I don't get California

That's because they're what we like to call "hypocrites".jubino

I'm not a hypocrite, I vote consistant. :P

Black people tend to be very liberal on economic issues, but conservative on other issues. Ironically, it's pretty much an established fact that the increased black turnout was what enabled Prop 8 to pass.GabuEx

That last part I didn't know.

That's because they're what we like to call "hypocrites".jubino

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Black people tend to be very liberal on economic issues, but conservative on other issues. Ironically, it's pretty much an established fact that the increased black turnout was what enabled Prop 8 to pass.MoonMarvel

That last part I didn't know.

black people are a minority. it needed the support of whites to pass more

That last part I didn't know.

MoonMarvel

Yup, exit polls showed that white people voted against the proposition narrowly and Hispanics were about evenly split. Meanwhile, black people voted for it quite strongly.

What you have to recognize is that it's not at all a given that a person has to be either all liberal or all conservative. Issues like gay marriage and abortion really have nothing whatsoever to do with issues like unemployment and inflation. When black people vote for Democrats, they're doing so out of economic interest, not necessarily for the entire package.

I think it might be due to the large number of Catholic Latino immigrants. Many of them can't vote though, so it might be the increased black vote.

Oh, and then there's the deceptive campaign by the Yes on 8 people.

Black people tend to be very liberal on economic issues, but conservative on other issues. Ironically, it's pretty much an established fact that the increased black turnout was what enabled Prop 8 to pass.GabuEx

:|

How nice. Vote in a black president, and then bring the hammer down on your gay neighbors.

Makes a lot of sense, don't it.

Talk about how far we've come as a nation, while simultaneously destroying thousands of marriages and making gays second-class citizens.

Bravo. :|

Is THAT what we're calling "progress" these days?

Anybody not understand this state? How can this state ban gay marriage but vote in a massive Liberal? Seriously, why does this state vote right wing on lots of ballot measures but left wing in national elections? This state confuses me sometimes.MoonMarvel

Californians voted for Obama and won by 2+ million votes... Just because someone is democractic politically doesnt mean they are liberal morally, these are two completely different things. California is the greatest state in the country, dont be jealous.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Anybody not understand this state? How can this state ban gay marriage but vote in a massive Liberal? Seriously, why does this state vote right wing on lots of ballot measures but left wing in national elections? This state confuses me sometimes.Montaya

*flame*

I knew comments like that were unavoidable. :roll: And I live in California.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Black people tend to be very liberal on economic issues, but conservative on other issues. Ironically, it's pretty much an established fact that the increased black turnout was what enabled Prop 8 to pass.MrGeezer

:|

How nice. Vote in a black president, and then bring the hammer down on your gay neighbors.

Makes a lot of sense, don't it.

Talk about how far we've come as a nation, while simultaneously destroying thousands of marriages and making gays second-class citizens.

Bravo. :|

Is THAT what we're calling "progress" these days?

its not a black white thing. its an old young issue. most young people voted no but the older voters said yes

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Black people tend to be very liberal on economic issues, but conservative on other issues. Ironically, it's pretty much an established fact that the increased black turnout was what enabled Prop 8 to pass.MrGeezer

:|

How nice. Vote in a black president, and then bring the hammer down on your gay neighbors.

Makes a lot of sense, don't it.

Talk about how far we've come as a nation, while simultaneously destroying thousands of marriages and making gays second-class citizens.

Bravo. :|

Is THAT what we're calling "progress" these days?

Makes no sense, funny thing is Obama was AGAINST Prop 8. Vote to ban gay marriage then vote IN people who are for it. Silly.

I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?the_greenzero

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?the_greenzero

Cali is a mess, not even close to a great state anymore. Just look at our budget mess.

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?SupraGT

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

its not a black white thing. its an old young issue. most young people voted no but the older voters said yes

freshgman

Well, it's both. Young voters did vote no while old voters said yes, that's true. But it also absolutely is a black/white thing. That's just a fact. 51% of whites voted "no", but 70% of blacks voted "yes".

Cali is the best state in the union8)

SupraGT

I'll have to agree with this.8)

I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?the_greenzero

I love California, wouldn't want to live in any other state :)

Makes no sense, funny thing is Obama was AGAINST Prop 8. Vote to ban gay marriage then vote IN people who are for it. Silly.

MoonMarvel

Like I said, black people vote based on the economy. You don't have to agree with every single thing a candidate says in order to vote for that candidate. If you did, no one would ever vote for anyone.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?MoonMarvel

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

New York as in NYC?

aside from politics, just examine our culture from SF to SD.

[QUOTE="freshgman"]

its not a black white thing. its an old young issue. most young people voted no but the older voters said yes

GabuEx

Well, it's both. Young voters did vote no while old voters said yes, that's true. But it also absolutely is a black/white thing. That's just a fact. 51% of whites voted "no", but 70% of blacks voted "yes".

That number makes me wonder why more blacks wouldn't atleast be open to voting republican.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?SupraGT

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

New York as in NYC?

aside from politics, just examine our culture from SF to SD.

You do know New York is also a state right?

That number makes me wonder why more blacks wouldn't atleast be open to voting republican.

MoonMarvel

How many times must I repeat myself? :P

Economics. Black people tend to be poor. Poor people tend to vote Democrat. Of course, the whole "Confederate Pride" thing doesn't help either.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?MoonMarvel

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

New York as in NYC?

aside from politics, just examine our culture from SF to SD.

You do know New York is also a state right?

Really!?! :o

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]

Makes no sense, funny thing is Obama was AGAINST Prop 8. Vote to ban gay marriage then vote IN people who are for it. Silly.

GabuEx

Like I said, black people vote based on the economy. You don't have to agree with every single thing a candidate says in order to vote for that candidate. If you did, no one would ever vote for anyone.

What makes you say that? I am half black and most of the blacks I know vote more on a whole package deal then just one area.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?MoonMarvel

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

New York as in NYC?

aside from politics, just examine our culture from SF to SD.

You do know New York is also a state right?

i know that. You say new york is better than cali, but NYC is where everything is at in NY.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?MoonMarvel

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

better weather, better beaches, better destinations, better mountains, better women, I can go on forever

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]

That number makes me wonder why more blacks wouldn't atleast be open to voting republican.

GabuEx

How many times must I repeat myself? :P

Economics. Black people tend to be poor. Poor people tend to vote Democrat. The whole "Confederate Pride" thing doesn't help either.

HA. I said open to it, you know atleast consider it. Like how Blacks used to vote republican then it kinda changed.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?andyboiii

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

better weather, better beaches, better destinations, better mountains, better women, I can go on forever

Nicer people.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]

That number makes me wonder why more blacks wouldn't atleast be open to voting republican.

MoonMarvel

How many times must I repeat myself? :P

Economics. Black people tend to be poor. Poor people tend to vote Democrat. The whole "Confederate Pride" thing doesn't help either.

HA. I said open to it, you know atleast consider it. Like how Blacks used to vote republican then it kinda changed.

the repblican party needs to change its image

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?andyboiii

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

better weather, better beaches, better destinations, better mountains, better women, I can go on forever

All opinion. And it's too hot here, I hate the heat. I miss snow at low elevations.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]

That number makes me wonder why more blacks wouldn't atleast be open to voting republican.

freshgman

How many times must I repeat myself? :P

Economics. Black people tend to be poor. Poor people tend to vote Democrat. The whole "Confederate Pride" thing doesn't help either.

HA. I said open to it, you know atleast consider it. Like how Blacks used to vote republican then it kinda changed.

the repblican party needs to change its image

Bush tried with Powell and Rice.....Blacks didn't buy it.

[QUOTE="freshgman"]

its not a black white thing. its an old young issue. most young people voted no but the older voters said yes

GabuEx

Well, it's both. Young voters did vote no while old voters said yes, that's true. But it also absolutely is a black/white thing. That's just a fact. 51% of whites voted "no", but 70% of blacks voted "yes".

This. Unfortunately, most black people decided not to give gays equal rights.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?andyboiii

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

better weather, better beaches, better destinations, better mountains, better women, I can go on forever

Looks like everyone here is liking Cali.

[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?the_greenzero

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

better weather, better beaches, better destinations, better mountains, better women, I can go on forever

Looks like everyone here is liking Cali.

Not me. I have lived here for 26 years.....Been trying to get out since day 1.

Yo Gabu....stop blaming the blacks yo, it's not giving you a good look.iHeartCali

Yo Gabu....stop blaming the blacks yo, it's not giving you a good look.iHeartCali

Ya! Stop da playa hatin yo! :P

[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?the_greenzero

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

better weather, better beaches, better destinations, better mountains, better women, I can go on forever

Looks like everyone here is liking Cali.

Heck yeah!! Cali is the best state in the nation!

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"][QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

[QUOTE="the_greenzero"]I hear Cali is pretty bad, hmm anybody here who lives in Cali and thinks the same or differently?MoonMarvel

Cali is the best state in the union8)

I beg to differ. And why is Cali better than New York?

better weather, better beaches, better destinations, better mountains, better women, I can go on forever

Looks like everyone here is liking Cali.

Not me. I have lived here for 26 years.....Been trying to get out since day 1.

"trying to get out" LOL exactly what kind of problems are you having getting out of a state? Moving out of state is not that hard.

^^^^^^^

Because I can just up and leave with no money, no car and no job. It's really that easy, just leave. :roll:

Bush tried with Powell and Rice.....Blacks didn't buy it.MoonMarvel

It's not just a token effort that is required; blacks fundamentally believe that the Republican Party is the party of old white guys and that it doesn't care about minorities. For the party to then put up - yep - an old white guy does not help them break that image.

Yo Gabu....stop blaming the blacks yo, it's not giving you a good look.iHeartCali

Who's "blaming" blacks? I'm just stating the truth: black voters caused Prop 8 to fail. That's just a bare truth.