I can't believe this is real...baby and cobra

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#1 MM87
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEVq_fGsY-o&feature=related Can you believe some idiot parents actually did this? That is awful. Why the hell isn't the baby crying? Wouldn't that hurt? And this video makes me happy I was born in America instead of some weird third world country where this stuff is normal.
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#2 gobo212
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Wow that's messed up.
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#4 DeeJayInphinity
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They probably took out its fangs.
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#5 MM87
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it's a premature baby.RPG-er
What's that mean?
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#6 RPG-er
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[QUOTE="RPG-er"]it's a premature baby.MM87
What's that mean?

sorry, wrong video. i read the title, i thought it said cobra baby. look it up if you want. but it's really sad.
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#7 Fandangle
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Messed up - the snake would have had it fangs removed.

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#8 atoria56
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You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.
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#9 gobo212
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You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.atoria56

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

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#10 atoria56
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.gobo212

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

Explain that for me.

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#11 DeeJayInphinity
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You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.atoria56
A lot of stupid **** is protected under "culture." Just because it's cultural or traditional does not mean it's good or that it should be protected. :?
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#12 atoria56
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Well I guess having a dog around a baby is just as stupid.
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.gobo212

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

No you can't, that's downright ignorant
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEVq_fGsY-o&feature=related Can you believe some idiot parents actually did this? That is awful. Why the hell isn't the baby crying? Wouldn't that hurt? And this video makes me happy I was born in America instead of some weird third world country where this stuff is normal.MM87

Simply put, the snake has been butchered. THat's why it's not hurting the baby.

Think about this from the snake's perspective. It was minding its own business when it was caught. It was then sliced up, with its fangs pulled out and its venom glands likely removed. The snake is confused, scared, and in a lot of pain, and then it's thrown into a pit with a bigass baby who just keeps on coming at it.

**** the baby, I feel sorry for the snake.

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Well I guess having a dog around a baby is just as stupid.atoria56
How so? :? As long as its trained properly, there shouldn't be a problem..
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#16 Wetall_basic
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I'm assuming the snakes has been defanged. Otherwise the baby would be in pain. Meh, if it's not hurting the baby, I don't really care.
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[QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.atoria56

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

Explain that for me.

"At [the Enlightenment's] core was a critical questioning of traditional institutions, customs, and morals."

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Psh Draw
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#19 atoria56
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]Well I guess having a dog around a baby is just as stupid.DeeJayInphinity
How so? :? As long as its trained properly, there shouldn't be a problem..

Same can be said for the snake.

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#20 DeeJayInphinity
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="atoria56"]Well I guess having a dog around a baby is just as stupid.atoria56

How so? :? As long as its trained properly, there shouldn't be a problem..

Same can be said for the snake.

It doesn't seem "trained" when it's attacking the baby....
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#21 gobo212
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[QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.Toriko42

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

No you can't, that's downright ignorant

How is critical thought about established customs ignorant?

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#22 atoria56
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[QUOTE="atoria56"][QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.gobo212

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

Explain that for me.

"At [the Enlightenment's] core was a critical questioning of traditional institutions, customs, and morals."

People can knock you just as much. Using your beliefs as a crutch is no different than the "Traditional institutions, customs, and morals" that you judge.

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#23 gobo212
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[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="atoria56"][QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.atoria56

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

Explain that for me.

"At [the Enlightenment's] core was a critical questioning of traditional institutions, customs, and morals."

People can knock you just as much. Using your beliefs as a crutch is no different than the "Traditional institutions, customs, and morals" that you judge.

I encourage people to question my beliefs. That's the whole point.

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#24 atoria56
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="atoria56"]Well I guess having a dog around a baby is just as stupid.DeeJayInphinity

How so? :? As long as its trained properly, there shouldn't be a problem..

Same can be said for the snake.

It doesn't seem "trained" when it's attacking the baby....

Same can be said for dogs I have been chased by "Trained" dogs while the owner was with the dog. My baby cousin was bite by a so called trained dog.

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[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.gobo212

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

"Enlightened" according to who? The ones that follow those beliefs? Aren't they a bit biased?

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#26 atoria56
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[QUOTE="atoria56"][QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="atoria56"][QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.gobo212

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

Explain that for me.

"At [the Enlightenment's] core was a critical questioning of traditional institutions, customs, and morals."

People can knock you just as much. Using your beliefs as a crutch is no different than the "Traditional institutions, customs, and morals" that you judge.

I encourage people to question my beliefs. That's the whole point.

Ok well that is your stance on that. I can respect you for that.

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You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.atoria56

This is tourism fueled by western desires to see weird crazy exotic ****. Do you think they do this stuff for themselves? No, they stage this stuff for Americans (for example) who DON'T see this stuff on a regular basis and are likely to pay money for a good show. It's the modern day equivalent of a minstrel show, where a black dude might but on a "stupid black man" act so that white people might throw him a couple of bucks.

Having said that, as cruel as this is, the people doing it are likely dirt poor. And when you're in complete and utter poverty, feeding your kids is a little bit more important than being respectful of nature or treating your culture in a positive light. the hell with that, that baby needs to EAT, and people are gonna pay to see Cobra vs Baby. Sad, but that's how it goes.

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#28 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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[QUOTE="MM87"][QUOTE="RPG-er"]it's a premature baby.RPG-er
What's that mean?

sorry, wrong video. i read the title, i thought it said cobra baby. look it up if you want. but it's really sad.

Still wrong anyway, its actually not a premature its a Harlequin baby.
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#29 dgbiker1
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...the hell with that, that baby needs to EAT, and people are gonna pay to see Cobra vs Baby. Sad, but that's how it goes.
MrGeezer
That baby needs PANTS first!
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#30 gobo212
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.dgbiker1

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

"Enlightened" according to who? The ones that follow those beliefs? Aren't they a bit biased?

That's really just the name for the 18th movement that happened in Europe. I don't use the term with any sort of connotation.

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#31 DeeJayInphinity
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Same can be said for dogs I have been chased by "Trained" dogs while the owner was with the dog. My baby cousin was bite by a so called trained dog.

atoria56
If they're trained properly they shouldn't be attacking you or anyone.. :roll: I've been around trained pets dude, they are quite docile and you can basically frustrate the hell out of them and they'll just retreat. That's a trained pet, not your so-called trained dog.. so don't blame the entire pet population because someone made a stupid and irresponsible call.
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.MrGeezer

This is tourism fueled by western desires to see weird crazy exotic ****. Do you think they do this stuff for themselves? No, they stage this stuff for Americans (for example) who DON'T see this stuff on a regular basis and are likely to pay money for a good show. It's the modern day equivalent of a minstrel show, where a black dude might but on a "stupid black man" act so that white people might throw him a couple of bucks.

Having said that, as cruel as this is, the people doing it are likely dirt poor. And when you're in complete and utter poverty, feeding your kids is a little bit more important than being respectful of nature or treating your culture in a positive light. the hell with that, that baby needs to EAT, and people are gonna pay to see Cobra vs Baby. Sad, but that's how it goes.

Well I see enough exotic crap in my neighborhood lol. Now before we say its for exotic purposes you must also wonder if they do it to reach a higher self along with teaching their kids to be tough,

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[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.MrGeezer

Sad, but that's how it goes.

Yes, that is rather sad.

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#34 atoria56
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]

Same can be said for dogs I have been chased by "Trained" dogs while the owner was with the dog. My baby cousin was bite by a so called trained dog.

DeeJayInphinity

If they're trained properly they shouldn't be attacking you or anyone.. :roll: I've been around trained pets dude, they are quite docile and you can basically frustrate the hell out of them and they'll just retreat. That's a trained pet, not your so-called trained dog.. so don't blame the entire pet population because someone made a stupid and irresponsible call.

Just like your judging the whole snake population. I can make that statement since you say that a trained pet would not do that but apparently they do.

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Just like your judging the whole snake population. I can make that statement since you say that a trained pet would not do that but apparently they do.

atoria56
Where did I judge the entire snake population? I've only mentioned one single snake so far.. As I've stated before, a properly trained pet should not be attacking anyone. :?
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They probably took out its fangs. DeeJayInphinity
I would like to think so. O_o
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OH MY GOD!

That baby has no pants on!

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[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.DeeJayInphinity
A lot of stupid **** is protected under "culture." Just because it's cultural or traditional does not mean it's good or that it should be protected. :?

I agree. Like people who let big dogs around their babies. I mean wtf? Poor baby. Or even worse, people who let babies around ANY animal. I mean wtf? Poor animal.
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]

Just like your judging the whole snake population. I can make that statement since you say that a trained pet would not do that but apparently they do.

DeeJayInphinity

Where did I judge the entire snake population? I've only mentioned one single snake so far.. As I've stated before, a properly trained pet should not be attacking anyone. :?

Well I guess you are wrong then because a properly trained pet can attack at anytime. What we forget is those animals are living beings they can be conditioned to not do something but still decide for themselves that they want to do it.

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Well I guess you are wrong then because a properly trained pet can attack at anytime. What we forget is those animals are living beings they can be conditioned to not do something but still decide for themselves that they want to do it.

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..not a properly trained pet. :| As I've already told you, those dogs are extremely submissive and they have "do not attack person" etched into their brains. Even people can't get away from mentalities that are engraved in their brains, what makes you think a dog can just decide to go against their mentality?
All you're doing is repeating yourself, by the way.
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you have to understand that snake charmers alot of times de-fang then snake
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[QUOTE="dgbiker1"][QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="atoria56"]You can't knock someone in their cultural beliefs the people there have probably been doing that for thousand of years. A lot of people think people over here are crazy for letting big dogs be around their babys.gobo212

My beliefs are born out of the Enlightenment so yes I can knock other peoples traditions.

"Enlightened" according to who? The ones that follow those beliefs? Aren't they a bit biased?

That's really just the name for the 18th movement that happened in Europe. I don't use the term with any sort of connotation.

You may not intend to use the term with any connotation (but saying you can knock other's beliefs implies belief of some kind of innate superiority), but they didn't just call the movement the enlightenment period because it sounded good. As you mention, it was a period of critical revision of belief systems that brought about major improvements. But you have to consider that what worked well for 18th century Europeans may not necessarily apply to cultures in different environments with different histories.

Look at how animals live- just the way we would without the structure we've imposed- and you can see that our morals are really just behaviors that have been enforced since birth. Our understanding of right and wrong is based on arbitrary values that we've been exposed to our whole lives.

Unless one group imposes their morals on another autonomous group, I don't see how what "they" do is any of "our" business and we have no right to judge them.

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[QUOTE="atoria56"]

Well I guess you are wrong then because a properly trained pet can attack at anytime. What we forget is those animals are living beings they can be conditioned to not do something but still decide for themselves that they want to do it.

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..not a properly trained pet. :| As I've already told you, those dogs are extremely submissive and they have "do not attack person" etched into their brains. Even people can't get away from mentalities that are engraved in their brains, what makes you think a dog can just decide to go against their mentality?
All you're doing is repeating yourself, by the way.

Not to mention if a dog does go bad we put it down, not video tape it.
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[QUOTE="atoria56"]

Well I guess you are wrong then because a properly trained pet can attack at anytime. What we forget is those animals are living beings they can be conditioned to not do something but still decide for themselves that they want to do it.

DeeJayInphinity

..not a properly trained pet. :| As I've already told you, those dogs are extremely submissive and they have "do not attack person" etched into their brains. Even people can't get away from mentalities that are engraved in their brains, what makes you think a dog can just decide to go against their mentality?
All you're doing is repeating yourself, by the way.

Omg you really believe they can not think for themselves they are living beings like, I have been chased by a well trained pet people have attacked by well trained pets. What dogs where you around because to me sound like the training was beat into them thats probably why they were so docile. BTW So are you

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#45 atoria56
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="atoria56"]

Well I guess you are wrong then because a properly trained pet can attack at anytime. What we forget is those animals are living beings they can be conditioned to not do something but still decide for themselves that they want to do it.

VacantPsalm

..not a properly trained pet. :| As I've already told you, those dogs are extremely submissive and they have "do not attack person" etched into their brains. Even people can't get away from mentalities that are engraved in their brains, what makes you think a dog can just decide to go against their mentality?
All you're doing is repeating yourself, by the way.

Not to mention if a dog does go bad we put it down, not video tape it.

Hmm thats true but have you heard about the trainer who was killed by his own bear and now they want to kill the bear. What kind of mess is that if it were not for the trainer the bear probably would not be so angry and the trainer himself would still be alive.

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Omg you really believe they can not think for themselves they are living beings like, I have been chased by a well trained pet people have attacked by well trained pets. What dogs where you around because to me sound like the training was beat into them thats probably why they were so docile. BTW So are you

atoria56
I keep repeating myself because you keep spouting the same stuff at me...
What makes you think the dog that chased you was properly trained? What makes you think those vicious dogs were properly trained?
No, you don't have to beat that mentality into them. German shepherds and retrievers are just tiny examples of dogs that can become VERY submissive to the point were you can just beat the crap out of them and they wont do anything. It's their mentality to be submissive and to not attack dude, they don't just decide to go against that. As I've said before, even people get stuck behind mentalities. Take a look at life-long criminals that can't go back into a "proper" life, or religious fundamentalists who will never know a life outside religion. That you don't just decide to go against. Dogs are the same. I never said they can't think for themselves. You continue to misrepresent my argument and it's getting annoying.
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#47 atoria56
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Omg you really believe they can not think for themselves they are living beings like, I have been chased by a well trained pet people have attacked by well trained pets. What dogs where you around because to me sound like the training was beat into them thats probably why they were so docile. BTW So are you

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I keep repeating myself because you keep spouting the same stuff at me...
What makes you think the dog that chased you was properly trained? What makes you think those vicious dogs were properly trained?
No, you don't have to beat that mentality into them. German shepherds and retrievers are just tiny examples of dogs that can become VERY submissive to the point were you can just beat the crap out of them and they wont do anything. It's their mentality to be submissive and to not attack dude, they don't just decide to go against that. As I've said before, even people get stuck behind mentalities. Take a look at life-long criminals that can't go back into a "proper" life, or religious fundamentalists who will never know a life outside religion. That you don't just decide to go against. Dogs are the same. I never said they can't think for themselves. You continue to misrepresent my argument and it's getting annoying.

Maybe if you clarified your point more it would not be misinterpreted. How do you know they were not trained dogs? The dog that I was chased by was a retriever that actually followed its owners every word (keep in my mind that at this time I was only 7) that goes to show that it is not going to listen to everything. BTW No matter what you still keep repeating yourself

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#48 MrGeezer
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Let's put it this way...I'm sure that Siegfried trained his tiger VERY well, and never thought that the tiger would rip his ****ing face off.

That's the thing about animals. One must consider how well the animal is trained, then one must ALSO consider the consequences of being WRONG about how well the animal was trained.

Example. Once I found a website where some people owned a big monitor lizard, and thought it would be cute to take a picture of their young daughter holding it. So I click on the link and see a little girl (who can't be much older than 6) holding a 7 foot long monitor lizard. The lizard's head was ****ing bigger than the girl's head, and its mouth was right next to her throat.

And **** like that bothers me. Because lizards don't get "tame". Sure, they might never bite you. They might even cuddle up to you in order to get warm. But for everything they do that indicates that they are tame, they do NOT like people. At best, they get so acclimated to thepresence of people that they are completely and utterly indifferent. But they DON'T like you. They are not biologically inclined to like ANYONE. They are not pack animals. They are solitary animals that are forced to get used to being manhandled by large potential predators on a regular basis. Some individuals deal with this very well, and some don't. Personality of the individual animal plays a large part in this.

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#49 DeeJayInphinity
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Maybe if you clarified your point more it would not be misinterpreted. How do you know they were not trained dogs? The dogs that I was chased by was a retriever that actually followed its owners every word (keep in my mind that at this time I was only 7) that goes to show that it is not going to listen to everything. BTW No matter what you still keep repeating yourself

atoria56
I know they weren't properly trained because THEY ATTACKED PEOPLE. :|
And you just contradicted yourself. Either the dog listens to its owner or it doesn't. Go to a pet show guy, all of those pets are extremely loyal and most of them would never attack a person because they're PROPERLY TRAINED.
Also, go talk to a temper evaluator.. they'll tell you exactly how you can find out if a dog is socialized. When dogs get aggravated, which may or may not happen often, they often start biting. There are tons of pets who would never bite people and its can easily be proven.
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#50 tzar3
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Let me guess, baby gets bitten by cobra? If so they should of bought a huge boa constrictor to swallow the baby whole, that would be far more entertaining.