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#1 KaptainKernal
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Ops made another God thread....lawl.

Well i believe in God and thought everyone should know that...'cause if i point a gun at your head (coerce) you will most likely be praying...lawl but here is my long boring reason...wait this is a game website right? well humor over the rest is serious.

Anyway, I believe in a God. I also I listen to Science, I love having evidence to prove and explain things to me, but faith is a belief in a something grand and unexplainable...

While you cannot disprove or prove that the guy really isnt seeing a fleet of hippos give snowcones, you also cannot disprove or prove that something that most people base their live around. Sometimes things that can not be proven, sometimes they are not meant to be proven, doesnt mean it doesnt exsist. Many devote every waking moment to that belief. The belief in something good to aspire to and to seek for guidence is powerful.

While religion has killed many people and caused many wars, the core faith in something has always stood for good and love. All it is is faith. Not even meant to be proven or not, its just how its supposed to be. You could not belief in something that could be simply proven with a test or some experiment. Then it would be belief or faith. Faith in God is always something to aspire to, nothing more and nothing less. Thank you for reading.

While I won't change you and you won't change me to either of our opinions, it is good to share opinions to broaden our knowlegde with others perspectives.




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#2 the_tomboy
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ugh, go away, I believe in no God and u can't change how i feel!!!
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To deny the existence of a Supreme God, would be to diectly deny the existance of GOOD and EVIL. Therefore, if evil doesn't exist please allow me to rape your wife in front of your very eyes. If there is no evil, there will be zero consequenses for said actions, right? Since we have established the evidence for Good and Evil, who determines the line between them? If it isn't God, then who? Now, do you think maybe you are simply DENYING the possibility of a God?
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To deny the existence of a Supreme God, would be to diectly deny the existance of GOOD and EVIL. Therefore, if evil doesn't exist please allow me to rape your wife in front of your very eyes. If there is no evil, there will be zero consequenses for said actions, right? Since we have established the evidence for Good and Evil, who determines the line between them? If it isn't God, then who? Now, do you think maybe you are simply DENYING the possibility of a God? Ineedtofindyou


Who determines the line between good and evil? Why man of course. You might notice that we've made a bunch of laws & rules to follow that vary from country to country according to the dictates of what is commonly thought of as the line between good and evil in that particular society.
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To deny the existence of a Supreme God, would be to diectly deny the existance of GOOD and EVIL.  Ineedtofindyou

Not necessarily. If this was a math equation, your if/then statements do not add up.

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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]To deny the existence of a Supreme God, would be to diectly deny the existance of GOOD and EVIL. Therefore, if evil doesn't exist please allow me to rape your wife in front of your very eyes. If there is no evil, there will be zero consequenses for said actions, right? Since we have established the evidence for Good and Evil, who determines the line between them? If it isn't God, then who? Now, do you think maybe you are simply DENYING the possibility of a God? Lord_Daemon


Who determines the line between good and evil? Why man of course. You might notice that we've made a bunch of laws & rules to follow that vary from country to country according to the dictates of what is commonly thought of as the line between good and evil in that particular society.

If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life. There is no inferior or superior, no evolution or devolution, no progress or regress, no right or wrong, if no god. There is no proof also of earth value, human value, meaning of life, morality. These are delusional beliefs, if no god. I choose the evidences of belief in the transcendent.
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#7 baiums_inferno
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just read the first part. -and no, i would not be praying if u put a gun to my head.
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#8 Ineedtofindyou
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just read the first part. -and no, i would not be praying if u put a gun to my head. baiums_inferno

If anything, I would want God to forgive the guy killing me.

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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]To deny the existence of a Supreme God, would be to diectly deny the existance of GOOD and EVIL. quadraleap

Not necessarily. If this was a math equation, your if/then statements do not add up.

They pretty much do. If there is no higher being than man, man dictates all rules, and there are no absolutes concerning morality, which is a man-made idea since there is no basis for it in nature. Therefore, every person has the right to come to his or her own conclusions concerning morality, hence leaving no room for any universal set of standards.
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*screams* if there was a god the world wouldn't be dieing!!! You can't trust something that did something in the past and no longer does anything now!!! If I go to hell for this... well... my bad but I seriously doubt there ever was a God!!!
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[QUOTE="Lord_Daemon"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]To deny the existence of a Supreme God, would be to diectly deny the existance of GOOD and EVIL. Therefore, if evil doesn't exist please allow me to rape your wife in front of your very eyes. If there is no evil, there will be zero consequenses for said actions, right? Since we have established the evidence for Good and Evil, who determines the line between them? If it isn't God, then who? Now, do you think maybe you are simply DENYING the possibility of a God? Ineedtofindyou



Who determines the line between good and evil? Why man of course. You might notice that we've made a bunch of laws & rules to follow that vary from country to country according to the dictates of what is commonly thought of as the line between good and evil in that particular society.

If no god and death is the end, a life of destruction is as valid as a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity. Maybe it would make more sense to be selfish, if no god. Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and there is no after-life. There is no inferior or superior, no evolution or devolution, no progress or regress, no right or wrong, if no god. There is no proof also of earth value, human value, meaning of life, morality. These are delusional beliefs, if no god. I choose the evidences of belief in the transcendent.



My goodness but you do babble on. Look, I don't usually participate in religious or political discussions as I feel they are a pointless endeavor unless they are discussing things of a more historical nature. People will continue to believe what they believe despite any proof or logic quandries they are confronted with so all attempts to change this are futile. That being said I find what you are a stating rather odd. Almost every sentence has nothing to do with one's belief or disbelief in God.

How is a life of destruction more valid than a life of self-sacrificing service to humanity? The joy of self-sacrifice is its own reward as well as the joy you bring to others. I don't need a promise of eternal afterlife to make me desire to do good.

Only a fool would sacrifice his life if he only has one life and no after life? Why? I don't believe in an afterlife but I wouldn't feel "foolish" for sacrificing myself so that my loved ones would live on. Once again, I don't feel the need for a reward for being a decent human being.

The rest just seems like so much babble to me but I apologize if that offends you. I have many religious friends (including nuns and priests) and we don't let the fact that we have different beliefs get in the way of our friendships and a our basic beliefs of being good human beings. They have God and that suits them, I don't have a belief in God but yet we still all act like civilized rational humans.
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I wouldn't feel fearful with a gun to my head. Once you get over the fear of oblivion, everything else seems of little consequence, so a gun to my head is more likely to get me either angry or happy (though it should be clear this happiness has nothing to do with dieing but the fact that I can give an end some last purpose by fighting).

On the contrary however is the idea that theists don't fear. In fact, they do fear. They fear non-existence, they fear not getting into heaven, they fear god.

I can say without a doubt that when asked whether to choose to say... kill a child or be obliterated by god, that I would choose to save the child without hesitation. In fact, I would have no problems fighting an impossible fight for the sake of doing what is right without limit of what I would give up for it.

To theists, non-existence is an unsettling unthinkable thought and from there lies a catatonic fear. On the other hand I am empowered by a reasoning stronger and more logical than that of religion simply because it's born out of fact than faith.
 
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[QUOTE="quadraleap"]

[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]To deny the existence of a Supreme God, would be to diectly deny the existance of GOOD and EVIL. sahredd

Not necessarily. If this was a math equation, your if/then statements do not add up.

They pretty much do. If there is no higher being than man, man dictates all rules, and there are no absolutes concerning morality, which is a man-made idea since there is no basis for it in nature. Therefore, every person has the right to come to his or her own conclusions concerning morality, hence leaving no room for any universal set of standards.

He said good and evil, not heaven and hell. Good and evil are labels for human traits/human behavior that occur despite what you believe. Thats what I was trying to say.