Hypothetical situation: Who is a better human being?

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#1 Deadly_Fatalis
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When were born, mentally we are all practically the same. Its how we are raised that creates out personalities. If Guy B and Guy A switched places, Guy B would act like Guy A and Vice versa.
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#2 Teenaged
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It doesnt matter "if we swap their positions", because the positions they were in made both of them what they are.

Change their hypothetical positions and you have two completely different people and most likely guy A will be exactly like guy B and vice versa. People are not born a way or another; they become what they are.

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#3 Furi-Kun
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Are you guy B?

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Guy B becomes better than Guy A, yes.
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#6 The_AI
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The Guy B description pretty much sums me up.

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#7 Chris_Williams
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..meh, the one who's willing to help others..is the better one no, questions asked

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When were born, mentally we are all practically the same. Its how we are raised that creates out personalities. .Deadly_Fatalis
uhhh are you sure about that? Alot of scientific research says otherwise. Things like humour, likability, good spirited. All types of personality can be linked to genes. Environment only stretches them to a certain degree. Everything is genes, looks, intelligence, even how easy going you are. Of course the environment can move these in either a negative or positive direction, we are not all born at the same local per se.
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[QUOTE="Deadly_Fatalis"]When were born, mentally we are all practically the same. Its how we are raised that creates out personalities. .STAR_Admiral
uhhh are you sure about that? Alot of scientific research says otherwise. Things like humour, likability, good spirited. All types of personality can be linked to genes. Environment only stretches them to a certain degree. Everything is genes, looks, intelligence, even how easy going you are. Of course the environment can move these in either a negative or positive direction, we are not all born at the same local per se.

I second this, I was about to post the something similar.

And I would say niether human being is 'better' they are mearly different.

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#10 Razor-Lazor
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I am Guy B. :shock:
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#11 SerbWarrior
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Guy B is the better one.

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#12 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Nurture has as much to do with how we turn out as nature. And your example of B shows that.....
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#14 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Ah seems like many people fit guy B. I knew there would be many people like that as I have personally experienced how a few things can change you. Maybe I have a shot at beng a philosopher.:P

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Do they fit B? Or do they think B is a better fit than A? Do we really see ourselves honestly?

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#15 SerbWarrior
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Ah seems like many people fit guy B. I knew there would be many people like that as I have personally experienced how a few things can change you. Maybe I have a shot at beng a philosopher.:P

Anonymous_2

Yah,you could bang a philosopher,im not sure how good they would be in bad,but,go right ahead XD

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]

Ah seems like many people fit guy B. I knew there would be many people like that as I have personally experienced how a few things can change you. Maybe I have a shot at beng a philosopher.:P

Anonymous_2

Do they fit B? Or do they think B is a better fit than A? Do we really see ourselves honestly?

I dont really get what you mean by "see ourselves honestly" so please eleborate a little.:)

Most people see themselves as B because he appears to be the better person. Few people admit their faults....

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#18 Derek42
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Guy B is the better human.

But Guy A gets hotter womenz so I say it equals up.

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#20 jimmyjammer69
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I don't think I'd measure a person's goodness by their potential but by what they achieve, however unfair that seems.
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#21 Wings_008
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they're the two faces of a single coin
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#22 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Do they fit B? Or do they think B is a better fit than A? Do we really see ourselves honestly?

LJS9502_basic

I dont really get what you mean by "see ourselves honestly" so please eleborate a little.:)

Most people see themselves as B because he appears to be the better person. Few people admit their faults....

On the contrary.

Most people identify themselves with guy B because from an aspect of whats wanted today in society (in a superficial level) - beauty, scoring with the chicks etc etc - they consider themselves unaccomplished due to low self-esteem.

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#23 EMOEVOLUTION
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When were born, mentally we are all practically the same. Its how we are raised that creates out personalities. If Guy B and Guy A switched places, Guy B would act like Guy A and Vice versa.Deadly_Fatalis
Unfortunately.. this is not the case.. for a time many people favored the idea that nurture influences our personality more than our genetics.. but that is being shown to be entirely false by scientific research into how genetics work. Most of us have predetermined personality traits.. and those traits can be influenced by what we're exposed to in life.. but more on a physical level than a mental one.. specific chemicals, lack of oxygen, poor nutrients.. etc.. Generally your personality is limited to your specific genetics and can never exceed that or become something else. But don't take my word for it.. do the research yourself.. don't bother with any information older than 5 years. Preferably over the last 2-3 would be best.
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Generally your personality is limited to your specific genetics and can never exceed that or become something else.Anonymous_2

That is a very bold statement and needs mountains of evidence to be taken seriously...

I agree. People are all to quick to jump onto the genome bandwagon as an answer to everything from eating habits to wealth. Take a look at feral children and tell us that behaviour has nothing to do with upbringing.
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#26 LJS9502_basic  Online
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On the contrary.

Most people identify themselves with guy B because from an aspect of whats wanted today in society (in a superficial level) - beauty, scoring with the chicks etc etc - they consider themselves unaccomplished due to low self-esteem.

Teenaged

That assumes everyone has low self esteem. That is just not true.:|

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#27 pygmahia5
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im going with guy b. did i win!?
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#28 mramz88
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im such guy a
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#29 10thwonder
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Guy B is the better one.

SerbWarrior

I agree he is a better human being, but Guy A will be more successful in life.

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#30 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

On the contrary.

Most people identify themselves with guy B because from an aspect of whats wanted today in society (in a superficial level) - beauty, scoring with the chicks etc etc - they consider themselves unaccomplished due to low self-esteem.

LJS9502_basic

That assumes everyone has low self esteem. That is just not true.:|

From my experience the average person, yes, does have insecurities.

Self-confidence is a rarity, and isoften achieved while having insecurities one time in ones life.

PS: I didnt say everyone, now did I?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

On the contrary.

Most people identify themselves with guy B because from an aspect of whats wanted today in society (in a superficial level) - beauty, scoring with the chicks etc etc - they consider themselves unaccomplished due to low self-esteem.

Teenaged

That assumes everyone has low self esteem. That is just not true.:|

From my experience the average person, yes, does have insecurities.

Self-confidence is a rarity, and isoften achieved while having insecurities one time in ones life.

PS: I didnt say everyone, now did I?

Your perception =/= fact.

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#32 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That assumes everyone has low self esteem. That is just not true.:|

LJS9502_basic

From my experience the average person, yes, does have insecurities.

Self-confidence is a rarity, and isoften achieved while having insecurities one time in ones life.

PS: I didnt say everyone, now did I?

Your perception =/= fact.

While your perception is that most people dont admit the mistakes to the point where that evolves into a complex of them thinkinf of themselves as the prototype which appears nice in order to cover that up.

Well, your perception is much more far fetched and in any case in the worst of cases (for me) as invalid as mine. ;)

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#33 1hit
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Honestly guy B is the same as A, its just the fact that he was not as handsome as A. If he was not "deprived" on his looks, he would never have changed his outlook on life.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]From my experience the average person, yes, does have insecurities.

Self-confidence is a rarity, and isoften achieved while having insecurities one time in ones life.

PS: I didnt say everyone, now did I?

Teenaged

Your perception =/= fact.

While your perception is that most people dont admit the mistakes to the point where that evolves into a complex of them thinkinf of themselves as the prototype which appears nice in order to cover that up.

Well, your perception is much more far fetched and in any case in the worst of cases (for me) as invalid as mine. ;)

Well it's not my perception...it's from a psychology course.;)

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#35 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Your perception =/= fact.

LJS9502_basic

While your perception is that most people dont admit the mistakes to the point where that evolves into a complex of them thinkinf of themselves as the prototype which appears nice in order to cover that up.

Well, your perception is much more far fetched and in any case in the worst of cases (for me) as invalid as mine. ;)

Well it's not my perception...it's from a psychology course.;)

Oh well, I cant really answer to claims of knowing the subject in depth...

Besides I dont want to do what I dont want others to do to me when I am in your position.

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#36 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Oh well, I cant really answer to claims of knowing the subject in depth...

Besides I dont want to do what I dont want others to do to me when I am in your position.

Teenaged

Okay. Be cryptic.:x:P

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#37 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Oh well, I cant really answer to claims of knowing the subject in depth...

Besides I dont want to do what I dont want others to do to me when I am in your position.

LJS9502_basic

Okay. Be cryptic.:x:P

I just have to. I am under an oath of secrecy. 8)

:P

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#38 LJS9502_basic  Online
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I just have to. I am under an oath of secrecy. 8)

:P

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Ve haf vays of making you talk....>__>

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#39 Teenaged
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Ve haf vays of making you talk....>__>

LJS9502_basic

:shock: You will make me listen to The Cure?????? :shock:

*here starts spoiler, GS wont allow me to use*

:lol: Sorry for the joke. I have nothing against The Cure but that was so funny.... for me.... :P

sorry.... :oops:

:P

*here ends said non-existent spoiler*

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I'm guy C. The man that lives his life the underdog. Always wanting more. To be the best. Because my past was filled with unpopularity I became understanding to many people and their feelings. I understand the underdog. But also can try to understand the ones on top. I try to be nice although I am very cold. I believe life is what you make it. So yeah the other two suck in my opinion :P
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Ve haf vays of making you talk....>__>

Teenaged

:shock: You will make me listen to The Cure?????? :shock:

*here starts spoiler, GS wont allow me to use*

:lol: Sorry for the joke. I have nothing against The Cure but that was so funny.... for me.... :P

sorry.... :oops:

:P

*here ends said non-existent spoiler*

To hear ze Cure is to love them.:x

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#42 MetalGear_Ninty
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I know it hasn't been explicitly said, but there seems to be some sort of false dichotomy running through this thread that says you're either like guy A or guy B -- I personally don't feel like I'm anything like either of them. To answer your question TC, guy B seems like the better guy.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Ve haf vays of making you talk....>__>

Teenaged

:shock: You will make me listen to The Cure?????? :shock:

*here starts spoiler, GS wont allow me to use*

:lol: Sorry for the joke. I have nothing against The Cure but that was so funny.... for me.... :P

sorry.... :oops:

:P

*here ends said non-existent spoiler*

And we have a new emoticon density record >_>
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Ve haf vays of making you talk....>__>

Funky_Llama

:shock: You will make me listen to The Cure?????? :shock:

*here starts spoiler, GS wont allow me to use*

:lol: Sorry for the joke. I have nothing against The Cure but that was so funny.... for me.... :P

sorry.... :oops:

:P

*here ends said non-existent spoiler*

And we have a new emoticon density record >_>

Huh?

Explain Llama! :x

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#45 optiow
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Are you guy B?

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I certainly feel like guy B sometimes.
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#46 ufcfan17
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Guy B is the best

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#47 hamstergeddon
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Humans are pretty much a blank slate at the beginning. It's our environment and experiences that shape us.
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#48 shoot-first
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Guy B is much more cooler. :P

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#49 Theokhoth
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When were born, mentally we are all practically the same. Its how we are raised that creates out personalities. Deadly_Fatalis

Then why is it that two siblings can have vastly different personalities? Seeing as they'd be raised in very similar conditions, if it was as simple as nurture then we'd expect to see siblings always behaving the same way.

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Guy A is better because he is being true to his nature. Guy B is compromising due to his inability to live up to his nature.