least how I see it, has lead to the creation of a sort of aristocracy, the sort of things that people went to America to escape, and the things that America fought against. Anyway, I sort of got lost in thought there, so make of that what you will. In my opinion, humanity will be caught in an endless cycle of people fighting for equality, seeming to achieve it, only to fall into the trap of letting a gap between rich and poor come into existence again, only for people to fight for their freedom and equality again. I see the main problem today as greed, which I think comes from the animal way of thinking people have. It's actually quite interesting to see how much human behaviour is animal-like. Fights over religion are like fights between different packs of animals, lust for power is like a mammal rising through the pack to become dominant and be able to mate, hatred over anything different is like an animal trying to destroy all competition. I doubt the world would be any different if any other animal had evolved to our level of intelligence instead. The very nature of life is the fight for survival, and that's basically what's at the heart of the "evils" of the world today I think. I doubt the world will ever change that much. For every good Samaritan that helps you, there's plenty of others ready to walk past you laying on the roadside. I hope I'm wrong though.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]grammer.tbone29
:D But because it's you, I know it was intentional. :x

There was also the incorrect usage of the word "humanities," but since you didn't catch that, PhAIL!:x

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[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="wii4panta"] I mostly agree. But humanity has evolved and will always be evolving. You just not notice it because it needs time. I also agree with the religion thingy. As long as we openly accept that there is a higher being than us which controls us (and we want that actually) we are slaves to our minds.jointed

humanity has evovled but only barely noticable in all of its BS of history...

now if we remove the rich ruling elites... banks,, corrupt governemnts (all of them). and religion all contribute to slavery..

then we can see the first real revolution this race has ever seen... and actually start to evolve... and not be held back by petty little ideas.

Communism is bad, kids.

lol communism is no difference than capitalism... the only difference is (at which point the state intervenes)

why dont you all go look up : The Venus Project

this is what i propose, (though i stumbled upon it, it is closest to what i imagine a real society to be)

thats the only way i have found that humanity wont end up being its own end.

but view it openly... not through the same brainwashed views you have everything else.

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[QUOTE="wii4panta"] I mostly agree. But humanity has evolved and will always be evolving. You just not notice it because it needs time. I also agree with the religion thingy. As long as we openly accept that there is a higher being than us which controls us (and we want that actually) we are slaves to our minds.Lach0121

humanity has evovled but only barely noticable in all of its BS of history...

now if we remove the rich ruling elites... banks,, corrupt governemnts (all of them). and religion all contribute to slavery..

then we can see the first real revolution this race has ever seen... and actually start to evolve... and not be held back by petty little ideas.

This needs time though. Decades...maybe even centuries. There is progress though. Higher than you think.

The quality of education for women has never been higher. The standard of living has never been higher. The percentage of the world's population being enslaved has never been lower. The chances of a corrupt politician getting away with his crimes has never been lower.

I think that about covers your post.

Oleg_Huzwog

This is also mostly true! People are little by little realising that they ought not be tools of the government.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]You forgot to mention humanities failing grammer.aaronmullan
Spelling irritates me more than grammar mistakes.

Eh, itz all good in the neyberhood. :D

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I'm not quite sure, is this a debate thread?

And should I have used a colon or semicolon instead of a comma?

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If anything, there should be more slaves, I still haven't got one. And don't most organisms fight themselves? What about mating rights, territory, superiority. Humans are intelligent, but we're still animals. I think most of the bad in the world comes from our more base instincts, e.g. the lust for power (like most pack animals fight their way to the top, like a lion in a pride). Humanity has always had its bitter quarrels, they're just becoming more apparent because we're getting more and more powerful weapons. As for "people are getting less intelligent", you can't possibly believe that, right? More people are being educated now than at any other time in history. And it's quite a sweeping statement to say that the average woman wants beauty over brains. The thing about the world today is that the Earth (as it is today) couldn't cope with with living standards as high as the ones the majority of Westerners enjoy. Therefore, there's a spectrum of wealth in the world, there needs to be very poor people to be very rich people. Take some African countries. They're given money and aid, only for it to be stolen and abused by their corrupt leaders. The purpose of most human behaviour, it seems to me, is to become better than others, the strive for superiority. I think this comes from the animal instinct to fight your way to the top to be dominant, then being able to pass on your genes. We seem slightly doomed to this too. Take the USA for example. The founders wanted a land of hope and opportunity, a land where everyone would be equal. Of course, human nature has taken over and it's become a country where wealth and success seems to dominate how important a person you are. This, at least how I see it, has lead to the creation of a sort of aristocracy, the sort of things that people went to America to escape, and the things that America fought against. Anyway, I sort of got lost in thought there, so make of that what you will. In my opinion, humanity will be caught in an endless cycle of people fighting for equality, seeming to achieve it, only to fall into the trap of letting a gap between rich and poor come into existence again, only for people to fight for their freedom and equality again. I see the main problem today as greed, which I think comes from the animal way of thinking people have. It's actually quite interesting to see how much human behaviour is animal-like. Fights over religion are like fights between different packs of animals, lust for power is like a mammal rising through the pack to become dominant and be able to mate, hatred over anything different is like an animal trying to destroy all competition. I doubt the world would be any different if any other animal had evolved to our level of intelligence instead. The very nature of life is the fight for survival, and that's basically what's at the heart of the "evils" of the world today I think. I doubt the world will ever change that much. For every good Samaritan that helps you, there's plenty of others ready to walk past you laying on the roadside. I hope I'm wrong though.karriston
oh but earth does have enough resources, just the people in power dont want us using it, because they will lose profits.

and second the quote about women and beauty... was a quote off of someone elses sig on here.....

and i found it to be sad, which is why i included it...

the only way the world wont change is cause people dont want it to...

too many people are just fine with the way it is...

too many people dont understand potential...

and it is all help back by profit... determines education, skills, likes, dislikes, media, information... it determines everything...

its like diet foods, do you think that if you actually lost wieght with it, you would keep buying it once you lost all the weight... lol no you wouldnt, cause they would lose profits, so they just make it to where you really dont lose the waight they promise you will lose. lol.

profit..

anyways. im heading off now...

it is all up to yourselves...

you have your hand held in life from parents, peers, governments, tv, some god...

its time to take responsibility for yourselves. and once this is reached... humanity will trully start to grow in something other than sheer numbers.

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#39 Theokhoth
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I'm not quite sure, is this a debate thread?

And should I have used a colon or semicolon instead of a comma?

SpidersRMe

Yes, you should have.:x

As for this thread, I'm willing to bet that drugs are involved. Somewhere.

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[QUOTE="SpidersRMe"]I'm not quite sure, is this a debate thread?

And should I have used a colon or semicolon instead of a comma?Theokhoth

Yes, you should have.:x

As for this thread, I'm willing to bet that drugs are involved. Somewhere.

Colon or semicolon? It's one or the other, Khoth.

And I doubt drugs are involved. Just a failed attempt to be deep.

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#41 Oleg_Huzwog
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Yes, you should have.:x

As for this thread, I'm willing to bet that drugs are involved. Somewhere.

Theokhoth

The slaves of capitalism - they're the ones on drugs.

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

humanity has evovled but only barely noticable in all of its BS of history...

now if we remove the rich ruling elites... banks,, corrupt governemnts (all of them). and religion all contribute to slavery..

then we can see the first real revolution this race has ever seen... and actually start to evolve... and not be held back by petty little ideas.

Lach0121

Communism is bad, kids.

lol communism is no difference than capitalism... the only difference is (at which point the state intervenes)

why dont you all go look up : The Venus Project

this is what i propose, (though i stumbled upon it, it is closest to what i imagine a real society to be)

thats the only way i have found that humanity wont end up being its own end.

but view it openly... not through the same brainwashed views you have everything else.

You should use critical thinking when you're watching the Zeitgeist movies. The Venus Project is nothing more than updated Communism.
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Communism is bad, kids.jointed
The world has never seen true Communism.
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#44 wii4panta
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[QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="SpidersRMe"]I'm not quite sure, is this a debate thread?

And should I have used a colon or semicolon instead of a comma?

Yes, you should have.:x

As for this thread, I'm willing to bet that drugs are involved. Somewhere.

Colon or semicolon? It's one or the other, Khoth.

And I doubt drugs are involved. Just a failed attempt to be deep.

The general notion of his is quite decent though. Humanity should get better; I think this will happen though by the years.
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="wii4panta"]

humanity has evovled but only barely noticable in all of its BS of history...

now if we remove the rich ruling elites... banks,, corrupt governemnts (all of them). and religion all contribute to slavery..

then we can see the first real revolution this race has ever seen... and actually start to evolve... and not be held back by petty little ideas.

wii4panta

This needs time though. Decades...maybe even centuries. There is progress though. Higher than you think.

The quality of education for women has never been higher. The standard of living has never been higher. The percentage of the world's population being enslaved has never been lower. The chances of a corrupt politician getting away with his crimes has never been lower.

I think that about covers your post.

Oleg_Huzwog

This is also mostly true! People are little by little realising that they ought not be tools of the government.

yes and yes this is one of the key points im tryng to get out, but people say this but dont look at some of the key elements put in by governements and secret societies.... the biggest of which (world bank... and religion)

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Compared to what exactly? The 50s? :lol:jointed
this. right here. i hate it so much when people say "zomg teh wurld is going crazy!!!!1!" mother****er its been crazy. stop believing everything the news tells you. :|
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[QUOTE="jointed"]Communism is bad, kids.cubeCAT13
The world has never seen true Communism.

Of course not.
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yes and yes this is one of the key points im tryng to get out, but people say this but dont look at some of the key elements put in by governements and secret societies.... the biggest of which (world bank... and religion) Lach0121

Secret societies? Go on...

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Gentlemen...BEHOLD!!!
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="jointed"] Communism is bad, kids.jointed
lol communism is no difference than capitalism... the only difference is (at which point the state intervenes)

why dont you all go look up : The Venus Project

this is what i propose, (though i stumbled upon it, it is closest to what i imagine a real society to be)

thats the only way i have found that humanity wont end up being its own end.

but view it openly... not through the same brainwashed views you have everything else.

You should use critical thinking when you're watching the Zeitgeist movies. The Venus Project is nothing more than updated Communism.

actually same for you sir.

capitalism and communism are damn near identical when you take all the lies that both perpetrate.

but you will think you are right and i am wrong. lol be it as it may..

i disagree.